Pairs & Combinations FM2015 - UPDATED

[Jean0987654321]

Hey llama it's been a while. Been a little bit since I've been on here and since I last played FM

I figured if I was gonna get back into things, a good start would be with some advice on my setup.

This is what I've decided to give a try. What do you think?

RVP should be an SS(a) or put right next to Falcao. He is not good for a playmaker role. I think everything else is okay tho. I played Rooney as a BBM and he was effective

[aderow]

I wasn't asking about the players mate. They're just placeholders. Was just curious about the roles. But thank you for the response

Edit: though given what you said about, I figure it wouldn't hurt for me to try out a treq instead of an AP-a. Should be interesting.

[isignedupfornorealreason]

I wasn't asking about the players mate. They're just placeholders. Was just curious about the roles. But thank you for the response

Edit: though given what you said about, I figure it wouldn't hurt for me to try out a treq instead of an AP-a. Should be interesting.

The wings are rubbish imo.

Edit: To clarify they're all too predictable. Needs more variety of roles and a different distribution of attack/support duties imo.

[aderow]

I figured asking them to sit narrow and roam would make them less predictable. They also have cut inside.

[Kamakazeee]

Won't sitting them narrow lose your width? I don't problem with your wingers tbh, maybe have one cut in? I used wide midfielders at Arsenal in a 4-4-2 system, Sanchez and Campbell got around 30 goals between them over the season with around 20 assists. My back up players also waded in around 15 goals, so predictable or not, which I dont think they are, its effective.

Also in a 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 you need protection for you wingers, and the Wide midfielder offers that.

[instupituous]

Can I get some insight into how to improve my team? Defensively I can be a bit shaky but there are a few players who seem to be underperforming. I have a few issues with my attacking options so if I can get some advice on how I can mix things up even more, TI/PI I am open to suggestion.

----------GK----------

WB[a]--------CD[d]----------CD[d]----------WB[a]

----------DM[d]----------

----------CM[a]----------DLP{s}----------

----------W-----------------------------------------------------IF[a}----------

----------CF[s}----------

To help put this into perspective I will say I am Chelsea, and list my team as follows.

Courtois

Azpili

Terry

Cahill

Filipe

Matic

Oscar (CMa)

Fabregas {DLPs}

William [Ws}

Hazard [iFa}

Costa {CFs}

I play with Standard/Control and use the TI's

Retain Possession

Shorter Passing

Work Ball Into Box

I am not particularly confident with setting up TI's as a lot of them, and indeed most of football manager cannot simply be taken for face value and despite loving the game I don't have a footballing brain. Reading this guide has helped me make a half decent tactic but I know it can be better!

I like the idea of good build up with my passing options in the middle but also want to utilise the pace and work ethic of my attacking options and sometimes get myself completely shut out of games with only fantastic individual skill/luck getting me out of sticky situations. I completely understand that it does happen, but I feel with the team I have got I should have more than enough options to keep a lot of teams on the back foot.

Fabregas is underperforming and I think matic may have too much work on his plate. Would switching Fabregas with Oscar give him more space, is Hazard choking Fabregas' space to work?

I have tried to make this solid yet dangerous but my defence doesn't seem to be doing a very good job. I have conceded some of the most corners in the league which is also a concern of mine

From what I have shown you, how can I shore up my defence some more while still giving me enough variety in attack?

Any help would be appreciated.

(I am 2nd in the league, which is decent but I am seeing patterns in my poor performance so would rather address them now than wait for my luck to run out!)

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[aderow]

I made a couple changes. I switched the AP-a to a Treq and I changed to the fullbacks to FB-a for width.

So what I'm currently messing around with is this:

--------CF-s

---------T-a

WM-a BBM-s DLP-d WM-a

-FB-a CD-d CD-d FB-a

I know using 2 FB-a's seems risky but DLP-d drops down by the CBs quite a bit so I should be fine in that regard. So the FB-a can provide width considering my WMs are set to cut inside/sit narrow/roam from position.

[LeedsUnitedForLife]

I made a couple changes. I switched the AP-a to a Treq and I changed to the fullbacks to FB-a for width.

So what I'm currently messing around with is this:

--------CF-s

---------T-a

WM-a BBM-s DLP-d WM-a

-FB-a CD-d CD-d FB-a

I know using 2 FB-a's seems risky but DLP-d drops down by the CBs quite a bit so I should be fine in that regard. So the FB-a can provide width considering my WMs are set to cut inside/sit narrow/roam from position.

Id put the wide man next to the DLP to wm - support and the left full back to support

[Klajwert]

I have a question about so, can a DLP role suit WELL to a possesion syle? I'm talking aboutgetting the most out of Samper. I've played him as a Regista in 4-2-3-1DM formation and he played well in terms of attack, but he was often leaving a gap behind him that cannot be covered only by anchor man and as long, as I have perfect inside forwards on both sides I need to provide width from full backs. thats the reason why I can't play them mostly as a defence cover.

this season I really need to change my formation to a 4-1-2-2-1. my first idea was to play exactly like in the guide but there are some things that really concerns me. so if I want to play with two IF on Attack duty i need to play my full backs on attack duty too. Will DM on Defend duty provide enough cover? I can play him as a half back so when losing my ball the team has more width in defence giving some time for FB to come back from attack, but is it a good idea to play high press game with HB in dm role? wont that leave very big gap between more attacking players pressing right after losing ball and my defence sitting deeper?

and in the end, as long as I'm big Barca fan I have one solution to this but I have completely no idea how to implement this. Henry earlier or Neymar right know tend to stretch the play in a form that I love the most - till some point they're acting as a Winger but when they almost reach the end line they go inside and give a low cross or very nice pass to players that comes from deep areas. it would have been a perfect solution because now I can put my full back on a support duty so he will go high up but wont do much runs, and instead provide passing option for IF that cant go inside or make a low cross. He will also provide a cover for midfielder that will run high.

any idea on how should I make this into my game? Winger cant cut inside, wide target man will destroy my passing play from the back. I'm really struggling

[Double0Seven]

I can definitely tell you that a DM on defend will shield the midfield enough. Just get one of the two midfielder in front of him to help out a bit in defense. I tend to use a BBM, a simple CM or a DLP. In this formation its important not to lose the ball in midfield. Especially the DM or one of the deeper MC.

You have wing backs flying up the pitch and if you lose the ball too fast they will not be able to recover in time. Teams with fast players and two strikers up front will take advantage of this. Don't be too defensive, you are barca after all.

[Klajwert]

Im not Barca exactly but with my team i should really have no problem playing possesion football. Perfect if's and Samper may be misleading

Yeah, loosing the ball in the middle can be most dangerous and thats why im thinking if dlp is a good option? Wont he be too direct? Thats the last thing i should check.

After your post I'm thinking more about Roaming Playmaker. He should provide some defence support, he wont get himself into the penalty box. Sergi Roberto will do that while Motta will be sitting deeper.

Anyway, thanks for responding!

So it will look like this:

SW-GK (d)

WB (a)

DC (d)

DC (d)

WB (a)

DM (d) - with PI to pass the ball shorter propably?

RP (s)

CM (a)

IF (a) x2

F9 (s)

Be aware Serie A! Sassuolo coming again

[Jean0987654321]

Too many guys on attacking. Maybe set the WBs to support and change that CM to a BBM. As that RP can be caught out of position

[Klajwert]

I've sticked with wb on attack but made the second CM BBM as you've said. It seems to work pretty well. 4:0 vs Cluj, 4:0 against Anderlech. that's the scores in first 2 matches. midfield doing exactly what I want and I could't even imagine earlier that my wing backs will provide so great support. 5 from this 8 goals came from their assists.

finally I have core tactic. now it will only get better thanks a lot, mates!

[LeedsUnitedForLife]

For a lower league team could a flat 4-5-1 work such as

G Defend

Wing back (S) CD (D) CD (D) Wing Back (S)

Winger (A) CM (D) CM (A) CM (D) Winger (A)

DLF (S)

or is that way to basic?

[llama3]

For a lower league team could a flat 4-5-1 work such as

G Defend

Wing back (S) CD (D) CD (D) Wing Back (S)

Winger (A) CM (D) CM (A) CM (D) Winger (A)

DLF (S)

or is that way to basic?

You need another support duty in central midfield to replace a defend duty. You could also do with more variety on the flanks. Going "basic" isn't necessarily the way to go because its lower league. You will still have players with comparative strengths and weaknesses compared to those around them in the league.

[LeedsUnitedForLife]

You need another support duty in central midfield to replace a defend duty. You could also do with more variety on the flanks. Going "basic" isn't necessarily the way to go because its lower league. You will still have players with comparative strengths and weaknesses compared to those around them in the league.

Ok going to put the left CM onto BTB on support and the right hand side to WM on S with the full back behind A behind the S and S behind the A

[LeedsUnitedForLife]

Still jabing troubles with a flat 4-4-2 one getting enough creative wide and two with the strikers not defending. maybe use a andvanced playmaker on attack and a Defensive forward on defend?

[Daniele77]

Hi llama,

A little question about "pairs and combination article"

In the fm14 version you said that is not a good idea to use a wb/a winger/s combo cause this will concede lots of counter attack, but in the fm15 version at page 14 or 15 you include that combo anyway.

I'm using a 4231 on the left I use a wb/s Remdeuter/a combo, what do you think about the combo on the right side (obviously protected in the middle by a cm/d)?

[llama3]

It will concede space in behind on the flanks, but to be honest in fairness lots of other legitimate systems will do that too. I still don't like the prospect of them occupying the same space, but it's personal choice.

As for recommending for the right side - what team, what players, what else have you decided on, what style of play, etc etc?

[steve dewilde]

Evening, would be very kind to have some feedbacks on my Chelsea tactic, looking to play high press, possession and having the best use of Hazard, Costa and Matic, pretty happy so far won all friendlies but i guess still some room for improvement or maybe mistakes in roles and duties.

any critic is welcome

http://prntscr.com/6cdlk7

http://prntscr.com/6cdngm

PI:

DLF: shoot less, roam, closedown much more

IF: close dow more, tackle harder, roam, shoot less

AM: shoot, less tackle harder, roam, pass it shorter, close down much more

Winger: closedown, more, tackle harder, roam

AP-s: tackle harder, tight marking, roam, pass it shorter

cm-s: shoot less, tackle harder, closedown more,mark tighter, cross from deep, move into channels : big ? as Matic is beast well used, any advice drop in dm spot? role duty ? bit lost (i know rating for this kind of position is low but still i guess he could be used better)

FB auto (left): shoot less, close down more,tackle harder, further forward

FB support (right): same as FB auto

both dc: tackle harder, mark tight, pass it shorter

Is there any point also creating a 433 (with DM) and a 4141 based on the above 4231 to get more options when facing different formations ? if yes any start point?

thanks in advance

[LeedsUnitedForLife]

with my brisbane roar

this is what i have atm can someone help to see what to tweak 4 - 3- 3- DM wide

SK on support

Wing back - Support Central Defender - Defend Central Defender - Cover Wing Back - Attack

Half Back - Defend

Central Midfielder - Attack Ball Winning Midfilder - Defend

Inside Forward out wide - Attack Advanced Playmaker out wide - Support

False Nine - Support

[Jean0987654321]

Evening, would be very kind to have some feedbacks on my Chelsea tactic, looking to play high press, possession and having the best use of Hazard, Costa and Matic, pretty happy so far won all friendlies but i guess still some room for improvement or maybe mistakes in roles and duties. any critic is welcome http://prntscr.com/6cdlk7 http://prntscr.com/6cdngm PI: DLF: shoot less, roam, closedown much more IF: close dow more, tackle harder, roam, shoot less AM: shoot, less tackle harder, roam, pass it shorter, close down much more Winger: closedown, more, tackle harder, roam AP-s: tackle harder, tight marking, roam, pass it shorter cm-s: shoot less, tackle harder, closedown more,mark tighter, cross from deep, move into channels : big ? as Matic is beast well used, any advice drop in dm spot? role duty ? bit lost (i know rating for this kind of position is low but still i guess he could be used better) FB auto (left): shoot less, close down more,tackle harder, further forward FB support (right): same as FB auto both dc: tackle harder, mark tight, pass it shorter Is there any point also creating a 433 (with DM) and a 4141 based on the above 4231 to get more options when facing different formations ? if yes any start point? thanks in advance

I think think that Right back should be a FB (a), and that the left back should be WB (s) with Stay Wider as a PI. You don't want your wide men to occupy the same space

[Jean0987654321]

with my brisbane roar this is what i have atm can someone help to see what to tweak 4 - 3- 3- DM wide SK on support Wing back - Support Central Defender - Defend Central Defender - Cover Wing Back - Attack Half Back - Defend Central Midfielder - Attack Ball Winning Midfilder - Defend Inside Forward out wide - Attack Advanced Playmaker out wide - Support False Nine - Support

That BWM should be a CM (s), or a BBM or RP. You only need one guy on defend. Everything else is fine

[Daniele77]

It will concede space in behind on the flanks, but to be honest in fairness lots of other legitimate systems will do that too. I still don't like the prospect of them occupying the same space, but it's personal choice.

As for recommending for the right side - what team, what players, what else have you decided on, what style of play, etc etc?

Ok, my system:

Gk/d

Wb/a bpd/d cd/d wb/s

cmd/d dlpm/s (on the midfield line not on the dm line)

W/s apm/s rd/a

Af/a

I play a possession based football, short pass/build play from defence/tight marking/hard tackling (my defense should be one on best in the league), control/fluid. My team is Wolfsburg, the board expectations are an Europa league qualification but I know I could get more from the team.

I spotted some problem: the team create many chance (often 30 shots per match) but tends to collapse after a lead or in the second half when cpu tend to be more aggressive changing is formation. Switching to counter attack (without using tight marking and hard tackle) sometimes I preserve the result, but I shouldn't suffer like I do.

I've seen that often the af tends to be isolated, and the Remdeuter tends to score rarely then I expect.

What do you suggest? I was thinking about a change of fluidity (balanced) that could fit better to a multi strata formation with some specialist, or switching the apm/s to an apm/a with a completeforward/s.

Waiting for your reply,

Daniele

[LeedsUnitedForLife]

That BWM should be a CM (s), or a BBM or RP. You only need one guy on defend. Everything else is fine

so with my advanced playmaker on support will he cut inside and allow room for the wing back on attack to overlap?

[LeedsUnitedForLife]

think i may go a BTB as i already have a AP dont hink i need another playmaker

[llama3]

Evening, would be very kind to have some feedbacks on my Chelsea tactic, looking to play high press, possession and having the best use of Hazard, Costa and Matic, pretty happy so far won all friendlies but i guess still some room for improvement or maybe mistakes in roles and duties.

any critic is welcome

http://prntscr.com/6cdlk7

http://prntscr.com/6cdngm

PI:

DLF: shoot less, roam, closedown much more

IF: close dow more, tackle harder, roam, shoot less

AM: shoot, less tackle harder, roam, pass it shorter, close down much more

Winger: closedown, more, tackle harder, roam

AP-s: tackle harder, tight marking, roam, pass it shorter

cm-s: shoot less, tackle harder, closedown more,mark tighter, cross from deep, move into channels : big ? as Matic is beast well used, any advice drop in dm spot? role duty ? bit lost (i know rating for this kind of position is low but still i guess he could be used better)

FB auto (left): shoot less, close down more,tackle harder, further forward

FB support (right): same as FB auto

both dc: tackle harder, mark tight, pass it shorter

Is there any point also creating a 433 (with DM) and a 4141 based on the above 4231 to get more options when facing different formations ? if yes any start point?

thanks in advance

You have no proper defensive ability in midfield. The central pair in a 4-2-3-1 are meant to be defensive and disciplined. For those players I would look at Fabregas and Matic and say "Roaming Playmaker" and "Central Midfielder - Defend". You don't have a good relationship between your Full Backs and Wide men. Your FB(auto) is not a great player to link up and provide width. Finally an AM(S) and DLF(A) is a really static pairing. You have a lot of player and team instructions. You have a lot of PI's - if you are using that many, then you probably want a different role instead. About 4-5 key Team Instructions are necessary, you have far too many.

with my brisbane roar

this is what i have atm can someone help to see what to tweak 4 - 3- 3- DM wide

SK on support

Wing back - Support Central Defender - Defend Central Defender - Cover Wing Back - Attack

Half Back - Defend

Central Midfielder - Attack Ball Winning Midfilder - Defend

Inside Forward out wide - Attack Advanced Playmaker out wide - Support

False Nine - Support

Looks ok, would just consider swapping BWM(D) & CM(A) to opposite sides. Gives CM(A) more room to attack.

Ok, my system:

Gk/d

Wb/a bpd/d cd/d wb/s

cmd/d dlpm/s (on the midfield line not on the dm line)

W/s apm/s rd/a

Af/a

I play a possession based football, short pass/build play from defence/tight marking/hard tackling (my defense should be one on best in the league), control/fluid. My team is Wolfsburg, the board expectations are an Europa league qualification but I know I could get more from the team.

I spotted some problem: the team create many chance (often 30 shots per match) but tends to collapse after a lead or in the second half when cpu tend to be more aggressive changing is formation. Switching to counter attack (without using tight marking and hard tackle) sometimes I preserve the result, but I shouldn't suffer like I do.

I've seen that often the af tends to be isolated, and the Remdeuter tends to score rarely then I expect.

What do you suggest? I was thinking about a change of fluidity (balanced) that could fit better to a multi strata formation with some specialist, or switching the apm/s to an apm/a with a completeforward/s.

Waiting for your reply,

Daniele

Your AF is isolated and Raumdeuter doesn't score much - give the RMD space to attack by getting the AF to drop deeper and link up. I would consider if you get the AF dropping deep, maybe get the AMC to drift wide. Your defensive 6 is good. Although a 4-2-3-1 is built for pressing, you undoubtedly have major problems trying to sit off as you leave space down the flanks, and behind your defence for opponents to attack.

[Brasmuss]

Hi guys.....awesome thread.

I was hopeing for some advice regarding my tactic. Things are going okay, but my player potential suggest I should hope for a little bit more.

Im playing Control Very Fluid.

---SK-S---

--CD-D--CD-D--

WB-S-DM-D-WB-S

--AP-S--CM-S

--------------------

CFW-A-CFW-A-CFW-A

PI:

CD: Pass it shorter

WB: Shoot Less, Close Down More, Cross Aim Center

CM: Shoot Less, Dribble Less, Close Down more

AP: Dribble Less, Close Down more

Team Instructions:

Shorter Passing

Work Ball Into box

Play out of defense

play narrower

push higher up

roam from positions

Close down more

Get stuck in

Use Offside trap

Higher Tempo

Be more expressive

Thanks in advance for your suggestions

[LeedsUnitedForLife]

what i dont get is the guide at the end of this suggestion of a 4-1-2-2-1 looks so unbalanced i mean two inside forwards on attack and two wings backs on attack? what happened to to contrasting wide men. and another CM on attack as well so five of the 10 players on attack. seems fishy to me?

[Jazz]

what i dont get is the guide at the end of this suggestion of a 4-1-2-2-1 looks so unbalanced i mean two inside forwards on attack and two wings backs on attack? what happened to to contrasting wide men. and another CM on attack as well so five of the 10 players on attack. seems fishy to me?

Both IFa will cut inside the pitch leaving loads of room and space out wide, you can utilise this with having WBa's bombing up the pitch to the wide area not only creating more passing outlets for your front 3 but also make the fullbacks decide, should they follow the IF and let the WB bath in plenty of space or stay out wide with the WB, but let the IF cut inside without having to think about that fullback following him.

[llama3]

Hi guys.....awesome thread.

I was hopeing for some advice regarding my tactic. Things are going okay, but my player potential suggest I should hope for a little bit more.

Im playing Control Very Fluid.

---SK-S---

--CD-D--CD-D--

WB-S-DM-D-WB-S

--AP-S--CM-S

--------------------

CFW-A-CFW-A-CFW-A

PI:

CD: Pass it shorter

WB: Shoot Less, Close Down More, Cross Aim Center

CM: Shoot Less, Dribble Less, Close Down more

AP: Dribble Less, Close Down more

Team Instructions:

Shorter Passing

Work Ball Into box

Play out of defense

play narrower

push higher up

roam from positions

Close down more

Get stuck in

Use Offside trap

Higher Tempo

Be more expressive

Thanks in advance for your suggestions

You central midfield is too conservative - you have 2 passers that won't get forward enough, and your attack will be disjointed, as the MC's stay in the middle and the CF(A)'s all try to push too high. Get an attack duty in an MC position, and get a support duty in 1 of the ST positions.

You have a lot of team instructions too, why so many? What are you trying to achieve with them all?

what i dont get is the guide at the end of this suggestion of a 4-1-2-2-1 looks so unbalanced i mean two inside forwards on attack and two wings backs on attack? what happened to to contrasting wide men. and another CM on attack as well so five of the 10 players on attack. seems fishy to me?

Both IFa will cut inside the pitch leaving loads of room and space out wide, you can utilise this with having WBa's bombing up the pitch to the wide area not only creating more passing outlets for your front 3 but also make the fullbacks decide, should they follow the IF and let the WB bath in plenty of space or stay out wide with the WB, but let the IF cut inside without having to think about that fullback following him.

LUFL - Jazz explains this perfectly. You will notice the F9 creates room for the IF's to cut inside and attack, the IF's create room for the WB's to attack, and a CM(A) has good roaming, so can drift into penetrating forward or lateral space.

[Brasmuss]

You central midfield is too conservative - you have 2 passers that won't get forward enough, and your attack will be disjointed, as the MC's stay in the middle and the CF(A)'s all try to push too high. Get an attack duty in an MC position, and get a support duty in 1 of the ST positions.

You have a lot of team instructions too, why so many? What are you trying to achieve with them all?

Im trying to shape the way I want to play. Is it better with fewer than many team instructions?

[Kamakazeee]

There isn't a right or wrong answer, I have had decent tactics with with as few as two instructions but then a lot, just make sure you don't go overkill. Therefore, whatever you need to get your desired style is the right answer, I find starting with a few and then add or replace as you see fit. Though, saying that the less you have the easier it is to realise what is actually working and what isn't.

[messinho]

Please delete previous post I change my tactic: Now is:

G (D)

FB (A) CD(D) CD(D) FB (S)

RGA (S)

BWM (D) AP(A)

IF (A) W(S)

AF (A)

I use "control" and "structured"

Team instruction - Short passing, pass into space, whipped crosses, exploit flanks, play wider, close down more, get stuck in, prevent short gk distrubution, lower tempo and more disciplined.

[llama3]

You need to ask yourself who is going to use that space in the middle of the park (AMC kind of area), is your striker going to get isolated and do you lack penetration on the left side with only 2 x support duties.

[messinho]

So, maybe i change forward to deep-lying forward (support) and he use that space? And set left winger duty to attack or maybe change to IF(A)?

[llama3]

Logical thoughts - try them and see how they work. Not every logical system always works though - sometimes with that certain group of players it doesn't quite "click" even when the parts look fine. So you need to be prepared to have an experiment and think outside the box.

[Jean0987654321]

Please delete previous post I change my tactic: Now is:

G (D)

FB (A) CD(D) CD(D) FB (S)

RGA (S)

BWM (D) AP(A)

IF (A) W(S)

AF (A)

I use "control" and "structured"

Team instruction - Short passing, pass into space, whipped crosses, exploit flanks, play wider, close down more, get stuck in, prevent short gk distrubution, lower tempo and more disciplined.

I would reverse the roles of those FBs and set that RB to WB to try to stretch that defense (I assume thats what you want to do in your TI). Maybe you can get that AF working but hes gonna need the proper service from the wings and the RGA and AP(a).

[messinho]

I would reverse the roles of those FBs and set that RB to WB to try to stretch that defense (I assume thats what you want to do in your TI). Maybe you can get that AF working but hes gonna need the proper service from the wings and the RGA and AP(a).

Thanks, but now it looks that

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My team play better (not perfectly, but during winter break i try to change something). The main problem is the loss of the crosses goals (too many for me), but I think this is due to an offensive minded defenders

[LeedsUnitedForLife]

Could this outragious 4-4-2 flat work for possession or just to many playmakers/

SK on support

CWB - Attack CD - Defend CD - Defend CWB - Attack

Wide Playmaker - support Advanced playmaker - attack Deep lying playmaker - defend Wide playmaker - support

False nine - support Complete forward - attack

was thinking like man city or would all thos playmakers get in the way of each other? i just want to try to get a 4-4-2 playing good possession...

[Mr.Delph]

Try it?

Maybe use WM with duties to cut inside.

[Gee_Simpson]

Could this outragious 4-4-2 flat work for possession or just to many playmakers/

SK on support

CWB - Attack CD - Defend CD - Defend CWB - Attack

Wide Playmaker - support Advanced playmaker - attack Deep lying playmaker - defend Wide playmaker - support

False nine - support Complete forward - attack

was thinking like man city or would all thos playmakers get in the way of each other? i just want to try to get a 4-4-2 playing good possession...

You need to stop asking so many questions and test these things yourself. It's becoming a common theme in every thread you post in and more people are picking up on it. It's becoming tiresome to read tbh.

[LeedsUnitedForLife]

come on just give me some feedbacj

[danthemanwhocan]

I tend to play my favorite tactic which is

Gk- D

LB/FB/S

CD- D

CD-D

RB-FB-S

DM-DM-D

CM-A

CM-DLP-S

RW-W-S

ST-F9-S

LW-RM/IF-A

I like to keep posession and control mentality.

Any suggestions?

I think in terms of balance it's pretty balanced, I think I might have too many up top on support duty?

[Jean0987654321]

I tend to play my favorite tactic which is

Gk- D

LB/FB/S

CD- D

CD-D

RB-FB-S

DM-DM-D

CM-A

CM-DLP-S

RW-W-S

ST-F9-S

LW-RM/IF-A

I like to keep posession and control mentality.

Any suggestions?

I think in terms of balance it's pretty balanced, I think I might have too many up top on support duty?

That left side is gonna be interesting as two of the wide men might occupy the same space. You can set that LB to WB to prevent that. Also, that right back can be set to attack to balance out the roles. Everything else is fine

[Jean0987654321]

Could this outragious 4-4-2 flat work for possession or just to many playmakers/

SK on support

CWB - Attack CD - Defend CD - Defend CWB - Attack

Wide Playmaker - support Advanced playmaker - attack Deep lying playmaker - defend Wide playmaker - support

False nine - support Complete forward - attack

was thinking like man city or would all thos playmakers get in the way of each other? i just want to try to get a 4-4-2 playing good possession...

I guess, but I think a 4-4-2 diamond (wide or narrow) works better for possession retention as the triangles are present already to help keep possession.

[LeedsUnitedForLife]

I guess, but I think a 4-4-2 diamond (wide or narrow) works better for possession retention as the triangles are present already to help keep possession.

yeah true just thought for something different . thank you for ya help;

[ambi!]

Hello all,

I have been having great success with a 4-3-3 tactic build around optimizing my Raumdeuter Marko Reus. Now I want to build a 4-2-3-1 for home games to optimize the talents of Reus and Mario Götze. It seems to be working ok, but I have less possession and give away more chances.

Anyone have advice to how to improve my below tactic? Thanks in advance!

GK- D

DL WBL -S (Schmelzer)

CD -D (Hummels/Ginter)

CD -D (Papastathopoulos)

DR FB -A (Piszczek/Durm)

MCR -D (Bender/Khedira) Close down less in order to keep position and lessen the gap between midfielders and defenders that 4-2-3-1 naturally has

MCL -S (Strootman/Khedira)

AMC Adv.PM -ATT (Götze) Run wide with ball to create space for the Raumdeuter

AML Raumdeuter -ATT (Reus)

AMR Winger -S (Blaszczykowski)

ST DLF -S (Volland/Ramos) Shoot less, as it is his job to hold up the ball and play through the Raumdeuter and Adv. PM

Control

Push higher up

Close down more

Work ball into box

Play through balls

[llama3]

It all looks a bit static in there. The Winger stays wide playing early crosses, but nobody is in the box early in the move, the forward is trying to come deep instead. I'm not convinced of the logic there. The DLF drops into the AMC's way.

[Jean0987654321]

The only way that formation would work if the DLF is on CF (a). At least he will do it all there. Play deep then attack like a Poacher