Govnar1 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 On a wider scale, managing a top club shouldn't be so easy anyway. If it were that easy, why would top clubs pay so much money for managers like Mourinho when they could get someone from the lower leagues to do it for a fraction of the price? But I suppose that's really a separate issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyh21 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 It will be interesting how "easy" it will be. Purley for info and yeah no point lieing but FM09 it took me till May 2009 to win the Champions league, yes 6 months having had the game! FM10 I won it within a month (probably the most ideal). FM11 was silly, I started with Spurs (i.e. not the "best" team), got to semi in 10/11 (i.e. first time they've started in it), qualified again and won it in 11/12 so yeah it kind of spoiled the game a bit after that. Anyway thats why the STEAM challenges is what makes FM for me since it gives you a whole range of decent things to do in a more official way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris2403 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Im Peterborough United, all ive done with the team is signed Ben Amos on loan, James Beattie on a free and a left back from Millwall, currently with 40% win rate, lost 5 games in the league, sitting mid-table and using the 4-1-2-1-2 we use in real life and slightly more rigid approach than in real life, my players are happy, moral is high and so far my team talks are having a very positive effect. We are sitting mid table, flirting between 8th and 13th with every point won or lost, thats pretty much like real life so for me is absolutely fine. ...Must stress that this is my opinion so please dont flame for thinking different to others... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I reckon when i get the full game im going to try to restrict myself from using too much team talks and see if that makes difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirajzl Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I reckon when i get the full game im going to try to restrict myself from using too much team talks and see if that makes difference. I think it will. Keeping the morale up via team talks and private chats means you don't have to do anything special tactics-wise, just use something decent and reasonable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 What a nickname! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipK Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 edit: wrong thread :o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klyemann Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I personally did not find this game easy. I played the Demo with Inter and recorded 10 wins, 11 draws and 2 defeats... Given the real form of Inter currently, I would say this outcome is far from unrealistic. There were however some weird occurrences like in Italian Supercup against AC Milan, it was 1-1 full time... I ended up wining 4-1 after extra time with no tactical alterations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 There were however some weird occurrences like in Italian Supercup against AC Milan, it was 1-1 full time... I ended up wining 4-1 after extra time with no tactical alterations. Don't know what's weird about that - it happens http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2005/nov/30/theknowledge.sport And this one Most goals scored in extra time, both teams 5, Italy (3) vs West Germany (2), 1970. It may be down to the fact they changed their tactics and it didn't pay off. Or your players were in better condition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 IRL if Atlanta didn't have six points deduced they'd currently be third in Serie A. I know the italian seria A very well, I live in Italy since....many dozens of years..... Italian championship started since 3-4 fixtures only due to players riot, multiple stops to let play the national team and so on...so winning few matches can make a huge difference in the table. Within few weeks Atalanta will come back to the very center of the table, if things will go well for her. Told that, reading all the forumers' feedbacks who reported how easy is the game, are you really convinced the difficulty setting is correct as it is ? I have played few games only into the demo so too few to judge but I have easily won them all. I am managing Gillighan, League 2 BTW. Take care about the fact that who wins 20-30 matches uses a simple tactic with no tweak , just pressing the key " continue " basically. This way , you saw the screenshots, they can win 25 matches straight. I call it bug. If the game will be so easy no one after October will play it anymore, I strongly suggest please to consider it the number one bug, a show stopper of the heaviest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 We LLaMa's fully support you in that:D I'd think that enabling "disable player/staff search" would be quite simple to do as well, guess nobody has ever suggested it before. In the dark & distant past wasn't there a user created skin that done this? Sure it was CM4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted October 10, 2011 SI Staff Share Posted October 10, 2011 Has anyone tried taking over a Man U or a Chelsea while setting the lowest starting reputation for themselves? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I wasn't talking about 20-30 straight wins pressing the continue button - I was indicating the 10-0 result which people were getting excited about, with regards to human wins or difficulty ... as I indicated I'm not active on the FM games development (or QA) personally and my only real experience is hearsay from others and my own game (within which I WISH I was winning so easily, Eastbourne have just achieved promotion for me at the second attempt having imploded neatly during the first season*). Yes, anyway those other fixtures are scary indeed speaking about how easily the human player obtained so many wins just pressing " continue ". Again though - if you feel there is an issue please post examples in the bug forum indicating the team used and please keep the save games/pkms to hand for when QA come calling ... its always our aim to make the games as realistic and enjoyable as possible and we appreciate anything you can do to assist us with this side of things. I deeply trust SI and its employees, this is just the reason I am reporting and I will provide evidence as soon as I will play matches, meanwhile many others have already reported many proofs. *Totally my own fault as well - I can never resist doing wholesale squad changes when I first take over a team, my players must have felt like they were playing musical chairs at times the amount of players who came in and out ... I make Barry Fry look sentimental Mee too , as soon as I start a new game I take 2-3 hours to fire all the stuff and rebuild it from scratch, I also sell 30-40% of players and change them with the ones I prefer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govnar1 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 What a nickname! It used to be a "papucar", but I lost access to that account during the changes in 2008. Since I exhumate the dead from the sewer for living nickname Govnar1 seemed a logical choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashcymru Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I have, although I'm not that far in it. I have won every game (7 in total), but they are games I would have expected to win. Also we are talking 3-0, 3-2, 2-1, 5-2, 1-0 etc.... so not amazingly high scores. Although not sure how some of the above would do it on as judiging by what they have done on the game before, they are far better than me haha! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Has anyone tried taking over a Man U or a Chelsea while setting the lowest starting reputation for themselves? No, but I'm gonna. I'm thinking same fluff as Fm11, fans get upset, outrage and stuff. Players unhappy etc. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Has anyone tried taking over a Man U or a Chelsea while setting the lowest starting reputation for themselves? Thanks Paul to bring the necessary attention to this heavy issue. I only manage LL teams but I think it is easy to reproduce, just grab Manchester and press continue until the team plays 20-30 matches and every now and then put a fresh man as substitute. No tactic, no special instructions, nothing but pressing the button " Continue " I assume no betatester has ever simulated a simple pressing of " continue " botton...... and I can, somehow , understand that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanista. Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 reading this thread it seems like again the AI has been ignored and coaches are as dumb as ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 It used to be a "papucar", but I lost access to that account during the changes in 2008. Since I exhumate the dead from the sewer for living nickname Govnar1 seemed a logical choice. Respect! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Thanks Paul to bring the necessary attention to this heavy issue.I only manage LL teams but I think it is easy to reproduce, just grab Manchester and press continue until the team plays 20-30 matches and every now and then put a fresh man as substitute. No tactic, no special instructions, nothing but pressing the button " Continue " I assume no betatester has ever simulated a simple pressing of " continue " botton...... and I can, somehow , understand that. Just pressing Continue. In FM11 I was managing Barcelona. I had two great prospects in my team. I know they were great because I was cheating and checked out their CA and PA. The CA was high for 18 and 19 year olds. But I had some players that were on the verge of 34 that still had another season in them. I wanted to loan them out - but nobody would take them. So I took over FC Bayern by adding a New Manager. And I signed both of them on loan. I put that manager on Holiday for the season with the two lads picked in the team. Hank Scorpio won the German league that year. Without even being there. I even saw him linked to high profile jobs throughout the season. So yeh, you can take over a top team and not even pick the team and you'll win Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I'm currently 2nd in the BSS with Sutton Utd, currently unbeaten after 5 games. I wouldn't say the game is easier (we blew away a 2 goal lead at home to Eastleigh ffs) but rather I actually know what i'm doing nowadays! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperlz Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I'm finding it very easy to start with, generally in previous versions, you could sail through friendlies but first league matches were real hard to get a win, but this 2012 is a bit easier imo. I'm West Brom, beat Arsenal 3-2 at home and Chelsea 3-0 away, confortably playing 75 mnts with 10 men. Ok, my tactic helped me but it shouldn't been this easy. Uploaded with ImageShack.us[/img] The red card issue has seemed to be a problem since FM2010, it seems to actually make a team play better if they have a player sent off. Something must happen to the morale of the rest of the team to boost them so much that they play better than the 11 men out there. Also having looked at these results, it does appear that the game is far too easy, early indications would suggest that its too easy to get a good level of morale in your team for a human player and this seems to have a huge influence on the outcome of matches. Here is another example of a poor team going down to 10 men and still getting the result against superior opposition... away I remember on FM2011 a team were 4-0 down with 10 minutes to go and got a player sent off. They then we on to draw 4-4. But people seem to think this is not an issue and happens in real life.... rarely it does, but on FM it happens all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperlz Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Pretty easy start to the season for me with Spurs, the morale always stays superb or very good for all my players because its so easy to control it. Running away with the league already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klyemann Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Don't know what's weird about that - it happenshttp://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2005/nov/30/theknowledge.sport It may be down to the fact they changed their tactics and it didn't pay off. Or your players were in better condition? Yeah, I know it happens, but it seemed really stupid to me at the moment. You are probably right that it was caused by the opponents tactical changes, but still, who in the sound mind risk so much, that leaves the defense totaly open in the extra time of a cup final? Not saying its an unrealistic scenario, just very unlikely at this level. reading this thread it seems like again the AI has been ignored and coaches are as dumb as ever. This! I couldn't agree with you more! I was really frustrated in FM2011 and FM2010 with the lack of any detectable AI. Each time I played Jose Mourinho would fail miserably. In 2010 with Inter and in 2011 with Real, getting fired before January. And he always took over Portugal after that. I just wish that manager ability would have ANY INFLUENCE AT ALL on the success of a team. I really hate seeing high profile managers act like total amateurs, spending tons of money on players they don't need and loosing matches like on purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loversleaper Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I know I didn't impress anyone with the Atlanta save where I only lost 1 game in 16 league games, only using 1 tactic and being Danish nationality. So, how about this Wolves game I just played: Wolves media prediction 17th Transfers in & out: By loversleaper at 2011-10-10 Without breaking a sweat: By loversleaper at 2011-10-10 I was in 2nd place most of the time but lost a little form when suspensions and injuries hit some key areas... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashcymru Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Well I am off to do an experiment then, gonna play as Swansea, one formation, no rep etc.... back with results soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMOZZA Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I've found the demo seems a bit easier the last couple of years. But I think that's because I know I've only got half a season to play and I don't have to worry about long term financial issues and I sign players for ridiculous fees spread over 4 years Which of course I wouldn't do when playing the full game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Well I am off to do an experiment then, gonna play as Swansea, one formation, no rep etc.... back with results soon I'm interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loversleaper Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Here's the fixture list from my latest game with Wolves (still no transfers what so ever): By loversleaper at 2011-10-10 I was most of the time in 2nd place and would still be there if I hadn't lost this game: By loversleaper at 2011-10-10 Am also in the Semi-final of League Cup against Sunderland after thumping Man C 4-0 away from home... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Here's the fixture list from my latest game with Wolves (still no transfers what so ever): By loversleaper at 2011-10-10 I was most of the time in 2nd place and would still be there if I hadn't lost this game: By loversleaper at 2011-10-10 Am also in the Semi-final of League Cup against Sunderland after thumping Man C 4-0 away from home... But i thought it was only easy with big clubs, not teams that just survived by the narrowest of margins last season. The feeling of achieving success and discussing tactics in this game is going to go really downhill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashcymru Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Well I was going to play longer than this but got what I needed I think LEAGUE 1 - 1 vs. Everton (H) 0 - 7 vs. Arsenal (A) 1 - 1 vs. Chelsea (H) 0 - 1 vs. Wolves (A) LEAGUE CUP 2 - 0 vs. Leyton Orient (H) This is about my normal standard in football manager but to be honest if I was playing it my way properly the only difference I could maybe see is we could have beaten Everton. In both the Wolves and Chelsea match they were all over me. Maybe it is my crapness, however I cannot see any easy win scenario here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roady99 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I know I didn't impress anyone with the Atlanta save where I only lost 1 game in 16 league games, only using 1 tactic and being Danish nationality. So, how about this Wolves game I just played:Wolves media prediction 17th Transfers in & out: By loversleaper at 2011-10-10 Without breaking a sweat: By loversleaper at 2011-10-10 I was in 2nd place most of the time but lost a little form when suspensions and injuries hit some key areas... To be fair wolves dont have a bad squad, And on my save game even the AI is close to what you have done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loversleaper Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 To be fair wolves dont have a bad squad, And on my save game even the AI is close to what you have done. Well, I haven't done much at all... By the way, your point is...? :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 It's only a media prediction. Here's a real media prediction from 2009 - 2010 Media/Reality 1. Chelsea/ Chelsea 2. Man U/ Man U 3. Liverpool/Arsenal 4. Arsenal/Spurs 5. Everton/Man City 6. Spurs/Villa 7. Villa/Liverpool 8. Man City/Everton 9. Fulham/Birmingham 10. Wigan/Blackburn 11. W Ham/Stoke City 12. Sunderland/Fulham 13. Blackburn/Sunderland 14. Bolton/Bolton 15. Stoke/Wolves 16. Birmingham/Wigan 17. Burnley/ West Ham 18. Wolves/Burnley 19. Hull /Hull 20. Portsmouth/Portsmouth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roady99 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Well, I haven't done much at all... By the way, your point is...? :confused: My point was, As with Atlanta, Wovles being 4th in the game isnt really much of a bug either, You have still created one tactic, Still lost 5times in 19 games, And as said before there squad is pretty decent, And if the AI can acheive 7th, Then i expect a human would beable to acheive better. Edit: Sorry wrong quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roady99 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 But i thought it was only easy with big clubs, not teams that just survived by the narrowest of margins last season. The feeling of achieving success and discussing tactics in this game is going to go really downhill. A) Can i see Man Citys teamsheet for that game, As i highly assume that they played reservers, B) You have still lost games i would have expected you to lose, And if you go by Wolves this season, They have improved massively albeit a slump at the moment, Im sorry but saying youre doing well with wolves in hardly overacheiving in my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 A) Can i see Man Citys teamsheet for that game, As i highly assume that they played reservers, B) You have still lost games i would have expected you to lose, And if you go by Wolves this season, They have improved massively albeit a slump at the moment, Im sorry but saying youre doing well with wolves in hardly overacheiving in my opinion that wasn't me as wolves, i just quoted it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roady99 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 that wasn't me as wolves, i just quoted it. Yeah i do apologise , Sorry bud, But yeah i did quote him too, Im sorry but to say he overacheived with Wolves, Is pure tripe as i say many a times, They actually do have a good team, And with a decent tactic i can easily see them make top 4 in game, Even on my save the AI has them in 7th, Its hardly a overacheivement in my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Agree to disagree, i don't think Wolves should be in 2nd at that point with such ease though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roady99 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Agree to disagree, i don't think Wolves should be in 2nd at that point with such ease though. To me it says they are 4th.... And to top this off, I do feel playing with small database has a big impact on the AI, I wouldnt take any of this until the full game comes out, As with small database there is less talent for the AI to acrew and if you play in europe most teams are playing with greys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Do you agree guys this bug must be fixed immediately the day after the release ? Who can have fun if pretty much every match is won in a so easy way ????????????????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roady99 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Do you agree guys this bug must be fixed immediately the day after the release ?Who can have fun if pretty much every match is won in a so easy way ????????????????? I dont agree that there is a bug at all, Im currently testing Wolves for 6months with my manager rep as sunday league no changes done to the standard 442 no signings no nothing we will see if there is this *Bug* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 To me it says they are 4th....And to top this off, I do feel playing with small database has a big impact on the AI, I wouldnt take any of this until the full game comes out, As with small database there is less talent for the AI to acrew and if you play in europe most teams are playing with greys. My bad, thought he said 2nd. You might be right about small database. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Just pressing Continue.So yeh, you can take over a top team and not even pick the team and you'll win I consider that a tremendous show stopper, who can have fun if almost every match is won in a so easy way ????????????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I dont agree that there is a bug at all, Im currently testing Wolves for 6months with my manager rep as sunday league no changes done to the standard 442 no signings no nothing we will see if there is this *Bug* How can you disagree if your tests are still to be done ??? Then, assuming the manager reputation is changing the fate in a dramatically way, that would be a huge bug as well, don't you agree ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I don't think bug is the right term for this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roady99 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 How can you disagree if your tests are still to be done ???Then, assuming the manager reputation is changing the fate in a dramatically way, that would be a huge bug as well, don't you agree ? My tests are almost complete and i can state now, Although i have won a few matches its hardly something to shout *Bug* over ill post screenies in a min! This is not a bug, As i stated during this im using a standard 4-4-2 sunday rep manager, With no team talks or press conferences basically all im doing is picking the team and pressing continue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Winning is obviously an important part. But the challenge with a big club is finding top players to replace the retiring ones. I never stop getting excited about youth prospects. I'll do everything I can to have top U18 and top Reserve team built with youth players. That's where I normally concentrate on when managing big teams. I take it as a given that I'll be a title challenger and do well in Europe. If I win the league great, if not then champs league spot will do. If I win in Europe, great, if not there's always next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loversleaper Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 A) Can i see Man Citys teamsheet for that game, As i highly assume that they played reservers, B) You have still lost games i would have expected you to lose, And if you go by Wolves this season, They have improved massively albeit a slump at the moment, Im sorry but saying youre doing well with wolves in hardly overacheiving in my opinion Of course you may. Here is the EPL league game teamsheet: By loversleaper at 2011-10-10 And here is the League Cup match (note that my team also has 4 regular starters not in the lineup, 3 of them in defense...): By loversleaper at 2011-10-10 Hope you can use them for something... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Well if you're not using team talks that would explain the results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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