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It's interesting reading through this thread, having first visited the bugs forum and noticing the stickied post addressing the current state of the match engine. People seem to be stuck arguing that either: the match engine is horrible and thus they have to adjust their tactics because of it... OR tactics need to be adjusted according to the opposition, which is a reality that people don't want to accept (seemingly). Yes, over-the-top / defense splitting through balls are a problem for the current match engine. SI has declared they are looking into this. The same applies to 1v1 finishing / CCC conversion and calculation. SI are looking into it. Again, reference the stickied post in the bugs forum. Yes, your tactics might be too aggressive in a particular situation, thus lowering the D-Line / adjusting roles or duties / mentality, etc will be necessary. That is not a sign of a bugged game, that is football. I just played a match as RB Leipzig against Borussia M'Gladbach. First 15 seconds into the match, we score with a beautiful through ball behind the opposition D-Line. What did they do? They dropped deeper after that and we didn't score again until much later in the match when they decided to go all out attacking. That is a sign that things are working well (generally). It's entirely possible for both of these things to be true. The ME needs work on some specific areas causing people frustration. But your tactics are also a huge part of the puzzle. Player selection too! (do you have the right attributes for your defense to play a super high pressing game?)

Hi Kyle, I have opted-in to the public beta. Downloaded the roughly 300 MB update. Loaded up my save (backed it up, too). So far so good! I've tried adding/removing tactics and everything is working properly!

No worries! I'm able to play the game just as well. I've been able to keep two tactics loaded, no issues so far. Just don't want to create a third yet

Hello all, I noticed there was a bug when trying to add a new tactic (2nd or 3rd). Here is the exact steps to replicate: 1. go to tactics screen 2. click "add new tactic" 3. click "create own style" (this seems to be the issue?) 4. select formation, confirm 5. tactic appears for about 1 second and then disappears. However the number designating which tactic it is, still shows. I clicked on that number (in this case, #2) and it disappeared 6. Re-did steps 1-5, then got the crash dump. Thankfully I saved just before this EDIT: Almost forgot! Yes, I am using custom images. Cheers. FM 2020 v20.2.0.1323779 (2019.12.04 16.52.59).dmp

Just came here to say I am insanely excited for the Beta. I've logged the following hours into FM... (according to Steam) FM2012 1442 hours FM2013 1735 hours FM2014 2201 hours FM2015 1987 hours + 401 hours on Beta FM2016 Touch 2518 hours FM2017 Touch 1866 hours FM2018 Touch 996 hours + 440 hours regular game FM2019 2472 hours + 88 hours touch (weird how I went from the full game, to touch, and then back to full in '19) That = 16,146 hours... also known as: 672 and 3/4 days. Or, 1.84 years. No wonder why I'm single!

Here's how I would approach that situation, FWIW 1. Dropping the mentality drops risk. You don't want to take a lot of risk when you're out-matched because you will likely get destroyed. You may get lucky, but why depend on luck? 2. Indeed a lower mentality does = careful passing and retaining the ball being prioritized heavily. Much more so than direct, penetrative play. 3. However, if a team is attack the hell out of you the last thing you want to do IMO is give them an easy way out by just hoofing it long to one of your attackers. That can be easily defended. I can't count how many times I've banged my head against the desk because my central defender freaks out and punts it long to a striker who is marked by an incredibly high defensive line from a better team. Instead, what you wanna do IMO is find a way to give more support to whoever is starting the transition. That way you can keep hold of the damn ball long enough so that you can create an actual chance / exploit space more effectively. There's nothing wrong with playing long balls, or "direct" football, but I think asking the team to try more risky passes (like through balls) while under heavy pressure could be a mistake. UNLESS, unless you are evenly matched with your opponent. Then all bets are off. But if you're the weaker team I think you need to first mitigate risk and find a way to gain some sort of a foothold in the match.

Hi Guys, Haven't posted in a long time hope everyone's doing well. I've been playing FM since '11 or '12 and one thing I've never really been able to grasp was the way you can use team mentality to influence matches. More specifically, to use it proactively. As pointed out numerous times before, mentality is basically a measure of risk. But, it also sets a baseline for many settings like how far the defensive line gets pushed, how fast/slow your team moves the ball around, etc. My mistake has always been trying to create a "style" of play that is heavily based on whichever mentality setting fit the bill. This resulted in a lot of "grind it out" type of seasons, even with big clubs / excellent players. It would not be uncommon for me to win the Bundesliga with Dortmund, for example, while having scored maybe 50 or 55 goals. And it's not a surprise considering that most of my tactics are created around the "counter" mentality, or sometimes defensive. I recently started a new save as a long term project with Wolves. And for whatever reason I just stopped trying to be a slave to the name of the chosen mentality. I'm now using mentality like a throttle. Increasing it when we need to take more risk and dominate, and decreasing it when we need to cool things down. And you know what? It's working brilliantly. I just wish I had done this sooner, but I am incredibly stubborn. Do you guys play this way too? Or do you mostly just set a mentality and stick with it? Just curious!

My wish is for the UI to be consistent and working. I don't understand how SI can just leave a major portion of their product broken.

Just wanted to mention that after the winter update the tactics pitch is all jacked up now. Analysis doesn't work. I can't "quick pick" and player roles/duties suitability doesn't show up anymore. Come on guys. This is silly.

Cheers KUBI. This thread isn't aimed at any of the Mods here, you guys obviously can't do anything about these kinds of issues.

I'm a big fan of the FM series. However FMT 18 is basically a huge step backwards, reminding me of FMT/C 16 For reference: please see this post of mine on FM 16: So here's my thing. When you pay money for something, you expect that it is a finished product, unless specified otherwise. Games typically require patches and updates, that's fine. But nothing ever really gets fixed. Or, the things that do get fixed, eventually get messed up again. FM Touch 2017 for instance was quite good. A few flaws, sure, but.. nothing that would prompt me to write a post on here. FMT18 has more issues than a version from two years ago. Just look at the threads here and in the bugs forum. How is that acceptable? The UI is an absolute joke. I don't know if SI farms this out to another firm or whatever, or if it's done in-house but... whoever is doing the UI needs to either retire, or find another line of work. It's shockingly bad. One of the most infuriating things about FMT is the complete lack of synergy between the various screens we use. Adding to that, the amount of wasted space and clashing colors is laughable. FMT "dark" is a joke. But it's the least harsh on my eyes. Views still don't stick. This has been an issue for... years now? The new analysis portion of the tactics screen is bugged to hell. Instead of the proper functioning screen we get in the full version of FM 18, in FMT we're greeted with a pitch filled with bright red squares. The fix? You need to pull up the "filters" tab, and select (then de-select) "hide players on loan." And I only found that through trial and error. The game has put a huge emphasis on players being suited for certain roles and duties right? Well guess what? The mechanism used to display that is broken too! The little circles showing suitability still aren't fixed. It's February 4th 2018. The game was released in November '17. How is it even possible something so integral to the game isn't fixed? Of course the tactics screen is a mess (still), but what about in game? Don't get me started. Widgets are clunky and simply don't work well. Often times it's impossible to re-size them properly, and it's difficult to find any comfortable views. Removing the favored 2D-classic camera was a huge mistake too (and the FM community backlash has proven that). Do these issues prevent someone from playing the game? Of course not. But these ARE legitimate problems that remind me of 2016's release. That's never good when you're finding problems similar to two years prior. I genuinely believe SI have not released a proper game here. It feels rushed. It feels incomplete. And quite frankly, it's a huge letdown as a massive fan of the series in general. I do not have as much time for the full version as I'd like, and it's WAY too slow to be enjoyable anymore. The touch version re-ignited my interest in this series, but it has somehow gotten worse despite getting much better last year. SI, you need to do something or you will lose this customer, and many others. The sheer amount of bugs, glitches and UI issues = an unfinished product.

February 4th and this hasn't been fixed yet. #notafinishedproduct

That's a fair point. I would imagine the winner would be whoever has a view for the game that most closely represents SI's view. And of course it would beg the question: What's more important to Football Manager? Features like "pre-match tactical briefing / medical center / players coming out as gay / etc." OR even more resources devoted towards making the UI and Match Engine as strong as reasonably possible. I'm sure that's a question that cannot be answered. At least not here anyway.

I understand from a business standpoint. I work in sales, I get it. I probably should have explained myself better. I'm just trying to say I feel bad that you guys have to come into a lot of these threads and swat down stupid opinions and comments. That's all.

Genuinely feel bad for the moderators here because I think you guys have to defend the game and SI endlessly. Feel free to delete this post, I didn't intend to open a giant can of worms. I'm just genuinely interested in hearing what people think about this. I'm not interested in debates over when a company should listen to feedback or etc.