mmfaria Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 The Rebel MC, I just uploaded a full translated version, so you probably won't have problems anymore. New download links: http://rapidshare.de/files/45775522/Training.xls.html http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WHIHYH41 http://www.easy-share.com/1903861365/Training.xls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Still won't open - it says something about the name again - being too long or something (I've no idea really!) - looks like I'm destined not to get this - bugger! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmfaria Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 You sure you have MS excel installed, right? I know lots of people who downloaded it and it's working just fine What error message are you getting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Watson Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Just hired a bunch of 7 star coaches in my network game so I am dreading to see what they have turned out to be now!! With all this (un-needed) change, does this mean its goin to be harder to get players trained to their PA. With 7 star coaches few and far between it surely means no-one will be as good as when the old system was in play?? Anyone else think this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 It's just called - Microsoft Works Spreadsheet - i have vista premium (don't know if that changes anything!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmfaria Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I also have vista, so it can't be it. Really got me confused now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 When I got the laptop I didn't install anything - I think it was already done - having said that I haven't used the spreadsheet programme before! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmfaria Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 You probably don't have Microsoft Office (that includes Excel) installed You need MS Excel to open this spreadsheet :S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea_pumas Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 The thing is, how realistic was it to have so many 7 star coaches before? Surely the 2 or 3 that there are in each position is much more realistic and representative of reality, just as there are so few genuinely world beating players (Ronaldo, Messi)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsl Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 So it's a nice filtering hell now to find good coaches. Could we get some improved filtering then at least? Meaning a filter like "stat1 + stat2 + stat3 = at least: x". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Äktsjon Männ Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 There should be at least one for each category imo, one to benchmark others by. As it is in my game the only defense coach that would get 6 stars is John Terry who's still playing for Chelsea at the age of 40. Similar with attacking and shooting coaches, there are one or two that are borderline 6 stars but none more than a few points over the total needed. No one even remotely close to 7. If motivating, determination and discipline is regarded this highly then there should at least be a couple of coaches that actually fit under the criteria. Finding one with double figures in each three and remotely useful in technical areas is difficult to say the least. Also, has the attribute fluctuation pattern had a change as well? All my players seem to go up and down every couple of months instead of improving steadily as before. Annoying a bit as they often lose a point in an important area and then gain one in something they don't actually need - getting worse as a player in result when their ability points total remains the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glavata Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 If anyone has found any 6 or 7 star Attacking or Defending Coaches can you please post their names? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonezzz Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 So it's a nice filtering hell now to find good coaches. Could we get some improved filtering then at least? Meaning a filter like "stat1 + stat2 + stat3 = at least: x". Yeah, I was wondering whether that could be done too. If a combined DDM column could be added using a custom skin, it'd speed things up immeasurably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathiu Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Great job AJetsOf! But what about physios? I'm playing AC Milan and on 9.2.0 my physios could exactly predict the time of reviving from injuries but on 9.3.0 they can only tell an approximate time - they say "3 or maybe even 4 weeks" etc. so I'm pretty sure it's because of low "DDM" attributes. Could someone please find a formula which will point to a good physio who can tell the exact time of reviving from an injury? My best physio at this time is Lieven Maesschalk who has Determination = 14, Dicipline = 1, Motivation = 16 and Physical = 20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard76 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 If anyone has found any 6 or 7 star Attacking or Defending Coaches can you please post their names?Thanks! Just having a quick play with genie. In my game there are no 7* attack coaches and only 1 6* coach. There's no 7* defence coaches either. There's 5 6* defending coaches. 4 of those are assistant managers and one is a goalkeeping coach. I'm really hoping this situation will improve with regen coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 It makes sense now, but im still a bit peeved that "Mental Coaching" is not utilized more often. I think like ddm it should be a universal stat because it has to do with every aspect of training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Äktsjon Männ Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I'm really hoping this situation will improve with regen coaches. It won't really, no regen coahces have double figures in all three important mental attributes either so there are virtually no 7 star ones. For a 7 star defensive coach for example all five important stats (defense, tactics, determination, discipline, motivation) need to be 18+. Not likely to happen is it. Basically I fully understand why the system was changed and it's better this way, but the requirements for 7 stars (especially in defense and attack categories) need to come down considerably. There's no point in having a scale of 7 if the highest range is not realistically reachable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard76 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 It won't really, no regen coahces have double figures in all three important mental attributes either so there are virtually no 7 star ones. For a 7 star defensive coach for example all five important stats (defense, tactics, determination, discipline, motivation) need to be 18+. Not likely to happen is it.Basically I fully understand why the system was changed and it's better this way, but the requirements for 7 stars (especially in defense and attack categories) need to come down considerably. There's no point in having a scale of 7 if the highest range is not realistically reachable. I'd be interested to see what the regen coaches/retired players stats look like. Anybody started a new game with 9.3.0 and played 3 seasons?? Can you post some regen coaches pictures??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Äktsjon Männ Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I'd be interested to see what the regen coaches/retired players stats look like.Anybody started a new game with 9.3.0 and played 3 seasons?? Can you post some regen coaches pictures??? 1, 2, 3 That's the general pattern, high stats in some key areas, lots of 1-s and 3-s in others. It's a save started on 9.1.0 and played through 9.2.0 now updated to 9.3.0 though, but I'd be extremely surprised if anything regarding this has been changed in 9.3.0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard76 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 1, 2, 3That's the general pattern, high stats in some key areas, lots of 1-s and 3-s in others. It's a save started on 9.1.0 and played through 9.2.0 now updated to 9.3.0 though, but I'd be extremely surprised if anything regarding this has been changed in 9.3.0. Cheers for the pics mate. Interesting one. I find it a bit odd that the coaching system has been changed but none of the coaching attributes have been altered at all. My post above shows it's impossible on my current game to get 6* coaching in some areas let alone 7* unless you're playing with a world class club. Maybe regen coaches discipline/motivating/mental attributes improve over time??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicko Blaggo Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I'm really struggling with this! More by luck than any (literally any) judgement I have stumbled across Milton Nienow who is a Brazilian GK coach at Vasco. His stats may be random, but second season in he appears to be a 7* fitness coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicko Blaggo Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I'm really struggling with this! More by luck than any (literally any) judgement I have stumbled across Milton Nienow who is a Brazilian GK coach at Vasco. His stats may be random, but second season in he appears to be a 7* fitness coach. Got my head around this now, this really is an excellent post, thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vet Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Thanks OP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsl Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Cheers for the pics mate.Interesting one. I find it a bit odd that the coaching system has been changed but none of the coaching attributes have been altered at all. My post above shows it's impossible on my current game to get 6* coaching in some areas let alone 7* unless you're playing with a world class club. Maybe regen coaches discipline/motivating/mental attributes improve over time??? I agree, seems that's the whole thing's been left half-way a bit. And as I said earlier, what I really want now is an IMPROVED FILTERING SYSTEM!! Is it really a good thing that you have to "micro manage" with the current filtering system for ages to be able to find coaches with needed attributes?? I've always hated that part of starting a new game, when you have to search for decent staff members (especially coaches), and now it's 10 times the job that it was before. Sigh. As for the regen coaches, yes I think that their stats improve over time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylg Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 It won't really, no regen coahces have double figures in all three important mental attributes either so there are virtually no 7 star ones. For a 7 star defensive coach for example all five important stats (defense, tactics, determination, discipline, motivation) need to be 18+. Not likely to happen is it.Basically I fully understand why the system was changed and it's better this way, but the requirements for 7 stars (especially in defense and attack categories) need to come down considerably. There's no point in having a scale of 7 if the highest range is not realistically reachable. I agree that there is no point having a scale of 7 if it can't be reached but you can have just as much success with 4, 5, and 6 star coaches so i don't think it matters too much that there aint a lot of 7 star coaches about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimaso Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I agree, seems that's the whole thing's been left half-way a bit. And as I said earlier, what I really want now is an IMPROVED FILTERING SYSTEM!! Is it really a good thing that you have to "micro manage" with the current filtering system for ages to be able to find coaches with needed attributes?? I've always hated that part of starting a new game, when you have to search for decent staff members (especially coaches), and now it's 10 times the job that it was before. Sigh.As for the regen coaches, yes I think that their stats improve over time. Just download the newest version of Genie Scout. It allows you to find 7 star coaches. It's great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJetsOf Posted March 3, 2009 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 Great job AJetsOf!But what about physios? I'm playing AC Milan and on 9.2.0 my physios could exactly predict the time of reviving from injuries but on 9.3.0 they can only tell an approximate time - they say "3 or maybe even 4 weeks" etc. so I'm pretty sure it's because of low "DDM" attributes. Could someone please find a formula which will point to a good physio who can tell the exact time of reviving from an injury? My best physio at this time is Lieven Maesschalk who has Determination = 14, Dicipline = 1, Motivation = 16 and Physical = 20. I just did some analysis. See my post http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=108548 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyxi Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 tell u guys wad, hire 2 coaches per area. bound to get 7 stars Is this possible? Instead of finding one coach giving you a 7 star training according to the above formula (which is quite impossible), can you then just find 2 coaches covering each their aspect (for instance, one coach have the mental stats, the other coach the coaching abilities)? Because it must be a bit easier to achieve the 7 star training this way... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uppercut Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 no, its not possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Äktsjon Männ Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Is this possible? Instead of finding one coach giving you a 7 star training according to the above formula (which is quite impossible), can you then just find 2 coaches covering each their aspect (for instance, one coach have the mental stats, the other coach the coaching abilities)? Because it must be a bit easier to achieve the 7 star training this way... Doesn't work like that. I have 4 coaches on some areas (had to have all of them on long contracts due to the disappearing staff bug in 9.2, now I can't get rid) and it still only counts the best one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotWordsButDeeds Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Is this possible? Instead of finding one coach giving you a 7 star training according to the above formula (which is quite impossible), can you then just find 2 coaches covering each their aspect (for instance, one coach have the mental stats, the other coach the coaching abilities)? Because it must be a bit easier to achieve the 7 star training this way... I haven't tried 9.3 yet, but in previous incarnations this wouldn't work. The quality of coaching doesn't improve if you simply hire two or more coaches for each area - the workload for the coaches in each area is simply decreased. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavianus[GER] Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 ;2796332']Just a little remark:Defensive: def * 8 + (tac + ddm) * 3 => 11:3 Attack: att * 6 + tac * 3 + ddm * 2 => 9:2 In the most categories the proportion of special attribute training to general training ability is 9:2 Why is the general training ability in the defense category gentrified? Wouldn't it make more sense to set it the same proportion as the Attack category? (Or the other way round) Just quoted myself once again. Anyone who shares my idea? And another question: Is this formula linear? e.g. Defensive sum >=240 4 stars, >=200 3 stars, >=160 2 stars and so on? Or will the gaps increase a little bit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robzilla Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 For those that don't have Excel, I've created an online version of the coaching stars calculator: http://www.zen102391.zen.co.uk/fm/coaches/ Enjoy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iglesia Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I was pretty embarassed by the amount of people who understood and i didnt because i unreal at maths at school lol I'm guessing you weren't unreal at English? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Am I right in assuming that, like players, any coach with a decent/high PA will improve his stats as time goes by? This hopefully would then increase the amount of 7 star coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSGTroyer Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Coaches CA/PA move unlike players'. A coaches CA will increase rather quickly (less than a month) to match his PA. After that, relatively small, and apparently random, changes occur to his PA, with his CA quickly adjusting up and down as dictated. Personally, I believe, especially in light of the recent change (even though the change didn't effect coach development), that a coaches mental stats should slowly increase over time, as they gain experience. But this is most decidedly NOT the case. Certainly, coach progression is something that needs an overhaul. But what? Slow progression to their eventual max? That would mean every 30ish coach would be terrible, and most would be at their best by age, what, 55-sh, 60ish, and then retire. How happy would everyone be if they finally got solid 6-star staff, only to have to turn over a staff of coaches every 3, 4, years? No thanks, not fun. But something's gotta be better than what we have now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOC Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 I have a question about this. I have a coach who gets 206 for Stength/Aerobic and 218 for Attacking. In the coaching section for my team if I tick Strength or Aerobic or both and hover over the rating it's says "Good" rating. If I untick them and then tick Attacking the rating says "Decent". Should'nt it be a better rating based on this formula or does the rating on the coaching screen mean something else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezman9 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Can someone simplify it so something like this: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=61759 The one posted here in so confusing i couldnt understand a thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Äktsjon Männ Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Can someone simplify it so something like this: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=61759The one posted here in so confusing i couldnt understand a thing. It can't be simplified like this because the formula itself just is that complicated. Use Robzillas link a couple of posts up, it's the best way to check them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
celebritykiller Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 You can use the new FM Genie Scout to search coaches by star rating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binny85 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Thanks mmfaria mate! Downloading now. Hope it works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOC Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 By the way the other option for those without excel is to upload the excel file to google docs which works nicely too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7zige Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I still don't get it on these star ratings system, open editor of Meulensteen and still cant find it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudv Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 thanks this is a big help. For those who don't want to do the maths then download the latest genie scout. You can filter the staff stats to see who will give you the required stars Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiggyDempsey Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I got a couple of 6 star coaches and they have dropped back to 5 star, including Moniz Does anyone have reasons why coaching stats drop? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityull Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I got a couple of 6 star coaches and they have dropped back to 5 star, including MonizDoes anyone have reasons why coaching stats drop? just like players attributes sometimes drop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiggyDempsey Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 just like players attributes sometimes drop. There would be factors that you can see that contribute to player attributes dropping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 This is completed stupid that everything has changed. Question. Youth Stats has no baring on youth development? Correct or Myth? Because on another thread people were saying it had no baring. Oh by the way I had to completely sack and rehire my entire coaching staff to get 7 stars after the 9.0.3. patch release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Does mental stat have any affecting factor? Also what about assistants? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeze23 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Great work on the formulas -- But something is off. I have this Coach Rune H. Bundgaard (Den) with ratings of: Att - 14 Def - 15 Fit - 11 Men - 14 Tec - 20 Tac - 20 Gk - 2 Det - 1 Dis - 14 Mot - 8 Your formula says nothing above 4 stars, however in the game I am getting 5 stars in Tac, Ball Control, Attack, Shoot, and Set pieces Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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