talhak Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I wonder when is the data lock for FM17? 1st Sep? If I recall correctly, the date of data lock is independent from transfer window since there may be contract renewals, sacks, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
santy001 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 It varies, not just in what SI decide but also on how well something itself can be researched in whatever window is available. Something may happen before the data lock, and there is an awareness of it, but may not necessarily make it due to factors like not being able to get the whole story straight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talhak Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 I see, thanks santy001 for your comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talhak Posted September 29, 2016 Author Share Posted September 29, 2016 So hopefully - despite the data lock - Moussa Dembele (Celtic)'s superb form will be reflected in FM17. 5 goals in last 3 apps, as total 12 goals in 16 apps this season (so far). I'm hopeful since we benefit the goodness of Steam. Things are obviously not same with the old 'disc' days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I would be surprised if they do that. Early season form isn't usually reflected in players. Might be an update in the February update if needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 2 hours ago, talhak said: So hopefully - despite the data lock - Moussa Dembele (Celtic)'s superb form will be reflected in FM17. 5 goals in last 3 apps, as total 12 goals in 16 apps this season (so far). I'm hopeful since we benefit the goodness of Steam. Things are obviously not same with the old 'disc' days. Unless there is an obvious mistake in any player's attributes, it is highly unlikely that there will be any attribute changes till the next transfer window update Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted September 29, 2016 Administrators Share Posted September 29, 2016 Yeah generally we're quite conservative about making major changes to players based on a fairly limited number of games. Dembele scored 15 goals in the Championship for a side within that league that were much weaker than Celtic obviously are in the SPL. A number of people would also suggest the Championship is a harder league than the SPL (especially for those teams that aren't Celtic!) so his goalscoring record so far needs to be taken in perspective, even if he did score against strong teams in the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallett1988 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I'm guessing things like Mowbray's sacking from today, or Allardyce's sacking, would be easy enough to replicate before release date though. Seeing as these are easy to replicate in game/in editor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talhak Posted September 29, 2016 Author Share Posted September 29, 2016 52 minutes ago, Neil Brock said: Yeah generally we're quite conservative about making major changes to players based on a fairly limited number of games. Dembele scored 15 goals in the Championship for a side within that league that were much weaker than Celtic obviously are in the SPL. A number of people would also suggest the Championship is a harder league than the SPL (especially for those teams that aren't Celtic!) so his goalscoring record so far needs to be taken in perspective, even if he did score against strong teams in the CL. that's it! He is an exciting youngster indeed as we have seen against big teams this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I think it's right to be conserverative on Dembele. He seems to have scored an unsustainably high proportion of his chances so far this season which will inevitably drop off unless he gets himself in the right position more often. Definitely too early to say he's a better player than we thought rather than just in good form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 This is not the place to discuss any players attributes or abilities Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I always start my saves with the initial transfer season off as a sort of attempt at data integrity - it's like I'm picking up before the season with the team just as it was left off without getting an unrealistically duplicated chance at transfers. That being said, I've always wondered at what point the data was locked in - is there not a hard date, say the last day of the transfer window? For example, FM17 will start with Sam still in charge of England as that is how this season began, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Weston said: I always start my saves with the initial transfer season off as a sort of attempt at data integrity - it's like I'm picking up before the season with the team just as it was left off without getting an unrealistically duplicated chance at transfers. That being said, I've always wondered at what point the data was locked in - is there not a hard date, say the last day of the transfer window? For example, FM17 will start with Sam still in charge of England as that is how this season began, no? There doesn't seem to be a hard date. There's probably an internal one where the data is confirmed, but it can be altered after that if something particularly major happens such as a managerial change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, Spurs08 said: There doesn't seem to be a hard date. There's probably an internal one where the data is confirmed, but it can be altered after that if something particularly major happens such as a managerial change. Why should data be altered, though? If something major happens after the season has started shouldn't that be left undone for our go at the same circumstances? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 13 minutes ago, Weston said: Why should data be altered, though? If something major happens after the season has started shouldn't that be left undone for our go at the same circumstances? Not really. I'm guessing the average person who buys FM wants it to be as up-to-date as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 6 minutes ago, Spurs08 said: Not really. I'm guessing the average person who buys FM wants it to be as up-to-date as possible. You want to start a game in July that has the transfer updates from the following January..? Could be cool to start a game in January with the January updates, but... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 The official db has to be locked at some point, but there are third party updates available for any change that has not made it into the starting db. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 7 minutes ago, KUBI said: The official db has to be locked at some point, but there are third party updates available for any change that has not made it into the starting db. Will we be told / able to find out what date / group of dates that lock point is upon release? Would you ever mix and match different dates for different things? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swillo Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 After a quick search on the twitter, last years data lock was 8th October so Allardyce should be gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 7 minutes ago, Swillo said: After a quick search on the twitter, last years data lock was 8th October so Allardyce should be gone. Oh damn, okay then. Maybe in the future we could be given the option to start our saves with a database from the date we start playing, or the last day of the transfer window, or the first day of the season, or the latest possible point etc.? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maw74 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 23 minutes ago, Swillo said: After a quick search on the twitter, last years data lock was 8th October so Allardyce should be gone. Well never even there in his case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 8 minutes ago, Maw74 said: Well never even there in his case. Which is weird, I mean it's strange that the database could essentially erase an entire managerial term from history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I guess the history of both England and Allardyce will be updated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maw74 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 28 minutes ago, Weston said: Which is weird, I mean it's strange that the database could essentially erase an entire managerial term from history. If they have him in database as having been England manager then it will have to be without him taking charge of any games, unless they can set it up so that he is gone after 1 game (67 days). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wwarrddy Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Just a quick question. When were the Leicester players datas updated from last year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dSquib Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I'd guess Dembele's stats were already strong enough for him to tear up the SPL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
userhername Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 On 9/29/2016 at 11:50, Weston said: You want to start a game in July that has the transfer updates from the following January..? Could be cool to start a game in January with the January updates, but... I've always wondered how difficult it would be to generate a subversion of the database that basically reverted any changes before a certain point, say the winter transfer window, so you could do just that. But if it meant hardcoding two different sets of dates for IRL transfers/extensions/hires/etc., I can see why it might not be worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrier26 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Will the early season form of Huddersfield Town be reflected in the player stats in new FM 2017? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 1 hour ago, terrier26 said: Will the early season form of Huddersfield Town be reflected in the player stats in new FM 2017? Data is based upon a longer period than that generally speaking.. there is an evolution in players stats rather than revolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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