liamc92 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Can't decide which of these two to get. Both are showing as the same Potential and there's only about £1m in price difference. I play 1 upfront in a 4-3-3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Both? If only one, then the first guy, although it depends a little on their personality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Can't decide which of these two to get. Both are showing as the same Potential and there's only about £1m in price difference. I play 1 upfront in a 4-3-3. Depends what role you're playing. I like Fantoni and I think he'd play better as a lone striker out of the two but you'd need to train his stamina and I can't see Henriques getting the same teamwork, technique etc but you could make Henriques into a nice poacher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunkerossian Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 2 options for the left back slot: Player Name: Luis Miguel Ayala Team: Independiente del Valle Expected price (scout report): 200K OR Player Name: Ludwig Augustinsson Team: FC Kobenhavn Expected price (gauging from scout report): 2.5 million Both seem to have potential. Unsure on Ayala being able to get a work permit though. Would he get it, anyone knows? He is better at Marking, Tackling and Passing, but Augustinsson has somewhat better mental stats, and is great at Crossing/Free Kicks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Enchants Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I'd go with Ludwig Augustinsson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Go with Ludwig, he has re-sale value aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca72 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Buying/Selling: Selling Player Name: Breel Embolo Your Team: Leeds Buyer/Seller: Real Madrid / Barcelona Player's Value: £32m Offer: £60m Patch: 16.2.0 Season: January 2019 It's a huge amount of money, but he's very special and only 21. I would need a world class AMC / SS / Backup ST as he currently does all these roles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badi Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Buying/Selling: Selling Player Name: Éder Álvarez Balanta Your Team: Crystal Palace Buyer/Seller: Arsenal Player's Value: 9.75M EUR Offer: 23M EUR total non-negotiable: 14M upfront, 4.1M over 12 months, 4.9M after 10 international matches, 20% profit next transfer Transfer/Wage Budget: around 1M EUR left Patch: 16.2 Season: 16/17 I have Shawcross, J. Evans and Scott Dann in the team + some youngsters with around -9 PA. Also I might loan in some quality CB like Mammana. I could use the money for some upgrades, but I wonder if I should keep him cause he might help in CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Buying/Selling: SellingPlayer Name: Breel Embolo Your Team: Leeds Buyer/Seller: Real Madrid / Barcelona Player's Value: £32m Offer: £60m Patch: 16.2.0 Season: January 2019 It's a huge amount of money, but he's very special and only 21. I would need a world class AMC / SS / Backup ST as he currently does all these roles. Nope because you won't be able to replace him. Buying/Selling: SellingPlayer Name: Éder Álvarez Balanta Your Team: Crystal Palace Buyer/Seller: Arsenal Player's Value: 9.75M EUR Offer: 23M EUR total non-negotiable: 14M upfront, 4.1M over 12 months, 4.9M after 10 international matches, 20% profit next transfer Transfer/Wage Budget: around 1M EUR left Patch: 16.2 Season: 16/17 I have Shawcross, J. Evans and Scott Dann in the team + some youngsters with around -9 PA. Also I might loan in some quality CB like Mammana. I could use the money for some upgrades, but I wonder if I should keep him cause he might help in CL. Don't think it's a good deal at all, I'd want the money upfront. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badi Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Don't think it's a good deal at all, I'd want the money upfront. Well the thing is, this is somehow the biggest deal I could get for... The bids started from 8M and Balanta was superb last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Well the thing is, this is somehow the biggest deal I could get for... The bids started from 8M and Balanta was superb last season. I'd politely decline then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badi Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I'd politely decline then. I will probably decline it and hopefully bigger offer will come with around 20M upfront, but now I need to somehow pack those four (Shawcross, Evans, Dann and Balanta) to the squad. All of them have similar rating so I have no idea. Thanks for your insight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Enchants Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Buying/Selling: SellingPlayer Name: Breel Embolo Your Team: Leeds Buyer/Seller: Real Madrid / Barcelona Player's Value: £32m Offer: £60m Patch: 16.2.0 Season: January 2019 It's a huge amount of money, but he's very special and only 21. I would need a world class AMC / SS / Backup ST as he currently does all these roles. I would for £60,000,000. Buying/Selling: SellingPlayer Name: Éder Álvarez Balanta Your Team: Crystal Palace Buyer/Seller: Arsenal Player's Value: 9.75M EUR Offer: 23M EUR total non-negotiable: 14M upfront, 4.1M over 12 months, 4.9M after 10 international matches, 20% profit next transfer Transfer/Wage Budget: around 1M EUR left Patch: 16.2 Season: 16/17 I have Shawcross, J. Evans and Scott Dann in the team + some youngsters with around -9 PA. Also I might loan in some quality CB like Mammana. I could use the money for some upgrades, but I wonder if I should keep him cause he might help in CL. Unless you have another CB in mind that is better and/or cheaper, I'd keep him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akuji2012 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Selling Angel Correa My team Blackburn Rovers Buyer: Bayern Munich Value : 36 million Offer: 70 million Season 2020 This guy has been briiliant for me and has just become a star premier league player. Thing is 70 million is a lot of money. At the stage im at i want to be buying marque players so i can push for european glory. Should i keep him as he is one of my leading players or is 70 million a good price? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 SellingAngel Correa My team Blackburn Rovers Buyer: Bayern Munich Value : 36 million Offer: 70 million Season 2020 This guy has been briiliant for me and has just become a star premier league player. Thing is 70 million is a lot of money. At the stage im at i want to be buying marque players so i can push for european glory. Should i keep him as he is one of my leading players or is 70 million a good price? I actually scouted this guy last night as he's flying high on my Portsmouth save but I'd take 70million without a shadow of a doubt. Take it and run! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akuji2012 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 thanks and sold! on your head be it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 thanks and sold! on your head be it! I'll let it be . Check where Marco Asensio, Andrija Balic, Marc Stendera, Bernado Silva, Lincoln(Gremio), Rafinha and Moreto Cassama are - they could be your replacement . Heck with the money you have check where Embolo is . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 thanks and sold! on your head be it! I have eyed up Blackburn but their debt and modest talent levels have scared me away. Not the right place for it but would be curious to read an update of your save. But I do agree with SpillBlood - that's really good money for a really good player. Very few players in the game are actually irreplaceable. Yeah, big clubs hoard the young talent and may snipe some guys you want, but that can also pay off later if they don't play, get unhappy, and get TL'd. Its just a matter of putting in the time to scout around effectively. If you've built a good scouting network, you may already have some good options like SB listed. And it never hurts to take a Southampton approach and ear-mark potential replacements before you ever sell the player you currently have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badi Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Buying/Selling: Selling Player Name: Wilfried Zaha Your Team: Crystal Palace Buyer/Seller: PSG Player's Value: 35M EUR Offer: 47M EUR total: 40.5M upfront, 6.5M over 12 months, 20% next transfer profit Transfer/Wage Budget: None Patch: 16.2 Season: 16/17 He had superb season + he is a HG.. but it's a lot of money... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Enchants Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Buying/Selling: SellingPlayer Name: Wilfried Zaha Your Team: Crystal Palace Buyer/Seller: PSG Player's Value: 35M EUR Offer: 47M EUR total: 40.5M upfront, 6.5M over 12 months, 20% next transfer profit Transfer/Wage Budget: None Patch: 16.2 Season: 16/17 He had superb season + he is a HG.. but it's a lot of money... God yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badi Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Any replacements? I thought about bringing in Vitolo (25M transfer clause) + Mertens. I have Bolasie and Carrasco already. EDIT: Alvaro Morata is transfer listed, but 68M EUR is requested. I would bring him in and move Embolo to the right. What do you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Buying/Selling: SellingPlayer Name: Wilfried Zaha Your Team: Crystal Palace Buyer/Seller: PSG Player's Value: 35M EUR Offer: 47M EUR total: 40.5M upfront, 6.5M over 12 months, 20% next transfer profit Transfer/Wage Budget: None Patch: 16.2 Season: 16/17 He had superb season + he is a HG.. but it's a lot of money... Yes! I mean if you need HG you could easily replace him with Nathan Redmond. Any replacements? I thought about bringing in Vitolo (25M transfer clause) + Mertens. I have Bolasie and Carrasco already.EDIT: Alvaro Morata is transfer listed, but 68M EUR is requested. I would bring him in and move Embolo to the right. What do you think? I'd say that's a bit expensive. I mean upfront you could try bring in Andre Silva, Rui Pedro, Jonathan Calleri, Manolo Gabbiadini, Luciano Vietto, Timo Werner, Richairo Zivkovic, Luan(depends where he's moved) and heck you'd probably get Harry Kane for cheaper. On the right you could bring in Nathan Redmond, Lucas Ocampos, Domenico Berardi, Quincy Promes, Gabriel Barbosa(depends where he's moved) etc. Morata is a good but not that sort of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Enchants Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Buying/Selling: Selling. Player Name: Romelu Lukaku. Your Team: West Ham Buyer/Seller: Manchester City. Player's Value: £37,000,000. Offer: £64,000,000. Patch: Latest. Season: January 2019. Bid made. Lukaku's attributes. It's only an initial bid so I can probably squeeze a few more pound out of them, just wondering if this would be too good to turn down. He scored 32 goals for me in the league last season, and is good for 18 in 17 appearances so far in the league this season. I've got a young striker that isn't ready yet, and Depay can play up front as I have depth on the wider forward places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graphiccoma Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Buying/Selling: Selling Player Name: theo Walcott Your Team: Arsenal Buyer/Seller: Man City Player's Value: 47.5 mil Offer: 90 mil up front Transfer/Wage Budget: 120 mil Patch: x Season: end first season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidPengilley Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Buying/Selling: SellingPlayer Name: theo Walcott Your Team: Arsenal Buyer/Seller: Man City Player's Value: 47.5 mil Offer: 90 mil up front Transfer/Wage Budget: 120 mil Patch: x Season: end first season Sell. Offering nearly double his value and Theo would be 27 turning 28. Won't have too many more seasons with him, and with that injury proneness rating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Enchants Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Buying/Selling: SellingPlayer Name: theo Walcott Your Team: Arsenal Buyer/Seller: Man City Player's Value: 47.5 mil Offer: 90 mil up front Transfer/Wage Budget: 120 mil Patch: x Season: end first season Like DavidPengilley said, sell. You could buy almost anyone to replace him and still have cash to burn. If Man City offered Arsenal £90,000,000 up front for Walcott in real life, they'd be chomping their hands off. Absolute no-brainer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Buying/Selling: Buying Player Name: David De Gea Your Team: Arsenal Buyer/Seller: Man Utd Player's Value: 22.5m Offer: 22.5m upfront + 44m over 48 months Transfer/Wage Budget: 43 mil Patch: 14.2 Season: Apr 2018 Cech is starting to get on a bit and De Gea looks like the best GK in the world. Unless anyone has any other suggestions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Enchants Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Have you had a look at whether Scuffet, Donnarumma, Dragowski or Alex Meret are available? Probably couldn't justify spending £66,500,000 on a goalkeeper, no matter how good he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Have you had a look at whether Scuffet, Donnarumma, Dragowski or Alex Meret are available?Probably couldn't justify spending £66,500,000 on a goalkeeper, no matter how good he is. Predrag Rajkovic, Geronimo Rulli, Jack Butland, Jan Oblak, Bernd Leno, Marc-Andre ter Stegen and Timo Horn too name a few more. 100% no. Way too much money on a goalkeeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Thanks all. Of those mentioned, only Oblak runs him close. I'll see how much he'd cost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Enchants Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Donnarumma will still be developing at this point, but he's turned out class in my save,\. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Donnarumma would be 36m, Oblek 17.5m, so I'm leaning towards Oblek. Having said that, GK is the only position I need any investment so I may as well spend all my money there... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Donnarumma would be 36m, Oblek 17.5m, so I'm leaning towards Oblek. Having said that, GK is the only position I need any investment so I may as well spend all my money there... Oblek would be a steal for that. Donn has huge potential, he has potiential to be better than Rajkovic on my save who's brilliant. Milan don't seem to help him get to it though . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneRomney Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Buying/Selling: Selling Player Name: Diego Costa Your Team: Chelsea Buyer/Seller:Man City Player's Value: €49m Offer: €75m - Transfer/Wage Budget: €50m/1.05 mill left to spend. Patch: Latest Season: 16/17 Background: took over Chelsea midway through first season when JM got the boot. The style of play is not suited for DC and he is very inconsistent - bagging 12 goals in 33 matches. Roman kinda killed the party when he gave me "only" 50m to rebuild the team, when I need to buy some very good defenders etc. I also received an offer of 77 million for Matic - who'll turn 28 this season. He's exceptionally good, but I can't turn down that? Who would you buy to replace him? I can't find any standout DMs right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneronaldo Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Buying/Selling: SellingPlayer Name: Diego Costa Your Team: Chelsea Buyer/Seller:Man City Player's Value: €49m Offer: €75m - Transfer/Wage Budget: €50m/1.05 mill left to spend. Patch: Latest Season: 16/17 Background: took over Chelsea midway through first season when JM got the boot. The style of play is not suited for DC and he is very inconsistent - bagging 12 goals in 33 matches. Roman kinda killed the party when he gave me "only" 50m to rebuild the team, when I need to buy some very good defenders etc. I also received an offer of 77 million for Matic - who'll turn 28 this season. He's exceptionally good, but I can't turn down that? Who would you buy to replace him? I can't find any standout DMs right now. Pack Costa off, and Matic can follow him too. Thats over 150m for you replace them, actually to hell with that, with 150m I could revamp the entire squad:lol: For replacement DMs since you have shedload of cash once you sell those 2, look at the usual suspects of Lucas Romero, Blaise Matuidi, or if you want a purely defensive minded one Lars Bender (or his slightly inferior twin Sven) are both excellent as Anchor Mans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowieinspace Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Buying/Selling: SellingPlayer Name: Diego Costa Your Team: Chelsea Buyer/Seller:Man City Player's Value: €49m Offer: €75m - Transfer/Wage Budget: €50m/1.05 mill left to spend. Patch: Latest Season: 16/17 Background: took over Chelsea midway through first season when JM got the boot. The style of play is not suited for DC and he is very inconsistent - bagging 12 goals in 33 matches. Roman kinda killed the party when he gave me "only" 50m to rebuild the team, when I need to buy some very good defenders etc. I also received an offer of 77 million for Matic - who'll turn 28 this season. He's exceptionally good, but I can't turn down that? Who would you buy to replace him? I can't find any standout DMs right now. Yup no brainer for me there, that's a lot of cash and you will find replacements who fit the bill. Bender is a great option if he's reasonably priced who will be a good first team player while you continue to scout out young options Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneRomney Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Thanks guys. Will fire up FM for an hour now and see if L Bender is available. I'm looking for someone like that, mostly defensive qualities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badi Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 God yes. Well I tried to but I won't sell him it seems... Just because of... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca72 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Dilemma time... Buying/Selling: Selling Player Name: Alex Oxlade Chamberlain Your Team: Leeds Buyer/Seller:PSG Player's Value: £33m Offer: £69m - ash upfrontTransfer/Wage Budget: £69m left plus this money Patch: Latest Season: 2020 He's just got into the world team of the year and has been outstanding. Can't really find anyone to replace him, Madrid want £90m for Odegaard and City want £100m+ for Sterling. £69m is an awful lot of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Enchants Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 He's one of, if not the best English winger in my save. It really is a dilemma. I wouldn't purely because you don't need the money and he should only be 25/26 which means he's entering his prime. Yer, I wouldn't. Maybe look to see how Ibe has developed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca72 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 He's one of, if not the best English winger in my save. It really is a dilemma.I wouldn't purely because you don't need the money and he should only be 25/26 which means he's entering his prime. Yer, I wouldn't. Maybe look to see how Ibe has developed. He's been magnificent. Ibe is on the transfer list for a measly £12m, but has hardly played any football and his lack of determination, concentration and bravery put me off. I think you're right, I'm going to reject it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badi Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Dilemma time...Buying/Selling: Selling Player Name: Alex Oxlade Chamberlain Your Team: Leeds Buyer/Seller:PSG Player's Value: £33m Offer: £69m - ash upfrontTransfer/Wage Budget: £69m left plus this money Patch: Latest Season: 2020 He's just got into the world team of the year and has been outstanding. Can't really find anyone to replace him, Madrid want £90m for Odegaard and City want £100m+ for Sterling. £69m is an awful lot of money. WHat about Embolo, Vela, Luan, Ocampos, Gerson? If you can't get any of them cheaper, then I wouldn't sell... You don't really need money, so if you can't make enough profit after getting a replacement, then stick with Ox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca72 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Already got Embolo, he plays AMC. Vela I won't touch as his teamwork and work rate are non existent, Luan is no cheaper. Gerson lacks determination. Ocampos is the only one I'd consider... I'm sticking with Ox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Dilemma time...Buying/Selling: Selling Player Name: Alex Oxlade Chamberlain Your Team: Leeds Buyer/Seller:PSG Player's Value: £33m Offer: £69m - ash upfrontTransfer/Wage Budget: £69m left plus this money Patch: Latest Season: 2020 He's just got into the world team of the year and has been outstanding. Can't really find anyone to replace him, Madrid want £90m for Odegaard and City want £100m+ for Sterling. £69m is an awful lot of money. No, you couldn't replace him. Only Redmond could come close and he still isn't Ox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badi Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Already got Embolo, he plays AMC.Vela I won't touch as his teamwork and work rate are non existent, Luan is no cheaper. Gerson lacks determination. Ocampos is the only one I'd consider... I'm sticking with Ox. Well, Embolo works wonders on MR/AMR with Martial infront. You could also check Lincoln from Gremio to play AMC and move Embolo. But yeh it might be too much efford. Better stick with Ox Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badi Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Well... My turn. Buying/Selling: Buying Player Name: Andre Gomes Your Team: Crystal Palace Buyer/Seller: Valencia Player's Value: 16.75M EUR Offer: 50M EUR total: 22.5M upfront, 18M over 48 months, 4.8M after 50 league apps, 4.8M after 10 league goals Transfer/Wage Budget: 49M EUR Patch: 16.2 Season: 2016/17 January window. Background: Money is not a problem. I loaned Wilshere in pre-season but he is injury prone and been out for 3 months and managed to play only 5 matches, so I would get rid of him and get offensive minded midfielder, but 50M is a lot. I coudl get Pastore for 37M EUR cause he is transfer listed. Do you think I should go for it or rather check someone else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebirdscott Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Buying/Selling: Buying Player Name: Jan Oblak Your Team: Cardiff City Buyer/Seller: At. Madrid Player's Value: £4.2mil Offer: £10-15mil Transfer/Wage Budget: £150m Patch: 16.2 Season: Summer 2017. OR Buying/Selling: Buying Player Name: Asmir Begovic Your Team: Cardiff City Buyer/Seller: Chelsea Player's Value: £11.5mil Offer: £6mil Transfer/Wage Budget: £150m Patch: 16.2 Season: Summer 2017. I finished 3rd with Cardiff in my second season after winning promotion. I currently have Begovic on loan, as well as Valdes, Alisson and david Marshall. Valdes and Marshall are leaving, but I also have Dragowski as a youngster. Begovic has done well whilst on loan. Who do I go for? I do I trust Alisson as my number 1 heading into CL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Enchants Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Personally I'd spend the extra cash and go for Jan Oblak. Sell him on in a few years when Dragowski is matured and ready to take over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezread79 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Buying/Selling: Buying Player Name: moussa Dembele Your Team: Wolves Buyer/Seller: Fulham Player's Value: £2.5m Offer: £8m Transfer/Wage Budget: £9m Patch: 16.2 Season: July 2015 Is Dembele any good? Can he go on to be world class? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Enchants Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 This is what he looks like in July 2019. edit: probably worth £8,000,000 but I'm pretty sure you can pick him up on a free transfer at the end of the season if you can wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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