RooneyRonaldo Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I'm a United fan and I am re-creating the United 90's to 00's team combined on the database. What would you say realistically the PA's of the former United players or other footballing legends? I want to be accurate, so: Schmeichel 199 Cantona 196 Keane 195 Stam 185 Irwin 179 Kanchelskis 184 Hughes 183 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purefun Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 This is more for GD imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Schmeichel should be a bit less than that. Look at Buffon's PA now, for example. I'd say 188. As for Keane, you could check his PA from a few years back, he didn't retire long ago. Same for Kanchelskis, he's in 07's db, as is Stam. The others seem fine, maybe Cantona could come down a point or two as 196 would make him as good as Cruyff or Platini. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewyFun Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I agree, Schmeichel is the best 'keeper of all time, but about 188-192 should do fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemoncurd Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 tbh stam should probably get a boost, he was by far and away the best centre half in the world when he played for united, only man I ever sore Alan Shearer really struggle to play against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Schmeichel needs dropping to around 185-190 in my opinion the rest look good although I would maybe drop Cantona to 192ish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooneyRonaldo Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Guys if Buffon PA is *, then surely Schmeichel should be at last 195+ Solskjaer I have made 182 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauljs Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Good player that Cantona was, he is massively overated by Man Utd fans, He did nothing much in European Competition and at International level, he wasnt even considered good enough for France at Euro 96 and played for the France team that failed to qualify for USA 94 and flopped at Euro 92 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Lionheart Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Schmeichel was never as good as Buffon is. Keane and Cantona both well overrated too. You have them as the best in the world. They weren't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooneyRonaldo Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Schmeichel was never as good as Buffon is.Keane and Cantona both well overrated too. You have them as the best in the world. They weren't. Schmeichel was greatest keeper of all time according to most pundits. Give be a defensive mid better than keano.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillsminnow Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Schmeichel easily the best keeper ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Lionheart Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 The Dane was very good, but he's no Yashin, Banks or Buffon. Only Man U fans believe that players like Roy Keane are the best ever. Davids in his prime, Dunga, Makelele, Vieira, Mascherano, Essien. That's 6 off the top of my head who are/were as good as or better than your Irish thug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendz Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 The Dane was very good, but he's no Yashin, Banks or Buffon. Only Man U fans believe that players like Roy Keane are the best ever. Davids in his prime, Dunga, Makelele, Vieira, Mascherano, Essien. That's 6 off the top of my head who are/were as good as or better than your Irish thug. Vieira, Mascherano, Essien. Haha, good one man, good one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Lionheart Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 What, because they play(ed) for your rivals? Or because a player suddenly was twice as good after he retired? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne\'o Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 using previous versions you can find all the stats out for them players. you can also include. Shearer in there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooneyRonaldo Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Mascherano? What are you smoking? Keane is the best DMC of all time by a mile. PA of 195 is very conservative for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmo16 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Schmeichel easily the best keeper ever. Lev Yashin must be God then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Lionheart Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Lol. Uh huh. I bet Georgie Best is history's greatest player too. -----------Schmeichel Neville, Stam, Ferdinand, Irwin Ronaldo, Keane, Scholes, Giggs -----------Best --------------Van Nistelrooy Best team of all time, I'm sure. I only include Best because you've probably seen Youtube clips of him and your dad says he was amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooneyRonaldo Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hunter, are you a scouser? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Lionheart Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Nope. I hate the Scouse lot. At least Man U fans have good reason to be smug. I'm a Preston fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooneyRonaldo Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 Best player in history is a hard one, maybe Zidane. I never saw Best play apart from vidio clips so I won't comment on him. Well Pele says he was the greatest ever, just unfortunate to play for a hopeless nation. 1 player can't take on 11 players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillsminnow Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Lev Yashin must be God then. God isn't the best keeper ever? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Lionheart Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Well Jesus saves... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooneyRonaldo Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 What was the PA of Zidane in his prime on the previous championship managers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 The Dane - 188 Cantona - 181 Roy Keane - 184 The figures you suggested where remarkably high, definitely not 'realistic' imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atonement Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 vieria over keane any day he could tackle just as well, was quicker, stronger, better in the air keane might have edged passing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
likesiamesefish Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 lol at people pretending peter didn't **** all over buffon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Lionheart Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 lol @ deluded Man U fans who weren't even old or smart enough to judge his quality fairly when he was playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
likesiamesefish Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 not old enough to judge fairly? lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Schmichael was better than Buffon. His talent was so good, he was the only player who was capable of playing for the right and wrong half of Manchester and still retain respect in both halves (although I suppose Gary Neville disagrees). His reflexes were amazing, his strength second-to-none for a goalkeeper (his long throws were staggering). His kicking was excellent and his shot-stopping was brilliant. According to FourFourTwo, Schmichael kept clean sheets in 42% (!) of his Premiership matches, a figure no other goalkeeper has come close to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannan300188 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Good player that Cantona was, he is massively overated by Man Utd fans, He did nothing much in European Competition and at International level, he wasnt even considered good enough for France at Euro 96 and played for the France team that failed to qualify for USA 94 and flopped at Euro 92 20 goals in 45 games for France, missed Euro 96 cause he was suspended half way through the qualifying campaign where he was captain. Jean Pierre Papin was in the Euro 92 squad and played up front with him. Overall the stats dont look so bad when you actually look at the facts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavel Pogrebnyak Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 What does PA stand for please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw640 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Potential Ability, it's a stat in FM that determines how good a player can get in his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavel Pogrebnyak Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Potential Ability, it's a stat in FM that determines how good a player can get in his career. Okay thanks, is it on a players profile along with the other stats? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Hall Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Bosnich 186 IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Boy_Rv Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Oh dear, bit of controversy in this thread... so i'll add to it Being a Town supporter i favor neither the Mancs nor Gunners... (Despite the horrible 9 - 0 beating we took at old trafford not too long back...) I personally believe Vieria was the better player in his prime at Arsenal, not just a terrific tackler but had the physich to win headers and hold off players... a true DM at it's best! As for Schmeichel\Buffon... to close to call, both amazing between the sticks but ovcors the level of strikers they faced has changed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoopy D Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I'd say other than Cantona those look about right, Eric should probably be 180-185. Don't get me wrong he was good but he wasn't quite as good as you've got him. For people saying Schmeichel at 199 is too high, come off it there's not been a GK that good before or since. And in defence of the OP it's not Man Utd fans that over rate Roy Keane it is in fact the rest of the world that hugely under rates him, maybe PA 190 is a bit more realistic though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vet Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Schmeichel could throw the ball as far as many other keepers could kick it. Unfortunately it caused him vast backproblems, and he stopped doing it much. Only Gordon Banks had a comparable reaction time. Neither Cech, Buffon, or Castillas can hold a candle to the great dane. The FM numbers for some of the current players are way too high. I am a LFC fan and have been since 76 - but Schmeichel was just that good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butts Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Hunter i'm not being funny but you haven't really got a clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kertiz Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Schmeichel 192 Cantona 190 Keane 185 Stam 180 Irwin 175 Kanchelskis 179 Hughes 175 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blab Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Davids in his prime, Dunga, Makelele, Vieira, Mascherano, Essien. That's 6 off the top of my head who are/were as good as or better than your Irish thug. Matthaus was great, IMO much better than Keane. Desailly and Deschamps also awesome. Those three won pretty much everything that could be won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert_Goal_Here Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Schmeichel easily the best keeper ever. This isn't just an opinion, it's fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blab Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 This always comes to mind when people are talking about Schmeichel: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert_Goal_Here Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Lev Yashin, think spelling is right, many think him the greatest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Lionheart Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Hunter i'm not being funny but you haven't really got a clue. You generally have to give a reason to be taken seriously. Else you boil down to 'NO U" For the record, don't get me wrong, Schmeichel and Keane were obviously both very, very good players. Peter I'd even put as a top 5 GK ever. That doesn't make him 199 PA. He wasn't perfect. He made mistakes, and had a habit of conceding a few at a time. Keane, as others have pointed out, is by no means the best DM ever- plenty of players at his level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoopy D Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Peter I'd even put as a top 5 GK ever Made me laugh, to think there were 2 better keepers than him is a bit far fetched but 4? That's just being silly. Also I don't think anyone who seriously thinks Mascherano is better than Keane can be taken seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Lionheart Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Mascherano is as good as Keane ever was. He's a better passer of the ball and reads the game better. He's not as aggressive or strong in the tackle, and they're both underrated going forwards. I say top 5, because I dunno where he'd come in it. Yashin, Banks, Buffon, Schmeichel... and I'm sure there's plenty of contention for the 5th place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoopy D Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Mascherano is as good as Keane ever was. He's a better passer of the ball and reads the game better. This is honestly the biggest load of rubbish I've ever heard. Keane's main strength's imo were his ability to read the game and his passing, often overlooked because of the "hard man" image people painted of him. How often is Mascherano the force driving Liverpool forward? Never. How often was Keane the driving force for Man Utd? All the time. Next you'll be telling us Mascherano is better than Scholes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanchflower1 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Good player that Cantona was, he is massively overated by Man Utd fans, He did nothing much in European Competition and at International level, he wasnt even considered good enough for France at Euro 96 and played for the France team that failed to qualify for USA 94 and flopped at Euro 92 I have to agree with you on this issue! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crpls Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 This is honestly the biggest load of rubbish I've ever heard. Keane's main strength's imo were his ability to read the game and his passing, often overlooked because of the "hard man" image people painted of him. How often is Mascherano the force driving Liverpool forward? Never. How often was Keane the driving force for Man Utd? All the time. Next you'll be telling us Mascherano is better than Scholes Nah. Next is Riera > Giggs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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