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About yonko

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  1. That's fine. Doesn't mean you're right though. You can use creative roles in more structured shapes. It actually creates more space for your creative players and sets them apart from the rest of your team. You can select to which players to give more creative responsibilities. There are a lot more similarities between Sarri and Pep than differences. But you have correctly spotted that Pep gives players their space in order to creates gaps, stretch the opposition and take advantage of that. All his teams did that. Now City take better advantage to some extent because the players are younger and more athletic, more dynamic. Here though we are talking about a 4231 formation that is more top heavy than 4123 that Sarri and Pep arguably use. The 4231 needs more balancing and more carful selection of roles, duties and shape. There is no coincidence that so many FM users struggle with that formation. With that formation you already have 6 players close together at the top by default, regardless of team shape selected. You have to create space and allow movement in order to create a quick passing style of play. It has been explained so many times in so many different ways but people still do not understand it.
  2. And all Cleon and I are saying is that there are many ways to achieve the quick passing game the OP wants. Fluid or Very Fluid shape is not the only way or the best option.
  3. I already explained why is not necessary. I don't think I need to repeat myself. And Cleon added to the explanation too.
  4. DMs with Support Duties? I would go DM-S and DLP-S or RGA or RPM depending on the playmaker I have and the players around him. The defending is superior because the players defend naturally from deeper position even with support duties, especially when using more structured shape, which I know you prefer traditionally. I can already kind of guess what you will go with, but I'm sure you will have a surprise/revelation or two.....
  5. This should be very interesting indeed. Is this going to be the standard 4231 wide - 2 MCs, AMR, AML, AMC variant? Or will it be the one you like with the 2 DMCs and other variants?
  6. Having players close together is not always a good thing though. Pass and move requires space for the players to move in and out of. In your example, Treq, RPM and CF have roaming by default. They need the space to be effective and they will move freely anyway. Playing as Man United the opponents are most likely going to be sitting deep and congesting the space even more. In addition, with a 4231 formation you do not need more players committing forward as you already have 4 very advanced players. Control mentality will contribute to that as well. There will be plenty of options going forward on any team shape with the current roles. Control/Fluid is not the only good starting point, especially with the roles you suggested.
  7. Why Fluid or Very Fluid are better? What is wrong with the other shapes and why aren't they good for "pass & move" tactic? There is a big thread on Possession football.......with a Very Structured shape.....examples are shown for pass and move. Every shape can work with the right combination of roles. In your example for roles, there are 3 playmaking roles in the middle. They need space to operate and two of them have roaming plus movement between the lines. They can benefit from space created via less compressed shape.
  8. I remember that is what you used to do before on older FMs - long term saves with the Blades and writing tactical threads. I think eventually you will get bored and would want to write about something different. It will be cool to see you manage in Italy's Seria A where opponents use various tactical set ups and formations. I believe it would be a nice challenge for you and interesting tactical journey for all of us to follow it. I'm personally interested in your take on popular formations and styles, and how little subtle changes impact them. I find it educational and somewhat inspirational. But that can be said about pretty much everything you write about anyway.
  9. That sounds exciting! Do you plan to do that with other formations?
  10. I think one of the best set ups with 4231 formation that I have seen was by @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! in his Bielsa thread where he used Very Fluid/Attacking style but basically had no attack duty anywhere. He balanced everything by using the following roles: 2x CD-D 2x WB-S DLP-D + CM-D as the 2 in midfield 2x IF-S + AM-S DLF-S PPMs and individual instructions modified players' behavior on the field. Another way is to use 2 DMs in Support duty in Fluid/Control, more tamed set up
  11. I think this will be an example of using the same formation for different style. I was thinking more the opposite - same style achieved with different formation, shape, roles, etc. In FM18 we will have 4 new roles and I heard that some of the existing ones may be revised a little (hopefully the False9 doesn't shoot as often and doesn't drift into channels). Plus I'm sure there will be some refinements in the ME overall - here I'm hoping that the HB role mechanism splits the CBs wider in a back 4 formations. So I was thinking that it will be very educational for all of us to see how the new roles and the existing roles could be used in different ways to achieve the same styles of play as in your The Art Of....series. I keep going to the possession style you showcased in FM16 with Swansea, cause this is my favorite style of play (Barca fan, Pep Guardiola fan as well). It was very educational to see the combination of formation, shape, mentality, roles and instructions. I wonder if you could show a different combination of formation, shape, mentality, roles and instructions to achieve possession football. Just like IRL Guardiola hasn't used the same tactic to achieve his possession style at Barca, at Bayern and now at Man City. His principles are the same - control the ball, dictate the game, pressure to recover the ball, attack and create chances., defender the counter-attack, etc. But he has achieved it, I believe, in different ways, with different roles, instructions, etc.
  12. Cleon, I would like to see you show how playing styles can be achieved using different approaches. For example, in your Art Of Series, you showed us how to build a Possession tactic using Very Structured Shape, Control Mentality with 4-1-2-2-1 formation and certain roles (DM-S, BBM-S, RPM-S, AP-S, F9-S). I would like to see you build a possession tactic with a completely different approach - different shape, formation, mentality, roles, etc. I think whenever you, Rashidi, O-zil, herne, etc., show a successfully working tactic, most people assume that is the only way to play or achieve that style/success. You guys keep talking that is just a lesson and there are different ways to achieve the same styles and concepts. I think it will be interesting to see popular playing styles (possession, counter-attacking, attacking, defensive, geggenpressing, etc.) developed and achieved in different ways, with different approaches. What do you think about that?
  13. When a team is defending with 8 players vs Messi that is not defensive transitions. That would be an example of set defense. My point is that to win a game, you have to score, which means that your attack has to outplay the opponent's defense. If you only prevent your opponent from scoring, the game will end 0-0.
  14. We can go back and forth on the definitions. But the main point is that transitions are the most important aspect of the game, not positional attacks. If you get your attacking transition right, you don't have to rely on positional attacks that much. Most teams focus on the transitional play. That phase of the game occurs most often in games and thus carries bigger important. In addition, that is when teams are most vulnerable.
  15. The only transitions I'm talking about as the most important in the modern game are from defense to attack and from attack to defense. Those are 2 of the 4 phases of the game. The other two are obvious. What you talk about is progressions from one third to another, which is not transitions as phases of play. Still, positional attacks is not the most important part of the game as you claimed. Not all teams use positional attack, in fact most teams don't. But every team uses transitions because transitions are.....phases of the game.....in every match. Hence why transitions are the most important moment of the game. The second most important part of the game is......set pieces. Why would they be more important that attacking transitions? The game starts at 0-0. To win you have to score and break the tie. To do so, your team must exploit and take advantage of the attacking transitions.