Mr Hough 10.3 Tactics

[Analapfelstrudel]

btw the two wide strikers are playing like wingers the most time. It seems a little like watching Barca, the wide going ones can play through the middle or along the wings an do crosses, so even if there aren't "wingers" on the "paper", they are on the pitch

[andrjam48]

I wish there was a tactic like this which had wingers AMAZING tactic, however feels a tad unrealistic. Take nothing away from Mr Hough though

Mate all you have to do if you want to play a 451 is move the left striker into the aml position and the same with the right striker

Possibly lower the mentality of the fullbacks and closing down as they wont be needed so much to provide the width up and down the flanks as you will have amr/l`s there patrolling

One other thing if you do try it out ive found that the main problem with conceeding goals is an attacker in the middle feeding a trough ball between your strikers so maybe remove tight marking off your back four

Lower the closing down of the DM to around 7 clicks to counter this problem as he will form a barrier in front of your back line

If the opposing teams fullbacks are causing your grief get your wingers to man mark them

If the opposing teams wingers are causing you grief then get your fullbacks to man mark them

Do the same if your using it as the origin tactic aswell

[Sammie B]

For the centre midfielder with in mind they are Centre Midfielders with an Attacking role how important is the tackling attribute in the filter? Because if they are set to attack then surely this shouldnt be important and would mean many world class centre mids wouldnt be suitable e.g. xavi, sneijder

[Crewe_Alex]

Thanks. Dirtyace who is testing these tactics? Cant wait

[UAF_85]

Someone should upload a tweaked 451 wingers, based on houghs 10.3...

[NeJebi]

hi mr plough...

ahahah, oh man, still laughing

[andrjam48]

Someone should upload a tweaked 451 wingers, based on houghs 10.3...

theres no need for anything to be uploaded really all the information needed to alter it to a 451 or 442 has been posted its a 433 tactic so its not really far off 451 as such anyway mate.

[gcs]

just tried 4-4-2, as TBH said working really good

edit: due pm's

Hope, I didnt miss anything

[UAF_85]

just tried 4-4-2, as TBH said working really good

Could you provide me with a list of tweaks and positional instructions pleasE?

[Mr Hough]

Next tactic will be a 4-1-2-1-2 with an AMC, I was gonna have a look at a winger tactic but that seems to be sorted now so it's a 4-1-2-1-2 for now.

[UAF_85]

just tried 4-4-2, as TBH said working really good

edit: due pm's

Hope, I didnt miss anything

Thank you,

How are your results especially against bigger teams?

And I forgot to ask, which version of Houghs tactic is this twea for? the unbeaten one or the other one?

[Mr Hough]

here are some results with my new 4-1-2-1-2 tactic.

These are the 2 best results.

In the Levski game i also missed 2 pens.

I'll be testing this over the weekend so don't bother asking for it yet.

[NeJebi]

oh yeah , can't wait for an ''ultimate'' 4-1-2-1-2, since FM10 it became my fav formation

Keep it up Mr. Plough

[trueskyblue]

Absolutely brilliant tactic, I'm playing as Coventryand just won 9 - 1 :o

[Kugle]

When will the 4-1-2-1-2 be uploaded?

[Mr Hough]

When will the 4-1-2-1-2 be uploaded?

after the weekend i've alkready said that.

[Kugle]

Aight, looking forward to it.

Didnt really bother to read that many posts :/

[gcs]

Thank you,

How are your results especially against bigger teams?

And I forgot to ask, which version of Houghs tactic is this twea for? the unbeaten one or the other one?

Won league with udinese 1st season, sry not ss coz of new pc. Sanchez and Pepe (winger role,both)were insine on wings highest rates in league. Also my TM was complete forward role btw. Rest same as TBH's.

And i used newest wizard one (mrh + jpwoody final or something)

[leWizard]

Wow Mr. Hough, great results. I used your old Complete Dominance 10.2 and results were good against smaller teams but not so against the bigger ones. Good to hear a new one coming out.

Thanks and KUTGW!

[Mr Hough]

Slightly off topic but just installed windows 7 YAY

[DirtyACE]

Slightly off topic but just installed windows 7 YAY

Welcome to 2010! Hope you enjoy your stay

[Puke]

Hey Mr. Hough, what version do you think is the best to play with?

[hamzarie]

here are some results with my new 4-1-2-1-2 tactic.

These are the 2 best results.

In the Levski game i also missed 2 pens.

I'll be testing this over the weekend so don't bother asking for it yet.

At last... the time have come.... lol

[Mr Hough]

Welcome to 2010! Hope you enjoy your stay

lmao thanks

[Mr Hough]

Hey Mr. Hough, what version do you think is the best to play with?

I'd download my final unbeaten tactic and my JP woody collaberation, There the 2 best tactics i feel and you can find all the infomation and you need as well as the tactics in the opening post of this thread.

[Puke]

Ok sir. I just can't wait for your 4-1-2-1-2 tactic! I just finished my 1st season as Man City using your final tactic update and we won the double!(League Cup and Prem) Thanks for making these wonderful tactics!

[Mr Hough]

currently installing FM10 back on my pc so no gametime for me for a while.

[polistus]

Mr Hough, you really have a talent for creating superb tactics. I have had great results with the Classic tactic months ago, now starting again with a new game and will try your last tactic from 24 May.

[Petros79]

seriously i am going to wait all the weekend for mr Hough 4-1-2-1-2 tactic this weekend as promised (i am not fun of this 4-1-2-3 tactic) go on mr Hough suprise us although for this year i am really disappointed due to the fact that all the really good tactics this year have no wingers which is bad as you can not work with some really good palyers (such us ribery and robben for example)

[Puke]

^ Hahaha, same here. I would wait all weekend just for the update. I'll pause my current save and wait for the new tactic. I think the tactic is really, really good because we don't get to use those expensive wingers.

[Analapfelstrudel]

Well you could try learn them another position (most likely to forwards) so you can use them as wide strikers, but it needs a bit of time, mainly if they can't play forwards at all.

Have done this with several players like Nani and it worked good as he had the right attributes (but for the wide strikers most of the really good wingers do have)

[nigh4tmare]

About 4-4-2 formation. I've got better results with first JP/Mr 4-1-2-3 tweaked tactic. I also implement:

Players roles:

* M/RL - Wide midfielder, attack

* FC/R - Target man, support

* FC/L - Deep lying forward, attack

Team instructions:

* Defensive line - two notches up

* Width - one notch up

Corner routine:

* FC/R - Attack far post

* FC/L - Attack ball from deep

* DC/R - Challenge keeper

* DC/L - Attack near post

edit: swithed striker roles, much more effective.

[caddos]

About 4-4-2 formation. I've got better results with first JP/Mr 4-1-2-3 tweaked tactic. I also implement:

Players roles:

* M/RL - Wide midfielder, attack

* FC/R - Target man, attack

* FC/L - Deep lying forward, support

Team instructions:

* Defensive line - two notches up

* Width - one notch up

Corner routine:

* FC/R - Attack far post

* FC/L - Attack ball from deep

* DC/R - Challenge keeper

* DC/L - Attack near post

upload please

sorry my English the google

[Ernest166]

night4mare,and what results did you get ? if it's good could you upload it ?

[TheBetterHalf]

night4mare,and what results did you get ? if it's good could you upload it ?

upload please

sorry my English the google

Without knowing Mr H, I would suggest that you await his permission before uploading tweaks of his tactic into his thread. Better then to use the pm function, both when when asking for the tactics and when providing them.

[info0]

To Mr Hough or anyone with tactical FM knowledge... This tactic is v. good, but I do have a question.

I have a test game going on where I have limited AI to use only 1 tactic (4411 to be specific). Now if someone tells me it will make game easier... It's the opposite case actually. The AI using one tactic can find a way to exploit your tactic way faster then when rotating all tactics .

Mr H tactic works ok against it for 3 months then it struggles . I wonder if a counter tactic to 4411 can be made.

And no I don't want to win 100% of games. I would say 60-80% would be adequate here.

[nigh4tmare]

Without knowing Mr H, I would suggest that you await his permission before uploading tweaks of his tactic into his thread. Better then to use the pm function, both when when asking for the tactics and when providing them.

Agree with that, at least it's fair play.

p.s. tested with Bayern original team. Won Bundesliga and German Cup without loosing. Lost to Real Madrid in CL Final by 95 minute goal.

[Steve04]

Thanks Mr. Hough. Keep posting this kind of valuable threads.

[mikcheck]

Mr Hough have you ever tried to play with zonal marking instead man marking ? I also did a season with juventus. Scored alot but conceded more than you did. I notice that alot of times opp players easily pass my defenders when they are really close to them. But still, not a bad season:

http://serv9.enterupload.com/i/00250/3ep2923uv6yt.jpg

[Mr Hough]

About 4-4-2 formation. I've got better results with first JP/Mr 4-1-2-3 tweaked tactic. I also implement:

Players roles:

* M/RL - Wide midfielder, attack

* FC/R - Target man, attack

* FC/L - Deep lying forward, support

Team instructions:

* Defensive line - two notches up

* Width - one notch up

Corner routine:

* FC/R - Attack far post

* FC/L - Attack ball from deep

* DC/R - Challenge keeper

* DC/L - Attack near post

You could make your own thread about this tactic if you want, I don't mind at all just credit me for the tactic base

[Mr Hough]

Mr Hough have you ever tried to play with zonal marking instead man marking ? I also did a season with juventus. Scored alot but conceded more than you did. I notice that alot of times opp players easily pass my defenders when they are really close to them. But still, not a bad season:

http://serv9.enterupload.com/i/00250/3ep2923uv6yt.jpg

I prefer man marking because the players marks the man instead of the zone, This can be tricky though if you have a slow defender who dosen't have good anticipation positioning marking and concetarion skills and the opposition has good off the ball flair anticipation decision making he will just find space time and time again so you have to look at other things like the defenders mentality and the closing down, These are the hardest things about a tactic for me to judge and try and get right.

Depends on how the opposition plays aswell because i think if the opposition plays a fast direct attacking play then man marking would be best suited for them, If the opposition play a controlled possession play where they move the ball from player to player zonal marking will be best because if your on man marking becuase you have a narrow midfield you will find that your players will get dragged out of position alot leaving gaps because they are going to mark the 'man', Now on the flip side if you had zonal marking they might have slightly more space but all the zones will be covered and it will be harder to break through the defence.

[nigh4tmare]

You could make your own thread about this tactic if you want, I don't mind at all just credit me for the tactic base

To JP and TBH also

[info0]

Anyone answer my question?

[Mr Hough]

Anyone answer my question?

There is a way to counter all tactics you just have to find it!

Looking at the oppositions formation i would look at eliminating the man in the hole just below the striker as i'd see him at the man with the most threat like in real life he will link not just attack but also midfield too so if you can stop him from playing the your halfway there.

I'd use one of my tactics but change the DM's closing down to 1 notch above own area that way he will stay in the center and nulify that players movement on and off the ball.

There is alot of other things you could do aswell but i'll leave that to you to work out.

[info0]

Hmm will have to check some things then .

[polistus]

I played 11 league games with Arsenal, winning 9, drawing 1 and losing also 1. So far this latest tactic (24 May) of yours seems to do the trick just fine.

Still, you have exactly the same instructions for both central midfielders. There are early signs that make me think that this tactic may not get the best out of Fabregas in my game. His average rating is just average - 7.17. People in the Arsenal thread suggest playing him as an advanced playmaker with an attacking duty. Mr Hough, how did central midfielders perform in your test games? Would different CM settings make the tactic better? If yes, how would you change it?

Thanks!

[andrjam48]

I played 11 league games with Arsenal, winning 9, drawing 1 and losing also 1. So far this latest tactic (24 May) of yours seems to do the trick just fine.

Still, you have exactly the same instructions for both central midfielders. There are early signs that make me think that this tactic may not get the best out of Fabregas in my game. His average rating is just average - 7.17. People in the Arsenal thread suggest playing him as an advanced playmaker with an attacking duty. Mr Hough, how did central midfielders perform in your test games? Would different CM settings make the tactic better? If yes, how would you change it?

Thanks!

tick playmaker on team instructions then have one of the mc`s as the playmaker.

although player ratings i would personally anyway take with a pinch of salt as they are not a very good indication on how well/bad a player is playing mate better of going into the match analysis and checking the players stats there.

For an example of how bad player ratings are just check the match statistic`s of a player with a low rating and actually see how many pass attempts /completions etc he has.

A few times a player in my team might knock the ball into his own net after its been kicked at the back of his head after a goal mouth scramble and hes got a low rating

Actually check what hes done over the entire match and he could have played well up untill the 89th minute lol making 90% of his passes talking well and shooting on target.

[Mr Hough]

I played 11 league games with Arsenal, winning 9, drawing 1 and losing also 1. So far this latest tactic (24 May) of yours seems to do the trick just fine.

Still, you have exactly the same instructions for both central midfielders. There are early signs that make me think that this tactic may not get the best out of Fabregas in my game. His average rating is just average - 7.17. People in the Arsenal thread suggest playing him as an advanced playmaker with an attacking duty. Mr Hough, how did central midfielders perform in your test games? Would different CM settings make the tactic better? If yes, how would you change it?

Thanks!

they have the settings the same because i want the both to do the same thing attack and defend close down play pass balls to strikers and so on.

With these settings i achieve that.

Fabergas is a great player you could play him in defence and he's still do ok, He will get better over time as he and the rest of your team get used to the tactic i wouldn't worry to much.

[gav1979]

what's the 4-4-2 version what tbh tweaked from the 4123 like compared to the 4123,is it as strong,i am using man utd and want to get a good working 4-4-2,thanks guys please help

[Spikester]

Mr Hough

When will you be releasing your 41212 tactic?

Steve