marksmithlfc1234 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Great tactics ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sims3 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Which is the best one, still getting battered as Leeds! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 The Pxx in tactic name gives a half season pts total in testing. However, the formations needs to suit your team but they are interchangeable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarklinkCL Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Good tactics, Knap. I had some nice results using the 4-4-1-1, though since my team sucks ofc I didn't win crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonafan70 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Knap, sorry if you have already stated somewhere but the 343 tactic, do you have the preferred/required attributes for each player? Cheers, looking to do a Middlesbrough save as they seem to always be relegated in every one else's saves!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 25, 2016 Author Share Posted December 25, 2016 3I tend to use original squads and have attribute masking on. The 3 at back I tested with Man City although have just finished testing 3 at back with Lpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 25, 2016 Author Share Posted December 25, 2016 You could also try these 3511 Iron Man or Paranoid 41230 !!!FM17KnapIronManLPOOLP55P97_975A6F9C-A029-40E8-BECB-475CEDA541C5.fmf !!!FM17.2KnapParanoid_6B2D5977-7F92-4324-B8F6-5C42EC2E34BB.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Valhalla.. Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Still using your sets Knap, I'm into 2023 and currently managing the France National Team. My achievements so far: 2016 - 2018, Germany - Confederations Cup, FIFA World Cup. Resigned as World Champion. 2019, Athletic Bilbao - rescued a sinking ship (17th in January, finished 6th). Resigned due to frustration at transfer restraints, couldn't strengthen the squad. 2020 to 2022, Schalke 04 - Bundesliga 2 years running, German Super Cup, UEFA Champions League (really!). Resigned due to board changes and stupidly small budgets allocated, despite making the club meg rich. 2022 to present, France - International League winners and now qualified for Euros without conceding a single goal. I'm currently the most sought-after manager in the game, constantly turning down job offers. This is literally the mirror opposite of my usual FM experience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksmithlfc1234 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 On 12/25/2016 at 12:04, ..Valhalla.. said: Still using your sets Knap, I'm into 2023 and currently managing the France National Team. My achievements so far: 2016 - 2018, Germany - Confederations Cup, FIFA World Cup. Resigned as World Champion. 2019, Athletic Bilbao - rescued a sinking ship (17th in January, finished 6th). Resigned due to frustration at transfer restraints, couldn't strengthen the squad. 2020 to 2022, Schalke 04 - Bundesliga 2 years running, German Super Cup, UEFA Champions League (really!). Resigned due to board changes and stupidly small budgets allocated, despite making the club meg rich. 2022 to present, France - International League winners and now qualified for Euros without conceding a single goal. I'm currently the most sought-after manager in the game, constantly turning down job offers. This is literally the mirror opposite of my usual FM experience Which Tacticdid you Use ? to get you doing so well ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wixta79 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 pretty sure he's using Asymmetric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Valhalla.. Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 4 hours ago, marksmithlfc1234 said: Which Tacticdid you Use ? to get you doing so well ? As @wixta79 said; asymmetric. A brief run-down of how I play: I load it up on all 3 slots when joining a new team and it very quickly becomes fluid. The only changes I ever really make are very occasionally removing the "get stuck in" instruction if I think it is needed (like in the last 10 minutes of the Champions League final, leading 2-1 against Barcelona and don't want to give away a penalty or go down to 10 men). As soon as a player is given a yellow card I assertively tell him to calm down. If a load of players get yellow I aggressively tell the entire team to calm down. I rarely see red, but I do get loads of yellows. I deal with training myself, including team and individual. I set up individual training for every player in all squads, assigning them to the exact roles they will play in the tactic: SK, WBL/R, CD, DM, CM, WM, AM, W, F9 I praise all players who are mentioned positively in the monthly training report, and warn those who are mentioned as training poorly (except veterans whose attributes are declining anyway). I attend all media interviews myself; pre match, post match, tunnel, and any others, I always try to be positive in team talks. "We are the favourites so get out there and impress me/pick up where you left off" is about as harsh as it gets, and I always say "you were unlucky" when we lose because 99% of the time we actually ARE unlucky (we dominate all games). I also assertively (home) and calmly (away) tell the defence, midfield and attack "I have faith in you" every pre-match team talk. If losing/playing crap by half time I aggressively tell them it isn't good enough (but I ALWAYS say unlucky if the final result remains bad - it's good for morale). Any player who reacts negatively to team talks (turns red) is hooked if an individual talk doesn't change it. Any player who looks nervous during the match is told to show some passion (they are paid a fortune and have no right to be nervous). That's about the height of it. Managing morale seems to be the key to winning with this tactic, and players react well to praise and positivity. As an example of how strong the tactic is - I just played (as Liverpool) a team of no-hopers away to Man City in the League Cup 3rd round, thinking we will go out with a beating, but we comfortably won 3-0 despite playing a dreadful striker, defenders with zero experience, barely fringe midfielders... the commentary kept mentioning things like we were "confounding all pre-match predictions here!".... it was borderline silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worick Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Knap have you created some tactic similar to Oxford for FM 17? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 1st attempt at an Oxford Xtree tactic !!!FM17KnapDGOXLPOOLP91PL_0F81B70A-692F-406E-8D21-B4CC657B283C.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wixta79 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 using the asymmetric with rennes, such good football, even when you lose it feels like there's so much more to come from the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzahutc Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 On 25/12/2016 at 10:24, knap said: You could also try these 3511 Iron Man or Paranoid 41230 !!!FM17KnapIronManLPOOLP55P97_975A6F9C-A029-40E8-BECB-475CEDA541C5.fmf !!!FM17.2KnapParanoid_6B2D5977-7F92-4324-B8F6-5C42EC2E34BB.fmf from there title you used iron man for liverpool what training did you use Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duds Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Hello all, Just downloaded FM17 via Steam so have version 17.2. Playing as Man Utd (always my first game on a new FM version). Any suggestions as to which tactic will be best for Man Utd? I do like IF's on the wing and I'm keen to get Rashford playing. Thanks, Duds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksmithlfc1234 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Knap what would you recommend now For me using Liverpool and With OI's or without Oi's ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 29, 2016 Author Share Posted December 29, 2016 I'm testing with OIs. I would probably use 4231 Asymmetric or 451 with MU. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksmithlfc1234 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Ok Thanks! I also have Icardi and Origi who are both Now world class and would love to use the both together any ideas ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duds Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tottijim Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Knap...which one of the 3 defenders is tge best for underdog??343..3412...or 3511 iron maiden..???and we use oi?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 OIs with all tactics and I would guess 3511 for underdog, although won PL with West Ham with the narrow diamond. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tottijim Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 When u say the narrow u mean the 343??can u post the tha formation of your west ham save?i want to see your statistics to the players...tnx in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 West Ham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogrebnik Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 cant get any good games after update. And I have question like all others here. What would you say is best tactic? I don't like 3 in attack. All else is open for me. Thx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 What formation do you prefer? My tactic preference would be Asymmetric. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjohng Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 On 2016/12/31 at 09:42, knap said: West Ham Where is this tactic? I can't find it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Hi Knap, Having some great results with your 4411 this year with the pinnacle being a fabulous 7-0 dismantling of Benfica. Only three issues really : 1. I would love to get more out of the AMC but in true FM style any additional PI's or role changes in that position seems to influence how the tactic plays. 2. Secondly I am struggling against the big teams away. Obviously I expect that but I was wondering if you do anything or use a different tactic for away matches against the top sides? 3. I have wasted points by trying to see out games. I can be 2-0 up against Man United then either swap to your 4141 or drag the AM back to DM, swap to defensive, try and retain possession, all those obvious defensive moves but it always seems to bring pressure. I at times now just stick with what put me ahead in the first place but was just wondering what if anything you do if you just want to tighten things up? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 1, 2017 Author Share Posted January 1, 2017 The West Ham Narrow Diamond has own thread " WARPIGS", as not based on DG settings. AMs tend to get low ratings so I ignore, but if you are looking at improving a certain aspect then I can try a tweak. I use a TW tactic which is 4141 but I actually prefer a 451 tactic for a TW. I tend to do these in game and I would experiment, but the key element is usually stopping the FB runs. !FM17Knap4141TW_77C5D0BC-21D5-4CFD-9A49-F29C465D2308.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tottijim Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 knap wich is your best overALL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hliasp Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 congratulations for the time you spend to give us some ready tactics that really work.. the assymetric looks good so far for my Olympiakos team, I am still in preason but I am satisfied with what I see till now. I have one question.. set pieces instructions are the default or you implemented some changes? Thanks again, and I wish you HAPPY NEW YEAR! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hliasp Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, Hliasp said: congratulations for the time you spend to give us some ready tactics that really work.. the assymetric looks good so far for my Olympiakos team, I am still in preason but I am satisfied with what I see till now. I have one question.. set pieces instructions are the default or you implemented some changes? Thanks again, and I wish you HAPPY NEW YEAR! preseason I meant, not preason or prison (hahaaha) . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 Set pieces are all from FM 16. Best tactics depends on squad. My preferences are Asymmetric, 4231 or Oxford, Usually I would use 442s but you really need the right squad like Arsenal to get the most from them. Happy New Year to All. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyBobby Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I just can't get any kind of consistency with these tactics. I guess it's just because the sides I'm managing aren't that good though. I was sacked at Rangers after finishing second using the 4-2-3-1 system and I'm hit and miss at Tranmere and currently sit 14th (which isn't bad given the media prediction). I think I'm just used to unrealistic game-breaking tactics whereas this one is a good solid tactic but, if the players aren't great, it won't perform miracles. I prefer it that way, to be honest - it makes achieving success that bit sweeter. Thanks for your work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeyeofthetiger Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 The 41230 is fab, not saying its a game breaker but its runs the ME pretty close! Found that changing the following improves it a bit... CHANGE WBA TO IWB S REMOVE LOOK OVERLAP CHANGE TO WHIPPED CROSSES FINISHED 6TH IN MY FIRST SEASON (HULL) PREDICTED 20TH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Thanks for the Time Wasting tactic Knap as it's helped me see out games well. Gambled and used it from the start in my first Champions League Group Game. Got me a result!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 Have to see if it will work as a tactic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 7 hours ago, knap said: Have to see if it will work as a tactic! If only there was a way to say make that into a counter tactic. With that possession but hitting teams on the break it would be a cracker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinmor Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just wanted to let you know that your tactics are great, and really enjoying playing with them. Would i possible for you to make player recommendations for the various tactics? For instance, you mention that the 4-4-2 would best suit Arsenal, but I'm unsure why. Would Alexis be used as a F9 or a WM? And what about Ozil? Anyways, the tactics are great, but it would improve the quality of the thread a lot, if recommended players, attributes, ppms or something similar was included. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 On 12/5/2016 at 16:25, R0uladen said: Do you consider these formations to be better than those you put in the other thread? Btw: Thank you so much for all the time you put into your works. I enjoy your tactics very much :-) Hey Knap, are these 100% plug and play or do you tweak mentality each game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 They are tested as plug and play. However, I would at least use a TW when required but I do not tweak mentality. There is also no reason not to mix and match for home away etc or try other mentalities. I consider the key for attack or defend is the WB role or adjusting D/line rather than mentality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 As I use original squads, trying to play 442 with Spurs or Chelsea does not work that well. Arsenal have the squad to play 442 for testing but Alexis and Ozil can end up on the Wings. I tend to play with either the Spurs original squad or lower league with the same tactic, I tend to have to ignore PPMs, however, the top players tend to have good ppms. Most of my tactics are set up with attacking FBs so need to avoid stay back and the WMs IFs cut in and opposite feet will help. However in LL you often have square pegs that fit into the tactic. I usually play with hidden attributes, but post any transfers in Good Player Guide Lower League players. The Good Player forum is the best place to look for talent at whatever level, and I tend to look for talent rather than specific attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 If playing Arsenal I would probably go for a 4231 perhaps Asymmetric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wixta79 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 what tactic is that arsenal one knap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudodoodo Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Disraeli Gears is my favourite album. I just felt like saying that. I also like Asymmetric formations. I should probably add that last part to my tinder profile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 A standard 4231 tactic called White Room Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMartello Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, knap said: A standard 4231 tactic called White Room It's not released yet or am I wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 Not yet - just testing for a few games with Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMartello Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 18 minutes ago, knap said: Not yet - just testing for a few games with Arsenal. Alright, looking forward to final result! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 Already tested with MC - looking at Spurs tactic from last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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