Rafalution Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 hate ****** underhand stuff like that, puts me off the whole thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Totally agree as gullible people like my fine self fall for it all the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Defoe has came out and said that he needs to play regular football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipidus Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 hate ****** underhand stuff like that, puts me off the whole thing Just trivialised the whole issue.I have already signed it, but I know my immediate thought was "what is this? this isnt about cavani?" and i went to shut the window. add into that most non-liverpool fans will be even quicker to shut the tab given theyll likely not know of the plight of the family, nor care about the official site, and its a thin line between pulling people into sign it and pushing them away. a simple: "heres a worthy cause. please sign this petition", would have sufficed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Or someone who's suffered a huge injury, RVNThis can be twisted to suit whatever agenda you need Congrats on proving the point I was making, reading is hard. Defoe has came out and said that he needs to play regular football. Not good enough for us. Chance conversion rate is low, goals per minutes played is low. Simple as. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Congrats on proving the point I was making, which was? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 That players can be hit and miss no matter where you buy them from? How was that not obvious? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 because nobody said anything to the contrary, so i've no idea why you'd make it the point is that we are focusing on buying EPL talent, when better talent is available for cheaper from abroad, and so far it's turned out pretty badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Yes, your sarcasm wasn't inferring that in the slightest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 see my edit, my sarcasm wasn't inferring at all that players from abroad can't also be hit and miss, it was about a separate point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 ive been thinking over the last few weeks and as it seems kenny is reluctant to buy a new striker (even tho we're linked with anyone and everyone) why dont we give maxi a try up front? i'll be honest now and at a risk of getting flamed, im not maxi's biggest fan. i think he's been awful for us in most things that arent centred around the opposition box, its all well and good saying he scores goals but its the fundamentals he gets wrong in midfield the unseen things that go unnoticed that costs us and i believe thats why he doesnt get games. so why not lose that part of his game and put him upfront where he has no other responsibilities other than make runs and score goals which we all know he does well? hes the type of partner carroll needs with his movement and intelligent runs that will create space for carroll to do somthing in. just a thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 He could certainly play just off Carroll, and I'd be happy to see him there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Not good enough for us. Chance conversion rate is low, goals per minutes played is low. Simple as. His goal per minutes this season is 117, not many are ahead of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Actually believe Maxi has been involved in pretty much all of our good football this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 His goal per minutes this season is 117, not many are ahead of him. Last 2 seasons, Defoe's success rate on converting "clear chances" according to EPL index is 1 in 16. That's a 6% rate. 30 years old. Over his career averages one in three. Not good enough, certainly not worth the cash. Plenty better value elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Yeah I'd be pretty pissed off if we signed Defoe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Actually believe Maxi has been involved in pretty much all of our good football this year. thats what im saying tho, hes been great in and around their box but not so much on the rest of the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 6% when your arbitrary cut off point includes his worst season to date, even then it's a similar figure to the great Luis Suarez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 thats what im saying tho, hes been great in and around their box but not so much on the rest of the pitch. does that really matter, given how awful everyone else is in and around the box? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 yes it does! otherwise why change anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 why change anything from our under-performing in the box team by adding a player who is great in the box? is that a serious question? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 you misunderstand me, i was asking you the question. i obviously do think we need to change something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 ah, i think my and emerson's point is more that maxi is worth playing even in his old role, he was involved so much with everything that the drawbacks didn't matter. with Gerrard back I'd like to see both of them playing in attacking positions behind Carroll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 yeh, agree with Rafa. Would love Bellers , Maxi and Gerrard getting a game together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 ---- Spearing ---- Adam ---- Maxi ------- Gerrard ------ Bellers --- ----------- Carroll ----------- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 fair enough, i agree in part, i thought it should have bin gerrard behind kuyt on sat but like i said earlier i dont think maxi is gonna get the chance to play in midfield much so why not utilise his strengths up top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northeu Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 What are the little things that maxi doesn't do ? The only things you can be critical is maybe physically he's a bit sub-par and not blessed with a great engine or pace, other than that he's no worse than the players ahead of him and certainly better in front of goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 i think you may have a point, he seems to have lost half a yard just like joe cole and it shows him up in midfield, he just seems to be a bit behind the pace of the game for me with his positioning and awareness and only really offers anything in and around the 18 yard box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipidus Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 The lack of Maxi lately is mystifying. He is fairly unique in our squad in terms of his movement and ability in tight situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 i think you may have a point, he seems to have lost half a yard just like joe cole and it shows him up in midfield, he just seems to be a bit behind the pace of the game for me with his positioning and awareness and only really offers anything in and around the 18 yard box. He is probably rusty from the lack of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Suso > Carroll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Crouch > Carroll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Carol > Carroll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Read a good article the other day about how its maybe time we start to look within our own setup for players to emerge. Would like to find it again. Anyone here able to comment on reverse team games and youth setup as I certainly haven't seen enough to say x player will make it etc but the likes of Coady, Suso and Sterling all seem excellent prospects who I would like to see get more game time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 TonyBarretTimes Tony Barrett Young players at #EFC have been more physically ready than those at #LFC over last decade. Rooney, Rodwell, Barkley etc. 4 hours ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 The 'etc' on that Tweet doesn't actually mean anything, though, does it. Can't name a fourth player to add to that list. That's not a defence of our academy players, btw, just picking up on an inaccurately snidy comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 So 3 players then in 10 years 2 of which are nothing special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Would help if we'd had many through, but Spearing and Kelly certainly don't seem light weights. Not really sure which Liverpool players he's referencing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 I'd love to see Coady get some time too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Would help if we'd had many through, but Spearing and Kelly certainly don't seem light weights. Not really sure which Liverpool players he's referencing.Yeah, Martin Kelly could smash all three of them, what's he talking about? Edit: Spearing would kick them while they were down, then spit on and walk away laughing in his shellsuit and drinking a bottle of cheap cider. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipidus Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Coady apparently not up to it physically yet, especially given his position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 The 'etc' on that Tweet doesn't actually mean anything, though, does it. Can't name a fourth player to add to that list.That's not a defence of our academy players, btw, just picking up on an inaccurately snidy comment. James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Francis Jeffers, Tony Hibbert and Leon Osman(bit unsure on that tbf.) **** at football maybe but physically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Anichebe I'll give you, but Vaughan's ligaments snap going up escalators. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Just some payers that have made it from the youth team to the first team. Not sticking up for him just pointing out some of the other players he could have been on about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northeu Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 A quick look at Transfer markets Young talents bit shows we have the same number of Former youth team players currently registered at Premier league clubs as Manchester united. I'm assuming its pretty much spot on admittedly but it shows our youth system isn't as bad as people sometimes make out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminpeter Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I'd argue it may have been easier to get into Everton's 1st team than Liverpool's in the last 10 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I'd argue it may have been easier to get into Everton's 1st team than Liverpool's in the last 10 years. Very good point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Why aren't we showing signs of buying anyone yet? We clearly need at least 3 players if we're to challenge for 4th ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminpeter Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Very good point. Furthermore, how many of our former youth players are now in Premiership first teams? Zak Whitbread, Adam Hamill (granted not regular starter atm), Daniel Ayala are just 3 off the top of my head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipidus Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Guthrie. Danny Murphy too i guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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