JamboSteven Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I have a very tall centre defender who I have assigned to attack the near post during attacking corners. My corner taker is set to aim at near post so a lot of the time this defender latches onto the ball and powers a header past the keeper. Now, I have been pretty successful this year, more successful than I think I should have been to be honest. I am currently nearing the end of the season and this defender has 18 goals to his name and is my third highest goal scorer. Some of the goals he has scored have been game winners and has earned me vital 3 points throughout my campaign. I do, however, get a feeling that this is unfair. I have the urge to take this tactic off to bring his goal tally down but then I think to myself, this is not my fault and why should I change a play that is bringing me such success. Am I basically cheating by employing this tactic or should I just enjoy my success? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoopy20 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 for me, it isn't cheating, it's part of the game and depends are you willing to use it or not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilks Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Not sure, but seeing as I have a 6 foot 8 defender I might be changing my corner settings . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Hard one to judge this, some would say this is an exploit others would say cheating. If you feel comfortable using it then carry on using it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 For me, it isn't. It's not like the corner bug from a few games ago (I think), where you had to set everybody else up to lurk on the edge of the area except for one player. Putting your best header on the near post and aiming for him is hardly an unrealistic thing to do, it's simply a flaw in the game that's it's a bit too effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 If none of your other players score on corners, 18 corner goals a season isn't that excessive. It makes your statistics a bit unrealistic, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringwoodrob Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Cheating? of course not!,your a football manager,its a results game,every top manager cheats or should i say"stretch the rules" to win,you dont choose your worst player over your best player for taking penaltys do you lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicha_14 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 For me it isn't cheating your just making the best out of what you currently have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 It not cheating but it is a definite flaw with corners in the game. No way any player could score like that off of corners in real life. I mean imagine how many goals chris samba would have if it were like that in real life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninian Park 1910 - 2009 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 how can it be considered cheating ....... you have a tall player so your making use of him. is it cheating to say you have a guy who has a top ratings for penalties to take all your penalties, no, your utilizing your sqaud to be successfull. people on here are some what fickle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 No, the problem is that it shouldn't even be considered an exploit/cheating. It should be a normal part of FM that isn't broken or favored to you. How is it fair not using corners to the best of your abilities? A team in real life is always going to try and get it to their best player in the air, why shouldn't we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AytchMan Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 No, it's not cheating. However, if for some reason you believe that there is a flaw in the match engine that's allowing you to score unrealistically, then it gets a little more complicated. In that case, I might stop using the "exploit" and report a potential problem to SI. But, again, if you're just using a superior player to win matches, then rock on. As a separate issue, I don't think using "a very tall player" buys you anything. I believe that SI has said in the past that heading and jumping are important attributes but height is irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 will this work with peter crouch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityAndColour Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Well you can't stop the AI if they want to do this. I score more at the far post anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mato Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Cheater!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagakure Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 You are exploiting the weakness in the game. I woudn`t call it cheating, but its not realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Pacino Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Your job as a football manager is to exploit tactical weaknesses you find in your opposition, is it not? You are currently doing exactly that, and thus performing your job well. Short answer: No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hluraven Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 As others have said, it's not cheating - but if you can prove that the match engine is not operating realistically then you should also post in the bugs forum with pkms of incorrect action. I did once see a real match where my team let in 4 in a game, 3 headers from corners from the same CB (tallest player in the league) and the 4th goal he headed from a corner and someone else scored in the scramble. But it shouldn't happen every game or football would end up with one basketball sized player per team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 It's a flaw in the game of which you have every right to take advantage. Maybe even more, considering that in some areas the AI seems to have some edge over human players. However, in my view the actual point is not whether or not this constitutes cheating. Because it doesn't matter. As the owner of your game, you have every right to cheat as long as you are not playing against other humans who don't. Just play the game to your liking. If you enjoy your success more than anything else, then fine. If you get odd feelings for exploiting some unrealism in the match engine and that spoils your success, then just make a tweak to make it more realistic. It's about fun only and you are the sole judge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredric Drum Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Your job as a football manager is to exploit tactical weaknesses you find in your opposition, is it not? You are currently doing exactly that, and thus performing your job well. Short answer: No. It's not a tactical weakness in the opposition, as it happens with every single team. It's exploiting a weakness in the game programming in a way that wouldn't be possible in reality. In other words, it's cheating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
webby Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 It's your game you play it however you want to basically, it'is the beauty of FM the fact there is no right or wrong way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsource Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Why are we even discussing about this, if you set up your tactic that way than its not cheating. It's logical to put tall defender either on near post or far post, but I think far post is better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayIgnition Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I think its cheating when people use other peoples tactics... but that's just how i feel. i admit ive browsed and read the posts in threads people have posted on other sites and people have downloaded other peoples tactics and used them to become unbeatable and see their center backs get 15-20 goals a season. I think you should play the game your own way and if you've come across your own way of getting your defender that amount of goals then go ahead. Your the manager so use your own tactics, wheres the fun in using someone elses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Your job as a football manager is to exploit tactical weaknesses you find in your opposition, is it not? You are currently doing exactly that, and thus performing your job well. Short answer: No. Ok then tell me how many players you have seen in real life score 15+ goals every season from just corners? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSpurs94 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 No, it isn't cheating. You have a tall player who is good at heading. it is completely logical to use him as you are. Yes, it is an exploit, but things similar to this happen all the time. Look at Stoke, they have Delap who has an insane throw. They exploit this to get the ball deep into the box and have scored many times from this. You are making use of an advantage to full effect, just like them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawlore Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Cheating implies that the user is doing something that they should not be able to, within the rules of the game. As many have said, it's not cheating- it's a (long, long-standing) weakness in the match engine and AI. Whether you choose to take advantage of it or not is down to you, as ultimately, it's your gaming experience. It's not at all realistic, I'm not sure anyone's claiming it is, but that's not down to the user- only the choice whether to take advantage of it (ie, "exploit") is, and again, it's their gaming experience. It was one of the hotly-contested points with FML, between users who did/didn't use the corner exploit to get ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philly_flyer10 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I have a 6ft 8" defender that I use the near post routine on and Im only 5th in goals from corners so I dont even see this as an exploit. The ai corner scoring needs to be fixed if Im considered to be using an exploit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredric Drum Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Who cares if he's tall? Near post goals are scored uncontested, i.e. the scorer just stands there on the ground and heads it into the goal. No need for tallness or jumping, you only need Heading skill. And that's the problem. In real life the scorer wouldn't be able to stand there all by himself and leisurely score, he'd have to actually win a jumping duel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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