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Can you clarify that a bit? Are you sure you're actually scheduling the friendly? I've never heard of that happening so perhaps it's a bug? If it is I would post about it in the bug/feedback forum..

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Started my save but i am having an issue with arranging the friendlies, set everything up ready but it just goes past the date no, mention of them accepting or rejecting it

never heard of this happening you might want to post in the bugs forum.

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Not sure why but when i cancelled the remaining proposed friendlies and arranged them again they was all accepted straight away

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Backup tactics with the same formation or tactics that have different formations from each other? Doesn't a single tactic in the first season limit you or lose familiarity in a match if you change from control to standard for example during the match?

I'm sure Cleon has dealt with the issue of more than one tactics/formation etc. before and will correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, this methodology will still speed up tactical familiarity, just that the more tactical elements you have, the longer it will take (although it'll still be quicker than leaving it all to your AssMan).

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Can anyone else not see the screenshots in the OP?

Read posts #134 & #135 (middle of page 2).

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Started my save but i am having an issue with arranging the friendlies, set everything up ready but it just goes past the date no, mention of them accepting or rejecting it

This seems to happen when you start the season, set some things up, and then save and quit before they go through. It not only affects friendly proposals that aren't confirmed, but mutual terminations of staff, offering out players for sale/loan, etc.

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This seems to happen when you start the season, set some things up, and then save and quit before they go through. It not only affects friendly proposals that aren't confirmed, but mutual terminations of staff, offering out players for sale/loan, etc.

Yeah realised it was after i had done that.

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Did you both report it as a bug?

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Another fantastic thread Cleon. I used this in my pre season and my newly promoted Belgian 2nd div team are flying in the league. We are top of the league half way through the season 5 points clear playing some great football and we were favorites to get relegated. The football we are playing is so much better than last season it definitely has something to do with setting up pre season like you suggest. Thank you

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Just got FM14. Great thread Cleon (and the ajax one), just wondering about the options for resting players before and after a match. By default its set to allow rest before a match and a rest after. Is that something you'd recommend?

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Just got FM14. Great thread Cleon (and the ajax one), just wondering about the options for resting players before and after a match. By default its set to allow rest before a match and a rest after. Is that something you'd recommend?

No in preseason ideally you want them to train every day so you don't waste any time. After all they've just had 2-3 months off :D

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No in preseason ideally you want them to train every day so you don't waste any time. After all they've just had 2-3 months off :D

Ah thanks. So I should turn it back on when the season starts (allow rest day before and after games)?

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Ah thanks. So I should turn it back on when the season starts (allow rest day before and after games)?

I only rest after games once the season starts.

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I've run this a few times in the Beta before starting a save in the full game...really liking the results apart from one thing: I'm having 1-2 players each time I do this suffer injuries in the weight room and miss 6-8 weeks. Is this merely a result of a high intensity training and happens or is it coincidence? I used Barça in these saves, and it was the guys who would probably suffer injuries lifting weights if they did it too much in real life, probably - Messi, Iniesa, Adriano and Alves.

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I've run this a few times in the Beta before starting a save in the full game...really liking the results apart from one thing: I'm having 1-2 players each time I do this suffer injuries in the weight room and miss 6-8 weeks. Is this merely a result of a high intensity training and happens or is it coincidence? I used Barça in these saves, and it was the guys who would probably suffer injuries lifting weights if they did it too much in real life, probably - Messi, Iniesa, Adriano and Alves.

How long did you keep focus on fitness and high intensity? Did the injury happen during this time?

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As the pictures in the OP no longer load, what should the intensity be for the teams general training (fitness)? And intensity for players individual training? Thanks!

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As the pictures in the OP no longer load, what should the intensity be for the teams general training (fitness)? And intensity for players individual training? Thanks!

The pictures didn't really show this anyways and the text that explains this is still there :) high/very high

Individual player training is up to you.

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How long did you keep focus on fitness and high intensity? Did the injury happen during this time?

Just the first two weeks like you have and yes, most happened in this timeframe

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Just the first two weeks like you have and yes, most happened in this timeframe

It's the high fitness what causes it, you could try it slightly lower if its causing you issues :)

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I cannot get this to work for me. I'm always just about half ways fluent by the time the season kicks off. I play 10 friendlies minimum, signing new players brings it down but I stick to 3 max.

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I cannot get this to work for me. I'm always just about half ways fluent by the time the season kicks off. I play 10 friendlies minimum, signing new players brings it down but I stick to 3 max.

Are you resting before or after a game? If you sign a lot of players then it will go down nothing you can do about that. Make sure general training/match training are set to 50%. Make sure you have a coach who specialises in tactics too. Don't change or add instructions etc.

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Are you resting before or after a game? If you sign a lot of players then it will go down nothing you can do about that. Make sure general training/match training are set to 50%. Make sure you have a coach who specialises in tactics too. Don't change or add instructions etc.

Coach who specialises in tactics? I just put my coach with the highest rating in tactics there, but I am not sure if that makes him a specialist? I got everything else you mentioned, not resting before after slider all the way to the left.

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Coach who specialises in tactics? I just put my coach with the highest rating in tactics there, but I am not sure if that makes him a specialist? I got everything else you mentioned, not resting before after slider all the way to the left.

Are you resting after a game though? This is the important thing I need to know and can you show me a list of your friendly fixtures please

That's fine with the coach :)

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And your tactic still isn't all fluid and you only brought 3 players into the club? Where the players bought spread out or all in 1 go? What date did they arrive? because something else must be wrong here because the tactic should be almost fluid if you did all the things you said you did. Got time to upload the saved game and PM me a link for it so I can take a look at it tomorrow morning please?

Edit - Just saw some of the dates properly when I moved to the laptop. Those games that are 2 days apart won't have had training I'm guessing. You need 3 days between the games ideally.

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And your tactic still isn't all fluid and you only brought 3 players into the club? Where the players bought spread out or all in 1 go? What date did they arrive? because something else must be wrong here because the tactic should be almost fluid if you did all the things you said you did. Got time to upload the saved game and PM me a link for it so I can take a look at it tomorrow morning please?

Yeah 3 players, there was exactly 4 days between two of the signings, I remember explicitly because they both needed work permits and I found it odd that one would take longer than the other by 4 days. The last signing was a bit closer to the penultimative player but still played 5 friendlies so late July. I will get you the saved game. Thanks for the feedback.

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Yeah 3 players, there was exactly 4 days between two of the signings, I remember explicitly because they both needed work permits and I found it odd that one would take longer than the other by 4 days. The last signing was a bit closer to the penultimative player but still played 5 friendlies so late July. I will get you the saved game. Thanks for the feedback.

I've looked at the save game and the issue is with how you set the friendlies up. You have 6 of them which was 2 days apart meaning the game was played on the training day. So while you had friendlies the players didn't actually have training because you played on those days instead. So 6 of the friendlies you had didn't have the required training day.

When you set the friendlies up ensure you have a match training day before the next game or its wasted.

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Aha, thanks, that is such a bonehead move by me. I should pay more attention to that calendar on the training screen :lol:

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Cleon, just coming up to my last friendly of pre season (Community Shield). All my players are match fit, tactic is fluid, general training is team cohesion/very high and match training as tactics only.

My question is as i am now starting my first competitive games of the season do you change your general training and intensity level and also scheduling, was thinking, main focus (Balanced) and intensity high and just resting after match.

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Cleon, just coming up to my last friendly of pre season (Community Shield). All my players are match fit, tactic is fluid, general training is team cohesion/very high and match training as tactics only.

My question is as i am now starting my first competitive games of the season do you change your general training and intensity level and also scheduling, was thinking, main focus (Balanced) and intensity high and just resting after match.

If tactic is all fluid then I'd use balance and but match training at whatever you want. I tend to not match train at all but that's just my preference.

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Cleon, just coming up to my last friendly of pre season (Community Shield). All my players are match fit, tactic is fluid, general training is team cohesion/very high and match training as tactics only.

My question is as i am now starting my first competitive games of the season do you change your general training and intensity level and also scheduling, was thinking, main focus (Balanced) and intensity high and just resting after match.

Just to expand a little bit on Cleon's answer...

The recommendation is to use General Training set to Balanced with low or average intensity. In that case, you can set additional individual training for each of your players (for role or specific attribute) with High intensity. Match training can be whatever you think your team needs for each particular game. It also depends on the strengths and weakness of your tactic/formation as well as the oppositions' and if you are playing home or away.

With under 18s or 19s teams, I personally like to switch between focus on Tactics (anticipation, composure, concentration, decisions and teamwork) and Ball Control (dribbling, first touch, heading, technique and flair) focus, alternating each week.

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If tactic is all fluid then I'd use balance and but match training at whatever you want. I tend to not match train at all but that's just my preference.

Why don't you use match training after your tactic is at full familiarity? Don't you have players who complain about lack of match prep? And does your tactic lose familiarity if you don't use any match training?

I assume you do that because you want to focus on attribute training/player development. But maybe there is another reason(s).

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Thanks for the replies cleon and yonko, going for general training balanced and everage and match training to whatever is needed for each match.

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For the life of me I cannot get my tactics fluid before the season starts.

I have put my training on 50/50

Tactics only

Fitness training for the first two weeks followed by team cohesion on very high

Played 10 friendlies against really poor teams and won every game

What am I doing wrong guys?

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Are you just using the one formation or more, will take longer the more formations you are training.

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Why don't you use match training after your tactic is at full familiarity? Don't you have players who complain about lack of match prep? And does your tactic lose familiarity if you don't use any match training?

I assume you do that because you want to focus on attribute training/player development. But maybe there is another reason(s).

No it doesn't lose familiarity unless I bring new players to the club which I don't during the season. Match training only gives a very slight boost for the next game but I find it pointless. My tactics are already strong enough and I have belief in the system I created so I ignore match training in favour of getting the most out of every single player.

For the life of me I cannot get my tactics fluid before the season starts.

I have put my training on 50/50

Tactics only

Fitness training for the first two weeks followed by team cohesion on very high

Played 10 friendlies against really poor teams and won every game

What am I doing wrong guys?

Minimum is 12 games. How fluid is the tactic by time the season starts? Make sure you have actual training days between the games by checking the calendar overview. Also make sure you aren't allowing players to be rest before or after games.

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Usually they are accomplished Cleon. Not entirely sure how many days training I was giving them. Will give it another go with 12 friendlies. Cheers

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Whats the ideal for Individual player training? Should I be focusing younger players on certain attributes rather than roles and the older ones on their role in the team?

Thanks in advance

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Whats the ideal for Individual player training? Should I be focusing younger players on certain attributes rather than roles and the older ones on their role in the team?

Thanks in advance

Read the Ajax thread I did further down the forum. This thread is for preseason :)

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Ok, so I have done as it says and had 12 friendlies and this is where I'm at:

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The only thing I can think of is because I let my assistant take control of the friendlies. I do tell him to use my tactics though so surely that is ok?

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You've either not put general/match training on 50%, not got a tactics coach or have been resting before/after a game. Or you brought in a lot of new players.

It'll be one of those reasons I'm pretty confident of that :)

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My general/match training is on 50/50. I have David Court assigned to my tactic coaching. No rest was given during pre season and I only signed 3 players lol

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My general/match training is on 50/50. I have David Court assigned to my tactic coaching. No rest was given during pre season and I only signed 3 players lol

Signing 3 players takes a big hit though. And from the screenshot you posted it seems like you added or removed some instructions.

If you are saying you haven't done any of this then can you please upload your game so I can take a look please.

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I'm having some problem, I do 50% of match training in tactics but after 11 games, it's just average at max...

I do a lot of changes, playing in 3-6-1 Counter Attack

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Cleon I am unable to view the picture. Can you advice me how to view the pictures. I would like to get abetter understanding about your set up on pre season and the pictures would be a great help to me.

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10 games into the season and only just over 50% familiarity. Anyone else find this or do you have better results?

Running with maximum match training and physical training, then dropping physical training in favour of team cohesion after game 5 or so when the players are fit.

Regards

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It still works the exact same way as in the opening post. You don't need the pictures James they only showed my fixtures and the bars all fluid.

Make sure you have a coach set to take control of tactics in the training catergory.

Set training to 50% match and 50% general training.

Make sure the match training is set to tactics.

You need 12 games to make it all fluid.

Make sure you have training days between friendlies when you have arranged them by checking the calendar. So far everyone who has uploaded a save for me to check made this mistake.

Do not rest before/after a game while in preseason.

Training multiple tactics will make it take longer

Signing new players also makes it take longer to learn

If people are following all the above then it works.

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