Heath Matthias Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I think there is also a way to always make them amateur in the basic editor. I seem to remember that as a team setting at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicmastermind124 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 The setting is there to make them amateur but that does not stop them from changing their status in the future. Also should takeovers be happening? Because in the season I tested this I was taken over and had an investment of ~$1.5m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytiger69 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Can't wait to see this in its full glory. KUTGW! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t27 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 is there any way to get this converted for fm 12 as i dont have fm 13 yet and probaly wont be getting it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Matthias Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Yeah was thinking about takeovers as well. I don't think there is a way to prevent it, but you could think of it as the college getting a new Athletic Director, and more investment from the boosters (so improved facilities, etc). Since that happens in real life, I'm ok with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 Wasn't is possible to stop all takeovers in a nation except those from within, i.e. chairman leaves and another board member takes over. I remember doing something like this when I tried this for FM11. I think it was an edt file. I'll check this out later when I get a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie McMahon's Secret Lover Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 is there any way to get this converted for fm 12 as i dont have fm 13 yet and probaly wont be getting it No mate it's a completely different database. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t27 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Paul could you send me your data please so i can create this for fm 12 for my own personal use if you could to lakeplacidkid@aol.com if you would please if at all possible thanks t27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acanhestro Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Does the NCAA inter-conference counts for something? Like playoff qualification? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 Paul could you send me your data please so i can create this for fm 12 for my own personal use if you could to lakeplacidkid@aol.com if you would please if at all possible thanks t27 The data is what it is in this download and will not work with FM12 However, I did start doing this for FM12 last year so might have some FM12 data on my old comp. I'll have a look when I get a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 Does the NCAA inter-conference counts for something? Like playoff qualification? In FM11 I did it that inter-conference groups counted towards NCAA championship. This year I've kept it simple and qualification is through normal conference or conference championships. So inter-conference dont count for any qualification at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themodelcitizen Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 If anyone wants to contribute to a detailed NCAA database they're working on one over at FMNorthAmerica. I tend to prefer to leave the PDL instead, as the leagues tend to share a player pool to some extent. Both options are prone to bugs but it's already in the DB so I go with it. My database has the US down to PDL and some Canadian leagues with lots of player histories and stuff added to both -- though I didn't do anything with the advanced editor, so I have to defer to your NASL scheduling and stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancer890 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Good luck with this paulgerty. I loved the FM11 version and even created logos for every NCAA soccer team and a bunch of other lower league teams. Hopefully some issues like teams going semi-pro, and the age thing gets fixed. (and probably some other things) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Thanks been waiting for this, hopefully the fmnorthamerica project can build on this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 The fact that only 9 conferences generate youth players will be a big problem later on. It's strange that non of the other conferences get populated with players at the beginning of the game. There just won't be enough players to fill teams after a few years. I tested to 2020 for example and most teams had very small squads, sometimes less than 14 players. In order to combat this I'm running a test where I have left 7 conferences as they are and moved all other NCAA teams into the remaining two divisions that were the ADL (I had to use two because if I put them into one, wouldn't generate youth players so I guess there must have been too many teams). The benefit of this is that all NCAA teams start with a full squad of players, and all 204 teams get an intake of youth players at the start of every season. Also any NCAA player can be drafted to MLS. The downside is that you can only manage in 7 of the conferences, namely ACC, A10, Big East Red and Blue, B10, Ivy League and P-12. The other conferences are still there just greyed out when adding a manager. The conferences still schedule games, still record competition winnrers, still qualify for their respective post season tournaments etc. No conference awards are handed out. While it's a shame you can't control any of the teams from these other conferences, the fact the teams wouldn't have any players to start with means it would be rather unplayable anyway. I just started a test run and will leave it going today to see how the teams look after a few years and if there are enough regens to make this worthwhile and how squads in NASL, USL Pro etc look. USL PDL will still probably be a problem as NCAA players are draft protected until a certain age, and PDL has age limits for over-23s. It's important to remember that this is not a bug in the game. The US was designed to populate the MLS only through the draft and academies. Using the basic editor its possible to redo the US so all teams will get youth players, but then of course you lose everything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 By the way, I've also redone the USL Pro in my latest build to reflect the changes for the upcoming 2013 season. The 13 teams play home/away giving 24 matches plus are paired with the correct MLS Reserve side. The result of the 2 games against MLS reserve teams counts to the overall standings in USL Pro (although not in MLS Reserve league). 8 teams are in the playoffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCSUltra Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 If you need any help getting this accurate in NPSL, let me know. I can help with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 If you need any help getting this accurate in NPSL, let me know. I can help with that. Thanks it was difficult to find info on NPSL. Do you know anything about squad/match rules i.e. roster size, age limits, transfer windows etc. I found info of other leagues but not NPSL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCSUltra Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I believe it is a 26 man squad. I don't think there are any restrictions on foreign players. There were no restrictions on the transfer window; Cleveland added and dropped players throughout the season. I believe match day squad is 18, with 5 possible subs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefinn Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 is there any relegation/promotion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted January 27, 2013 Author Share Posted January 27, 2013 is there any relegation/promotion? No, the object of this edit is to represent the real life system in the US as closely as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiver Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 How did the test go? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 How did the test go? I've decided to move all NCAA teams into one division and make this a playable level under NPSL. This serves as the inter-conference games with all teams split into 17 groups of 12 teams each. This means that all NCAA teams are manageable, all of the teams generate youth players and the SuperDraft can happen from any NCAA team. The conferences are run as an "other division" and work normally qualifying teams to their post season tournament and then the NCAA DI Championship. I haven't fully tested this yet but the situation was a little better. NASL and USL Pro teams seemed by 2019 to have smallish squads, PDL was worse as I expected. NCAA teams didn't have so many ineligible overage players but most teams still had a few. I've also redone the NASL and USL Pro so that in 2014 the relevant teams are added. I haven't updated the US Open Cup yet, but that shouldn't be too hard. I'm going to run another test tonight to see how squads will look after a few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiver Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Can't wait for that to be out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Matthias Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Really interested in this one paulgerty. Let us know how the test goes, would love to check it out. The PDL is tricky, since you can't get teams to play on 2 different teams, which they do since many NCAA players fill out PDL teams. Also would be nice if the AI realized they needed to release overagers, but not much we can do there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoroBoozer Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Something odd things happened tonight while playing the original file. I was manager of McLean Youth, a academy-level and lowest-tier side. After I won the championship I tried to apply to hire level jobs and kept constantly getting denied. I thought that was just because even with winning the title, the reputation of the league is so low that my reputation wasn't substantially increased enough to get higher jobs. I played another season, losing out in the finals, and then applying to about 15 different jobs at the same time. This time I realized that the clubs were "flattered" by my interest, but couldn't afford to pay compensation ($2,500/m with two months left), so I resigned. I was immediately offered a position at PDL side Ocean City FC, that I accepted. I tried to pick up some of my old players but when going to the contract screen, the minimum fee release clause was at (-1), highlighted, and no matter what I changed it to was still highlighted. I can't remove it or modify it so I can't offer a contract. By the way, it's a great file! I'm very familiar with the college soccer structure here having worked for a women's college soccer team in the US. If you need some help with identifying confusing things please feel free to PM me or write in this thread. I'm happy to help. One piece of advice though: The names of university's sports teams are known as one thing officially and another commonly. For example, Georgetown University Hoyas is the full name, but in all other screens it should just be Georgetown or Georgetown Hoyas. We almost never use "college" or "university" when we say or write their names unless we are distinguishing between two universities with the same name. I'd be happy to do this for you quickly if you need it. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 I tried to pick up some of my old players but when going to the contract screen, the minimum fee release clause was at (-1), highlighted, and no matter what I changed it to was still highlighted. I can't remove it or modify it so I can't offer a contract. I've noticed this too while I was managing a PDL team even some free transfers had this meaning I couldn't sign them. I must look into that later on. The names of university's sports teams are known as one thing officially and another commonly. For example, Georgetown University Hoyas is the full name, but in all other screens it should just be Georgetown or Georgetown Hoyas. We almost never use "college" or "university" when we say or write their names unless we are distinguishing between two universities with the same name. I realize that the University or College title is rarely used. I was thinking about how to name them and whether to include the nickname in the short name or not. I went with including it as some universities (although granted not many) would have the same name as professional teams, portland for example. I'll still think about it. The test went relatively well. In 2022 NASL clubs generally had pretty healthy squads with plenty of American regens, even the 3 teams which joined the league in 2014. USL Pro was similar. PDL is a worse situation, most clubs have only a few players, most of them are over 25. NPSL was a little better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t27 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Any release date planned paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 I might release another beta version this weekend. There are still a lot of unknowns such as what the next update will bring, and how the US Open Cup will handle the extra teams in the USL Pro this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Al Clark Posted February 1, 2013 SI Staff Share Posted February 1, 2013 Good to see someone is working on this, though I would have loved to collaborate. FMNA (official home of the US/Canadian data teams) has been working on an NCAA file rebuilt from the massive FM10 expansion we did. Getting people to work together could help build a much better, more expansive North American landscape. I'd love to take a look at your file, and if you want to team up at some point on future stuff for the US/Canada please get in touch here or over at www.fmnorthamerica.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t27 Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Paul are you going to release an update this weekend please do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 Paul are you going to release an update this weekend please do I'm planning to run a test tonight and if there are no problems I'll post a new version tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 Opening post has been updated with newest version to download. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicmastermind124 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I've notice you can only register squad numbers from 1-30 - this means that any players registered without a squad number can't play (because the game requires you to submit the squad numbers, and there aren't any free.) I also noticed for some reason that there are two registration windows, is this intended? (NCAA) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Matthias Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Confused on the relationship between the academies and the NCAA. Should a player progress from Academies to the NCAA, or right to MLS/professional leagues? Seems like the academy players are much younger then the NCAA players, but there is some overlap. Just wondered what your thoughts are on that. I did modify the NCAA teams to not allow transfers, haven't tested how well that will work though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I noticed in that in the new update in the Developmental League teams are made up almost entirely of ineligible 18+ players. This is to start out with, I'm not sure if it fixes as time goes on It seems to only happen with clubs unaffiliated with MLS teams and after a couple months seems to be fixing itself somewhat Another error I had after one season is the NCAA tournament which should have been scheduled after the 2012 season is being scheduled for November 2013, I know this was mentioned in the OP but I don't know the extent it was being delayed for you Game breaking error too, it seems to crash 10 months into every game. I originally started in January and it crashed in November then tried starting in September and it crashed next July Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 I noticed in that in the new update in the Developmental League teams are made up almost entirely of ineligible 18+ players. This is to start out with, I'm not sure if it fixes as time goes onIt seems to only happen with clubs unaffiliated with MLS teams and after a couple months seems to be fixing itself somewhat This seems to be a problem with the game itself, I remember seeing it mentioned in the bugs forum somewhere Another error I had after one season is the NCAA tournament which should have been scheduled after the 2012 season is being scheduled for November 2013, I know this was mentioned in the OP but I don't know the extent it was being delayed for you I haven't noticed this happening, but then again 90% of the test runs I've done have started in 2013, so I may have missed it. Game breaking error too, it seems to crash 10 months into every game. I originally started in January and it crashed in November then tried starting in September and it crashed next July Can you provide any extra info on the crash, do you have any other editor files loaded for example. I haven't had a crash for ages with these builds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 It is with nothing loaded, first time was using the generic US start date and the second with Indonesia loaded just to provide another start date. I'll try to duplicate it again in a little while but it happened the two times I tried to sim through By Indonesia loaded I mean the SI one not an editor file Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Tested it again and November 26 is the day that it crashes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted February 10, 2013 Author Share Posted February 10, 2013 Tested it again and November 26 is the day that it crashes Is that 2012? I've usually tested with a 2013 start date and everything has been fine, I might have missed something in the code for 2012 which is causing the crash. NASL, USL Pro and US Open Cup each have specific code for 2012 and 2013 before changing in 2014. If its 2012 you have the crash then its probably something in there, shouldn't be too hard to find its just I can't do any testing at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Is that 2012? I've usually tested with a 2013 start date and everything has been fine, I might have missed something in the code for 2012 which is causing the crash. NASL, USL Pro and US Open Cup each have specific code for 2012 and 2013 before changing in 2014. If its 2012 you have the crash then its probably something in there, shouldn't be too hard to find its just I can't do any testing at the moment. Yeah it is 2012, I tried it with Canada loaded for good measure and it still happens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 I'll be going away for a few weeks so I won't be working on this file, but my return should coincide nicely with the data update, which should be early March once the transfer windows are all shut. I've checked the default and update databases for FM12 and I notice that changes were made, such as Montreal being removed from American Second Division and new PDL allignment done. Therefore, I would expect the same case to happen this time, so NY Cosmos should be activated and added to American Second, VSI and Phoenix should already be in American Third and I would hope that 2013 PDL teams will be done. Once the update is released and I return I'll work on fixing any issues it will cause and I will try to release a new version. I doubt the 2014 expansion teams will be added to the database but you never know. I'm noticing that young players in the USA are asking for very high wages. I'm managing in the USL Pro at the moment and 17/18 year olds are asking for wages of $300 or so. For comparison, Man Utd's youth players are on about $90 a week. Hopefully changing the wage settings in the nations tab and division contract types would help this. The problem is obviously teams don't have the money to spend so much on youth players to fill out their U20 teams. Overall I may need to do something about finances as teams below MLS are stuggling with money. I can't find any info on any prize money or TV money for levels below MLS, so if anyone knows anything I'd appreciate it. I'll also do NCAA Conference realignments for 2013. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalou Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 This is fantastic cant wait to more updates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willz71172 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 when next update paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 when next update paul Should be this weekend. Other than MLS transfers, the update database has not made any changes that I can see to the US, just adding NY Cosmos to American Second. The plus of this is that my file is still working, still with no failed changes. I've made the Cosmos that SI created extinct to continue using my own. Interesting as in previous years I think the teams in other US leagues were updated, this year they haven't been touched. So far I've added/removed/renamed the necessary teams in the PDL and reduced the number of league games from 16 to 14 to reflect changes for this season. I still don't know the exact structure of the NPSL yet, or how USL Pro teams will enter US Cup, but I'll do some testing and try and release an update this weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willz71172 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 is there any chance you could uploaded what you have done now just do the US Cup way you hink there gonna set it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjk46 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Will January 2013 be an option for the starting point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicmastermind124 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I doubt it - it is possible but if done it is highly unlikely you will get the real life rules back into the game for the existing competitions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Will January 2013 be an option for the starting point? You can always load a league which starts on January 2013 (most South American ones, for example, except Argentina and Uruguay) and set it as View Only if you don't want it to slow a little bit your game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjk46 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 You can always load a league which starts on January 2013 (most South American ones, for example, except Argentina and Uruguay) and set it as View Only if you don't want it to slow a little bit your game. That is what I ended up doing! Does anyone know where I can get a facepack for DC United since that is who I am playing as? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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