Two things regens lack

[Neil Brock]

Agility is used more heavily for outfield players, that's why the stat is shown, yet this should perhaps be claified a bit better for the future - again it's something we're looking into.

[monkey99x]

ah i see.

cheers for clearing that up, because i was sitting scratching my head for a bit there

[Galactus]

Yeah, regen GK's are completely screwed up.

There's also:

- Too many fast defenders.

- DM's with low "marking" attribute. But their technical attributes like "Dribbling" and "First Touch" are great, in the history of football there were only one Paulo Roberto Falcão and one Fernando Redondo, but in FM, once you get in 2020 or something, there are hundreds of them.

- CM's that are fast and strong, CM's are usually slow and weak.

- Too many CM's with high "Tackling".

- Wingers with good defensive attributes.

- Too many winger with super high "Crossing".

- Tall striker that are skilful, the fanboys would say "Have you never seen Ibrahimovic?"; yeah, Ibahimovic and who else? Short strikers with good "Heading" attribute. Actually striker are all the same, no matter their height or w/e.

- NO set piece specialists

- Low natural fitness

- Players with high technical attributes but poor "Flair". In 2027 the only player with a PA higher than 170 and has "Flair" 20 is Marquinhos. BTW, not a regen.

- Top players with low "Determination"

- You rarely see defensive players with high "Aggression" and "Bravery"

- Actually, players of every position have low "Aggression" and "Bravery"

- Too many white players that are fast and strong. You know only black players are fast and strong at the same time.

- Nationality/race/whatever doesn't do any difference to the player's attribute actually.

- Too many defensive players with super high PA (like +185).

Just a few things i noticed.

What do you mean by this?

Are you insinuating that most white players are slow and weak?

And all black players are just legs and muscle?

I am black btw so don't even think of it that way.

[desmond7]

I thought that was quite a funny comment not to be taken seriously at all. More insulting to a white man if anything!

[pires29]

Yeah, regen GK's are completely screwed up.

There's also:

- Too many fast defenders.

- DM's with low "marking" attribute. But their technical attributes like "Dribbling" and "First Touch" are great, in the history of football there were only one Paulo Roberto Falcão and one Fernando Redondo, but in FM, once you get in 2020 or something, there are hundreds of them.

- CM's that are fast and strong, CM's are usually slow and weak.

- Too many CM's with high "Tackling".

- Wingers with good defensive attributes.

- Too many winger with super high "Crossing".

- Tall striker that are skilful, the fanboys would say "Have you never seen Ibrahimovic?"; yeah, Ibahimovic and who else? Short strikers with good "Heading" attribute. Actually striker are all the same, no matter their height or w/e.

- NO set piece specialists

- Low natural fitness

- Players with high technical attributes but poor "Flair". In 2027 the only player with a PA higher than 170 and has "Flair" 20 is Marquinhos. BTW, not a regen.

- Top players with low "Determination"

- You rarely see defensive players with high "Aggression" and "Bravery"

- Actually, players of every position have low "Aggression" and "Bravery"

- Too many white players that are fast and strong. You know only black players are fast and strong at the same time.

- Nationality/race/whatever doesn't do any difference to the player's attribute actually.

- Too many defensive players with super high PA (like +185).

Just a few things i noticed.

You can't be serious with most of these?

[LeoVieira]

What do you mean by this?

Are you insinuating that most white players are slow and weak?

And all black players are just legs and muscle?

I am black btw so don't even think of it that way.

I'm not saying black players are pure legs and muscle. What i'm saying is that european/african black players are usually more athletic than the white ones. It's a fact.

White players can be fast too, but they're usually weak. Just like there are strong white players but that are slow.

You can't be serious with most of these?

Why do you think i wasn't serious? Elaborate please.

[pires29]

I'm not really arguing with what you think regens are lacking even though I can't say I would agree with you either, I was more talking about how you are comparing them to real life.

Two DM's in the histroy of football who are good players technically?

There are many CM's IRL who are good tacklers.

There are also plenty of tall strikers who are quite skilful, Bartmansss listed a few and i'm sure there are many more.

Why could a small striker not be good at heading the ball? Jumping maybe I could understand even though smaller players generally have a better leap than tall players. Height has no bearing on how well a player can head a ball.

I found your comment on whites quite funny actually but still, clearly not true.

In terms of what you've said about regens I have 4 players in my squad who have 17 or over for free-kicks.

Again I have a few players just in my squad who have high aggression and bravery. They are two completely different though and you don't need to be really agressive to be brave so I think you may be confusing what they mean?

[R-dizzle]

Yeah, regen GK's are completely screwed up.

There's also:

- Too many fast defenders.

- DM's with low "marking" attribute. But their technical attributes like "Dribbling" and "First Touch" are great, in the history of football there were only one Paulo Roberto Falcão and one Fernando Redondo, but in FM, once you get in 2020 or something, there are hundreds of them.

- CM's that are fast and strong, CM's are usually slow and weak.

- Too many CM's with high "Tackling".

- Wingers with good defensive attributes.

- Too many winger with super high "Crossing".

- Tall striker that are skilful, the fanboys would say "Have you never seen Ibrahimovic?"; yeah, Ibahimovic and who else? Short strikers with good "Heading" attribute. Actually striker are all the same, no matter their height or w/e.

- NO set piece specialists

- Low natural fitness

- Players with high technical attributes but poor "Flair". In 2027 the only player with a PA higher than 170 and has "Flair" 20 is Marquinhos. BTW, not a regen.

- Top players with low "Determination"

- You rarely see defensive players with high "Aggression" and "Bravery"

- Actually, players of every position have low "Aggression" and "Bravery"

- Too many white players that are fast and strong. You know only black players are fast and strong at the same time.

- Nationality/race/whatever doesn't do any difference to the player's attribute actually.

- Too many defensive players with super high PA (like +185).

Just a few things i noticed.

I think I agree with the last one.. the rest isn't true in my game..

Far too many amazing regen defenders in comparison to a distinct lack of amazing wingers and strikers. Teams are using really old players in their 30's as strikers because there are no good regen strikers and naturally there are only so many good youth players in the game before regens are introduced. Due to the lack of pace most teams are using average wingers rather than old ones because, as mentioned above, there is a strong lack of good regen wingers... In fact, I don't think i've come across any good regen winger let alone amazing.

Another thing, Natural Fitness.... this is a myth, don't think i've seen a good regen with anything above 10 in this stat.

[ScouseFromTheSouth]

Two things my best regen lacks...

1) Hair.

2) An "exotic" sounding name.

My best regen lacks a face.

I know this can be sorted. It makes him looks sort of terrifying though, which I'd like to think is a good attribute for a centre back to have. I can't imagine many strikers wanting to go head to head with a defender that looks like the Terminator.

[Ryknow]

We're aware of the Leclearcq/Garnier issue and it's something we're looking into. On the whole Newgens have undergone a lot of developments - I don't think judging by some of the comments listed here people realise how difficult a balancing act it is to get generated players looking as they should be.

Thats good to hear. Doesnt bother me that much, but just wondering if it was a bug that there was too many being brought into the 'world' or there wasnt enough regen names created for the database.

Appreciate all the work on regens anyways as Im a long career gamer.

[LeoVieira]

Two DM's in the histroy of football who are good players technically?

There are more regens with good "Dribbling" ability than it should be. Not many regens DM's with both good marking and tackling ability. Too many regens with high "Technique" attribute. I'm not saying there shouldn't be regens DM with good technical atrtibute, i'm saying there are too many, and there should be more of them who are good players to sit back behind midfield line and protect defense (players like Gattuso, Mascherano, Makelele, Vieira, etc, etc).

There are many CM's IRL who are good tacklers.

Really? In FM once you get in 2030 or something that are even more. But seriously, i'm talking about pure CM's, not DM's who can play as CM's. Those "pure" CM's (Like Xavi, Iniesta, Lampard or even Gerrard how is a good tackler) usually have, not poor, but average "Tackling" ability. And i also miss CM's with great mental attributes, but instead i see many of them with good physical attributes.

There are also plenty of tall striker who are quite skill full, Bartmass listed a few and i'm sure there are many more.

I'm not saying there can't be tall striker that are skillful, i'm saying there are too many. Tall striker should be alot more biased to be slow and technically not so good players.

And most of those players Bartmansss listed are clearly not skillful and/or over 190cm players.

Why could a small striker not be good at heading the ball? Jumping maybe I could understand even though smaller players generally have a better leap than tall players.Height has no bearing on how well a player can head a ball.

I'm not saying they can't be. But they usually aren't. It's a fact, smaller strikers are ALOT less likely to be good at heading the ball than tall strikers.It's a fact, just search in the database for short strikers with good heading ability and you'll see what i'm talking about.

I found your comment on whites quite funny actually but still, clearly not true.

It's not funny, and it's true. European/african black players are more likely to be athletic players than to be a wizard with the ball or w/e. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but watch an african national team playing and you'll see what i'm talking about.

And i'd like to mention also that it seems to be a small number of french/english/dutch black players. Specially french black players.

In terms of what you've said about regens I have 4 players in my squad who have 17 or over for free-kicks.

You didn't know but by set piece specialist, i meant a player with at least 16 for all of the three set piece attributes (Corners, Free-Kicks and Penalty Taking).

At the start of the game there are 57 of those players. In 2027 there are ... 1 player.

Again I have a few players just in my squad who have high aggression and bravery. They are two completely different though and you don't need to be really agressive to be brave so I think you may be confusing what they mean?

It's obvious the problem with the number of players with high "Aggression" and "Bravery", specially for defensive players. It's not something to discuss about, you can only agree with me. Just like there's a problem with "Determination", "Flair", "Influence" and "Natural Fitness". And i'm also sure that SI is aware of this and is working it out.

And i do know exactly "Aggression" and "Bravery" means, and i also know that most players with high "Aggression" will most likely have high "Bravery" or vice-versa. Obviously there are exceptions, but exceptions are exceptions.

[auberius]

I've not noticed any great problems in the attributes of regens; my main bugbear (as I've just posted in this thread) is that I never get any and I can't seem to find any action on my part that will improve matters...

[CowSimao]

I think more regens need to have better mental attributes. There aren't as many players in the future with 10+ for almost all mental attributes than there are now. Usually they have half of their mentals high but the rest suck. Which can be annoying when someone has 5 off the ball or 5 decisions or 5 composure that screws up their other strong points.

[pires29]

There are more regens with good "Dribbling" ability than it should be. Not many regens DM's with both good marking and tackling ability. Too many regens with high "Technique" attribute. I'm not saying there shouldn't be regens DM with good technical atrtibute, i'm saying there are too many, and there should be more of them who are good players to sit back behind midfield line and protect defense (players like Gattuso, Mascherano, Makelele, Vieira, etc, etc).

Let me first start by saying that my longest save is 2014 so this is possibly where our differences lie. The DM regens at the best clubs I have come across in my save appear to be good at both (defensively and technically) which is in no way a bad thing. For the record Vieira isn't the type of DM that you are trying to point out he is an incredibly good technical player and a good dribbler, same with Mascherano, not a particularly good dribbler but he is a good player technically so you are contradicting yourself quite alot here.

Really? In FM once you get in 2030 or something that are even more. But seriously, i'm talking about pure CM's, not DM's who can play as CM's. Those "pure" CM's (Like Xavi, Iniesta, Lampard or even Gerrard how is a good tackler) usually have, not poor, but average "Tackling" ability. And i also miss CM's with great mental attributes, but instead i see many of them with good physical attributes.

There are not many "pure CM's" as you call it in football at all, there are either defensively minded player (CMd), attacking minded player (CMa) or a box-to-box player (Keane earlier in his career, Ballack, Gerrard etc.) The three i've mentioned are all good tacklers as they are expected to get back and help in defence aswell so I fail to see your arguement here?

I'm not saying there can't be tall striker that are skillful, i'm saying there are too many. Tall striker should be alot more biased to be slow and technically not so good players.

And most of those players Bartmansss listed are clearly not skillful and/or over 190cm players.

I had to laugh at your comments earlier on, nowhere in your earlier posts did you say anything about them having to be taller than 190cm, only when the list of players were provided did you change your arguement to suit your means and even though they aren't over 190cm I think you are nitpicking a bit as it is only slightly taller.

How much players in your database are taller than 190cm and are still skillfu by the way?

I'm not saying they can't be. But they usually aren't. It's a fact, smaller strikers are ALOT less likely to be good at heading the ball than tall strikers.It's a fact, just search in the database for short strikers with good heading ability and you'll see what i'm talking about.

It's a fact is it? Which scientific experiment has determined that small players aren't as good as heading the ball as tall players? The only way I would agree with you that a small players has no chance of being a better header of the ball than a tall player is if the small player had no head.

It's not funny, and it's true. European/african black players are more likely to be athletic players than to be a wizard with the ball or w/e. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but watch an african national team playing and you'll see what i'm talking about.

And i'd like to mention also that it seems to be a small number of french/english/dutch black players. Specially french black players.

As far as I am aware SI set regens up so that you were likely to get more types of players that a country develops IRL in the game, i.e. You are more likely to get AM's from Argentina ST's from Brazil, Technical CM's from Spain etc. Of course there are going to be exceptions where you get a different type of player or the national teams would become obsolete as you would only get one type of player coming through. This is the first year that SI have used the 3D match engine so this is the first time we have been able to see the colour of a player and it is hardly my main concern whether my 30 goal a season Algerian striker is black, white, green, orange or any other colour.

You didn't know but by set piece specialist, i meant a player with at least 16 for all of the three set piece attributes (Corners, Free-Kicks and Penalty Taking).

At the start of the game there are 57 of those players. In 2027 there are ... 1 player.

I'm not as far into the game as you so the players in my database are not all regens. No I don't have a regen in my squad who has all three over 16 but that doesn't concern me as I have a regen with with 16 for corners who I make take my corners, I have a regen with 20 for free-kicks and penalties who takes my free-kicks and penalties.

I'm at 2014 and have only 4 players who have 16 or over for all three, two of which are real players and two of which are regen.

Each persons database is going to be different, we do not all get the same regens with the same attributes so you could restart your game and you may have 100 players who have over 16 the next time you play.

It's obvious the problem with the number of players with high "Aggression" and "Bravery", specially for defensive players. It's not something to discuss about, you can only agree with me. Just like there's a problem with "Determination", "Flair", "Influence" and "Natural Fitness". And i'm also sure that SI is aware of this and is working it out.

And i do know exactly "Aggression" and "Bravery" means, and i also know that most players with high "Aggression" will most likely have high "Bravery" or vice-versa. Obviously there are exceptions, but exceptions are exceptions.

Well I don't agree with you.

There is a huge difference between aggression and bravery and a player doesn't need to have high aggression to have high bravery.

Players who I would call brave are/were Colin Hendry and Jamie Carragher, I wouldn't call either of them overly aggressive. I find them to be brave players as they are willing to put their body between the ball and goal to try and stop it going in.

Yes a certain amount of bravery and aggression is needed for a player to throw himself into a 50-50 challenge but in no way does a player need one to have the other.

[iamjerome]

jamie carragher not aggressive?? "Carragher claimed he launched a deliberate hard tackle in a practice session against former Liverpool teammate Rigobert Song because of the latter's perceived mockery of Carragher's defending.[11] "Song walked on to the training pitch with a smile on his face. He was limping off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a 50-50 tackle with greater appetite. 'You're not ****ing laughing now, are you, you soft ****?' I said as he hobbled away."[10]"

[pires29]

jamie carragher not aggressive?? "Carragher claimed he launched a deliberate hard tackle in a practice session against former Liverpool teammate Rigobert Song because of the latter's perceived mockery of Carragher's defending.[11] "Song walked on to the training pitch with a smile on his face. He was limping off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a 50-50 tackle with greater appetite. 'You're not ****ing laughing now, are you, you soft ****?' I said as he hobbled away."[10]"

Ok then maybe not the best example, i'm taking it thats from his book? I was basing my opinion on him on what i've seen of him in matches. My point wasn't about the player really anyway, he was just an example. My point was that you don't to be aggressive to be brave.

[LeoVieira]

Let me first start by saying that my longest save is 2014 so this is possibly where our differences lie. The DM regens at the best clubs I have come across in my save appear to be good at both (defensively and technically) which is in no way a bad thing. For the record Vieira isn't the type of DM that you are trying to point out he is an incredibly good technical player and a good dribbler, same with Mascherano, not a particularly good dribbler but he is a good player technically so you are contradicting yourself quite alot here.

Mascherano can hit a ball pretty good, but which is his main role? Protect the defense right? Do you see Mascherano going foward much? That doesn't happen so often actually. Anyway let's say that if i managed a top club in Europe, i wouldn't trust neither Vieira or Mascherano to be my playmaker. They're good player technically, but not GOOD.

Anyway:

If you use the player search thing and filter for defensive midfielders, and look at the 22 most valuables DM's you'll see that:

In 2009:

DM's with "Technique" attribute over 16: 8 - In which only 2 of these 8 DM's are good defensively. (And those are Chivu and Rafa Marquez, not exactly DM's)

DM's with "Marking" attribute over 16: 5 (In which 2 of them aren't exactly DM's)

In 2027:

DM's with "Technique" attribute over 16: 16 - In which 10 of them are good defensively also.

DM's with "Marking" attribute over 16: 1

IMO, that shows there's a problem. For you, it's a good thing that they are good both offensively and defensively, but to me that's unrealistic, and i care mostly about the realism.

There are not many "pure CM's" as you call it in football at all, there are either defensively minded player (CMd), attacking minded player (CMa) or a box-to-box player (Keane earlier in his career, Ballack, Gerrard etc.) The three i've mentioned are all good tacklers as they are expected to get back and help in defence aswell so I fail to see your arguement here?

"Pure CM's" as i call it, are players with both defensive and attacking duties. Players that aren't DM's or AM's. Gerrard, Ballack, Xavi and Fabregas for example, i will count them as "Pure CM's".

Still:

In 2009:

CM's with "Tackling" attribute over 16: 1

In 2027:

CM's with "Tackling" attribute over 16: 8

Remember, i'm only counting the 22 most valuable players of that position.

I had to laugh at your comments earlier on, nowhere in your earlier posts did you say anything about them having to be taller than 190cm, only when the list of players were provided did you change your arguement to suit your means and even though they aren't over 190cm I think you are nitpicking a bit as it is only slightly taller.

Only because i didn't say that by tall i meant over 190cm doesn't mean that's what i had in mind while making that post. I never had to change my argument because of that post actually. Truth is that i found Bartmansss post to be quite stupid, specially if you think that he thought he was being a smartass while posting that. And btw, i'm not here trying to send SI to hell or anything like that, so i have no reason why i should change my argument, and stick with my opinions to hell, just to proove i was right, since what i really want are realistic regens, so i just pointed out a few things (there are more) that i noticed, and i wasn't really expecting to argue with noone about it, specially because it's rather pointless since SI does't give a damn to what i'm trying to say, because like the SI guy said in this thread, the balancing act is harder then we think. Anyway, for people like you, even if i told you that i think there aren't enough regens DM's that have good technique or that there should be more tall strikers that are skillful, you or someone else would say that DM's don't need to be technical cause all they have to do is protect the defense and that tall strikers aren't supposed to be skillful, so :/.

How much players in your database are taller than 190cm and are still skillfu by the way?

Alot.

It's a fact is it? Which scientific experiment has determined that small players aren't as good as heading the ball as tall players? The only way I would agree with you that a small players has no chance of being a better header of the ball than a tall player is if the small player had no head.

I'd tell you that small strikers usually aren't good at heading, but i already did that and it didn't work. So let's use FM database.

I used the player search thing and blah blah and took a look at the 22 most valuable strikers that are shorter than 180cm.

In 2009:

Short strikers with "Heading" attribute over 16: 0

In 2027:

Short strikers with "Heading" attribute over 16: 14

As far as I am aware SI set regens up so that you were likely to get more types of players that a country develops IRL in the game, i.e. You are more likely to get AM's from Argentina ST's from Brazil, Technical CM's from Spain etc. Of course there are going to be exceptions where you get a different type of player or the national teams would become obsolete as you would only get one type of player coming through. This is the first year that SI have used the 3D match engine so this is the first time we have been able to see the colour of a player and it is hardly my main concern whether my 30 goal a season Algerian striker is black, white, green, orange or any other colour.

But it would add even more to the realism of the game if the player's skin color or w/e would also influence on his attributes.

I'm not as far into the game as you so the players in my database are not all regens. No I don't have a regen in my squad who has all three over 16 but that doesn't concern me as I have a regen with with 16 for corners who I make take my corners, I have a regen with 20 for free-kicks and penalties who takes my free-kicks and penalties.

I'm at 2014 and have only 4 players who have 16 or over for all three, two of which are real players and two of which are regen.

Each persons database is going to be different, we do not all get the same regens with the same attributes so you could restart your game and you may have 100 players who have over 16 the next time you play.

Once again, would add to realism if there were more set piece specialists.

Well I don't agree with you.

There is a huge difference between aggression and bravery and a player doesn't need to have high aggression to have high bravery.

Players who I would call brave are/were Colin Hendry and Jamie Carragher, I wouldn't call either of them overly aggressive. I find them to be brave players as they are willing to put their body between the ball and goal to try and stop it going in.

Yes a certain amount of bravery and aggression is needed for a player to throw himself into a 50-50 challenge but in no way does a player need one to have the other.

Yeah, you mentioned two examples, but still most of the players have similar "Aggression" and "Bravery"

But what i really tried to say in my first post is that there aren't much good defensive players with high values for "Aggression" and "Bravery". The same can be said for offensive players, but they don't need such high values for those two attributes as defensive players.

Once against i used the players search tool and ...

In 2009:

Full-Backs ...

... with "Aggression" attribute over 16: 7

... with "Bravery" attribute over 16: 10

... both "Aggression" and "Bravery" attribute over 16: 5

Center-Backs ...

... with "Aggression" attribute over 16: 13

... with "Bravery" attribute over 16: 19

... both "Aggression" and "Bravery" attribute over 16: 12

DM's ...

... with "Aggression" attribute over 16: 11

... with "Bravery" attribute over 16: 11

... both "Aggression" and "Bravery" attribute over 16: 9

Technical DM's do not tend to be aggresive or brave players.

In 2027:

Full-Backs ...

... with "Aggression" attribute over 16: 2

... with "Bravery" attribute over 16: 1

... both "Aggression" and "Bravery" attribute over 16: 0

Center-Backs ...

... with "Aggression" attribute over 16: 2

... with "Bravery" attribute over 16: 2

... both "Aggression" and "Bravery" attribute over 16: 1

DM's ...

... with "Aggression" attribute over 16: 0

... with "Bravery" attribute over 16: 0

... both "Aggression" and "Bravery" attribute over 16: 0

[Äktsjon Männ]

Facegen is pretty random because I don't think it can take attributes into account when assigning skin color to regen players. As it's only a cosmetic feature I don't really see it as a problem. The rest of LeVieiras points seem valid enough to me though. There's no point arguing whether there can be hard tackling CM's or not, if there are very few in the original database then regens should reflect that as well. That said, this years regens are in no way a game braking issue. The standard of play keeps up well enough when regens take over and it's only the ineptitude of AI managers that leads to human teams dominating rather than regens being poor.

[pires29]

I could play on till 2027 and I may get completely different results from yours as each persons game is different. Since there has not been a majority of people coming on here and agreeing with what you are saying i'd say yours is a localised problem. As I said before you could resart your game and play that far into it again and have completely different results.

If alot more people come on here and back up what you say then I will happily apologize. There is not much point in debating anymore as I can't give you proper results as i'm not as far into the game as you are.

[LeoVieira]

I could play on till 2027 and I may get completely different results from yours as each persons game is different. Since there has not been a majority of people coming on here and agreeing with what you are saying i'd say yours is a localised problem. As I said before you could resart your game and play that far into it again and have completely different results.

If alot more people come on here and back up what you say then I will happily apologize. There is not much point in debating anymore as I can't give you proper results as i'm not as far into the game as you are.

Anyone that get as far as 2027 will certainlly have similar results. People don't post about it because they don't care about it, they only care about the regen's CA/PA, it's all ok to them as long as they can get the best regens out there to win them title after title, they don't really mind if they have realistic attributes or not.

[Äktsjon Männ]

I could play on till 2027 and I may get completely different results from yours as each persons game is different. Since there has not been a majority of people coming on here and agreeing with what you are saying i'd say yours is a localised problem. As I said before you could resart your game and play that far into it again and have completely different results.

Not really true as the way players are generated is not that random to give largely varying players from game to game. The issues with regens in long term games have always been pretty much consistent. I can tell you that in my game (I'm in 2026) most of LeoVieiras examples give similar results to mine. There are loads of short strikers with good heading, lots of hard tackling CMs and very few players that are aggressive and brave etc.

[LeoVieira]

Also, it seems that every left footed player is either LB's or LM's/LW's. Not much left footed ST's/CM's/CB's etc.

[xander]

Yeah, regen GK's are completely screwed up.

There's also:

- Tall striker that are skilful, the fanboys would say "Have you never seen Ibrahimovic?"; yeah, Ibahimovic and who else? Short strikers with good "Heading" attribute. Actually striker are all the same, no matter their height or w/e.

henrik larsson, one of the greatest headerer's ever

also dennis bergkamp

[torsportsfan]

I think the community should make a list on ALL the problem with newgens so SI does not have to browse through all these thread to see what's wrong.

[Champion]

Yeah, regen GK's are completely screwed up.

There's also:

- Too many fast defenders.

- DM's with low "marking" attribute. But their technical attributes like "Dribbling" and "First Touch" are great, in the history of football there were only one Paulo Roberto Falcão and one Fernando Redondo, but in FM, once you get in 2020 or something, there are hundreds of them.

- CM's that are fast and strong, CM's are usually slow and weak.

- Too many CM's with high "Tackling".

- Wingers with good defensive attributes.

- Too many winger with super high "Crossing".

- Tall striker that are skilful, the fanboys would say "Have you never seen Ibrahimovic?"; yeah, Ibahimovic and who else? Short strikers with good "Heading" attribute. Actually striker are all the same, no matter their height or w/e.

- NO set piece specialists

- Low natural fitness

- Players with high technical attributes but poor "Flair". In 2027 the only player with a PA higher than 170 and has "Flair" 20 is Marquinhos. BTW, not a regen.

- Top players with low "Determination"

- You rarely see defensive players with high "Aggression" and "Bravery"

- Actually, players of every position have low "Aggression" and "Bravery"

- Too many white players that are fast and strong. You know only black players are fast and strong at the same time.

- Nationality/race/whatever doesn't do any difference to the player's attribute actually.

- Too many defensive players with super high PA (like +185).

Just a few things i noticed.

Also there are many quality regens born every year in a much higher standard than real life. This means, regens does instantly replaces real life players especially in lower leagues.

Shortly, regens are over-rated very much.

[Jops14]

Yeah, regen GK's are completely screwed up.

There's also:

- Too many fast defenders.

- DM's with low "marking" attribute. But their technical attributes like "Dribbling" and "First Touch" are great, in the history of football there were only one Paulo Roberto Falcão and one Fernando Redondo, but in FM, once you get in 2020 or something, there are hundreds of them.

- CM's that are fast and strong, CM's are usually slow and weak.

- Too many CM's with high "Tackling".

- Wingers with good defensive attributes.

- Too many winger with super high "Crossing".

- Tall striker that are skilful, the fanboys would say "Have you never seen Ibrahimovic?"; yeah, Ibahimovic and who else? Short strikers with good "Heading" attribute. Actually striker are all the same, no matter their height or w/e.

- NO set piece specialists

- Low natural fitness

- Players with high technical attributes but poor "Flair". In 2027 the only player with a PA higher than 170 and has "Flair" 20 is Marquinhos. BTW, not a regen.

- Top players with low "Determination"

- You rarely see defensive players with high "Aggression" and "Bravery"

- Actually, players of every position have low "Aggression" and "Bravery"

- Too many white players that are fast and strong. You know only black players are fast and strong at the same time.

- Nationality/race/whatever doesn't do any difference to the player's attribute actually.

- Too many defensive players with super high PA (like +185).

Just a few things i noticed.

I gotta think a lot of these things are jokes.

1. I've seen quite a lot of slow defenders.

2. CM's aren't always slow and weak, you get the odd slow one or weak one. But thats just a load of rubbish, i find it quite representative.

3. A lot of short strikers are good at heading, a fair few of tall ones are naff. I accept that that could do with some work though.

4. I have loads of regen set piece specialists, i almost think there are 2 many. I got 2 18 year old defenders in my game with freek kick attribute of about 18.

5. Seriously? only black players are fast and strong? There are hundreds of fast and strong white players, and hundreds of slow and weak black players. Thats just stupid.

6. Just because someone is from saudi arabia doesnt mean they cant be superb technically.

Most of those points i agree with though.

[LeoVieira]

1. I've seen quite a lot of slow defenders.

Me too.

2. CM's aren't always slow and weak, you get the odd slow one or weak one. But thats just a load of rubbish, i find it quite representative.

I'm sorry i admit i was wrong . Scholes, Xavi, Sneijder, Fabregas, etc are all a bunch of horses. SUPER athletic players.

3. A lot of short strikers are good at heading, a fair few of tall ones are naff. I accept that that could do with some work though.

Maybe a few short strikers my be good at heading, maybe 1 out of 40 or something. But that doesn't mean that, what? 90% maybe, of short strikers regens should have heading as one of their strong points.

4. I have loads of regen set piece specialists, i almost think there are 2 many. I got 2 18 year old defenders in my game with freek kick attribute of about 18.

As i said before. Set Piece Specialist = A player with all of the three set piece attributes ("Corner", "Free-kicks" and "Penalty Talking". Not including "Long Throws" of course) over 16. Ronaldinho, Pirlo, Riquelme are rl examples.

5. Seriously? only black players are fast and strong? There are hundreds of fast and strong white players, and hundreds of slow and weak black players. Thats just stupid.

No, it's not stupid, it's true. Black players are usually more athletic. See Maicon, Micah Richards, Essien for example. There are more though.

White players that are fast strong in the game? I could only find Lucio and Pepe. If you find more, post them here.

Ibrahimovic is also fast strong in the game, but i think italians researchers overrated his speed attributes a little bit.

6. Just because someone is from saudi arabia doesnt mean they cant be superb technically.

Specify where i said a Saudi Arabian player can't be good technically. Actually, i find arabic players to be quite technicals.

Although i think it's VERY unlikely that Saudi Arabia will produce any world class player in the near future. Or ever.

[torsportsfan]

I agree with all the points that Leo Viera said. To add my $0.02. I don't really care about the cosmetic issues of the regens(names, race, etc) and I would rather see them work on the attributes, however I disagree with Leo Viera with the race card, it is true that Blacks are naturally faster and stronger IRL but the level of coding and the simple fact that it is racial profiling makes it undesirable for a video game.

[charlo116]

I'm not saying there can't be tall striker that are skillful, i'm saying there are too many. Tall striker should be alot more biased to be slow and technically not so good players.

And most of those players Bartmansss listed are clearly not skillful and/or over 190cm players.

So because a player is tall they should be slow and unskillful? Tall players are generally slow to take off but have quite good speed due to longer strides so i don't see the problem there. But because they're tall they can't be as good as someone short?

I'm not saying they can't be. But they usually aren't. It's a fact, smaller strikers are ALOT less likely to be good at heading the ball than tall strikers.It's a fact, just search in the database for short strikers with good heading ability and you'll see what i'm talking about.

Not true at all. Tall players like Ballack and Crouch are good at using their head because of their physical prescence that allows them to win the ball in the air. The fact is if short players could win the ball they are likely to do just as well or better than a tall player with their actual heading ability. Now i know Tim Cahill isn't short but if you look at him you will see what i'm talking about. He is better in the air than Ballck because of his superior ability to guide and direct the ball. Who says a short player can't be that good in the air?

It's not funny, and it's true. European/african black players are more likely to be athletic players than to be a wizard with the ball or w/e. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but watch an african national team playing and you'll see what i'm talking about.

Just watch what you're saying here. It just comes across as a racist joke. But i know what you mean. Science actually proved that people with black skin have what is termed "Exploding Muscles" which may sound stupid but it means that their muscles warm up quicker and react faster to physical activity which means they are in general better athetes.

And i'd like to mention also that it seems to be a small number of french/english/dutch black players. Specially french black players.

France can't be very good on your game then. They always rely on their players with african heritage. Such as Viera, Henry, Malouda, Anelka, Evra, Abidal, e.t.c. Sure there are quality white french players like ribery and zidane but without their african players france wouldnt be half as good.

[x42bn6]

Just watch what you're saying here. It just comes across as a racist joke. But i know what you mean. Science actually proved that people with black skin have what is termed "Exploding Muscles" which may sound stupid but it means that their muscles warm up quicker and react faster to physical activity which means they are in general better athetes.

(Fast) Twitch fibres

[slipknot67]

White players that are fast strong in the game? I could only find Lucio and Pepe. If you find more, post them here.

In my game in 2015

Acceleration, Pace and strength all 15+

Sergio Ramos

Wayne Rooney

Miralim Pjanic

Ched Evans

Valon Behrami

Cesar Azpilicueta

Razvan Ochirosii

Lorenzo Di Silvestri

Lucas

Paola DeCeglie

Brian Easton

Pedro Leon

Aleksander Kolarov

[cr4z3d]

I gotta agree that regens seem kinda random.

There are very few regens who have the proper pairings of technical and mental attributes. For example its rare that you find a promising young regen who has good Positioning (key for Defensive players) or a player with Flair and Creativity (Wingers and Forwards).

Still, it's better than last year because you couldn't find any athletic regens and it was more worthwhile to depend on older players (the farthest I went was 2022.

[LeoVieira]

So because a player is tall they should be slow and unskillful? Tall players are generally slow to take off but have quite good speed due to longer strides so i don't see the problem there. But because they're tall they can't be as good as someone short?

I'm not saying they all have to be slow and unskillful, but usually that's what they are.

Your body height can influence the way you play, why not? Maybe short people are more prone to be fast and skillful (as footballers) than tall players. While tall players tend to be stronger and better at aerial balls than short players.

Not true at all. Tall players like Ballack and Crouch are good at using their head because of their physical prescence that allows them to win the ball in the air. The fact is if short players could win the ball they are likely to do just as well or better than a tall player with their actual heading ability. Now i know Tim Cahill isn't short but if you look at him you will see what i'm talking about. He is better in the air than Ballck because of his superior ability to guide and direct the ball. Who says a short player can't be that good in the air?

I use FM database to prove my point, and it's clearly that short strikers tend to be more fast and skillful players than good at heading the ball. I'm not saying some of them might eventually be, but they strongly tend to not be good at headers. Now tell me, what stop a central defender from being a Lionel Messi with the ball on his feet, or what stops a striker from being as good as Mascherano at stealing balls. Looking at the way you're seeing things, nothing stop them from being good at those things, but they simply aren't.

Just watch what you're saying here. It just comes across as a racist joke. But i know what you mean. Science actually proved that people with black skin have what is termed "Exploding Muscles" which may sound stupid but it means that their muscles warm up quicker and react faster to physical activity which means they are in general better athetes.

Yes, if i told people that black people are faster than white people, they would say i'm crazy and that white people can be fast too. And it's true, they can be fast too, but every 100m olympic finalists in Beijing were black IIRC.

France can't be very good on your game then. They always rely on their players with african heritage. Such as Viera, Henry, Malouda, Anelka, Evra, Abidal, e.t.c. Sure there are quality white french players like ribery and zidane but without their african players france wouldnt be half as good.

I was saying, there aren't much french regens that are black.

In my game in 2015

Acceleration, Pace and strength all 15+

Sergio Ramos

Wayne Rooney

Miralim Pjanic

Ched Evans

Valon Behrami

Cesar Azpilicueta

Razvan Ochirosii

Lorenzo Di Silvestri

Lucas

Paola DeCeglie

Brian Easton

Pedro Leon

Aleksander Kolarov

I'm in 2009 and i also searched for players with +15 at Acceleration, Pace and Strenght. There are 83 players, in which 46 of them are black and 37 are white, quite a significant difference since there are far more white players in Europe than black ones.

Also, the one with the highest values for those attributes are usually black, like Sissoko, Maicon, Richards, Onuoha, Yobo, Essien, etc. While white players are usually around the 15-16 with the exceptions of a few.