Linie Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 just noticed that as well, can somebody give some clarification about the normal coaches not training the U19 team. fyi, during youth trials, on their training screen all coaches show up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linie Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 This is by design. A 'coach' works with the 1st team/reserves only.Cheers. Bit of a problem with small team and the unwillingness of good coaches to sign on as youth coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glyndav Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Ah balls, I thought that might be the case. Cleon, it might be worth getting them to amend the online manual if the info isn't right on there? Have to be honest, I'm really not liking the new training at the moment, it's going to take a while for me to get used to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Nice thread. Two questions: some coach told me I should train x player individually in tactics. Can I do that for a specific player (and not especially for the whole team) and if yes, please tell me how. Also have the problem that new coach signings only appear in the first/reserve squad training and not in the youth training. I also cannot specify a search for an U18/19/21 coach, or can I in the contract offer itself. Problem is I already have the allowed 6 coaches and not one of them is traing my youth and I'm not allowed to buy some more ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
private pyle Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Bit of a problem with small team and the unwillingness of good coaches to sign on as youth coaches. That is the big problem, no one will seem to sign as an u18 coach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirto1985 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 High guy. I have tried to understand the new training model, but I can't seem to figure it out. It seems very clear-cut, butI don't know what exactly to focus on. I feel like I am missing a feedback screen since I have no clue how my players react to team training. Let's say I focus on defensice training since my team sucks at defending. How exatly can I see whether they improve or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 Nice thread.Two questions: some coach told me I should train x player individually in tactics. Can I do that for a specific player (and not especially for the whole team) and if yes, please tell me how. Also have the problem that new coach signings only appear in the first/reserve squad training and not in the youth training. I also cannot specify a search for an U18/19/21 coach, or can I in the contract offer itself. Problem is I already have the allowed 6 coaches and not one of them is traing my youth and I'm not allowed to buy some more ... Ok SI have confirmed that general coaches are only able to coach first team and reserve teams. So to answer the coaches question - you can't. Fire or renegotiate deals. To train a player individually do either of the following: 1 - Go to training, select individual from sub-tab, then select the drop down menu next to each player. 2 - Go to the player in question, go to training, then select from the drop down menu for individual role Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 High guy. I have tried to understand the new training model, but I can't seem to figure it out. It seems very clear-cut, butI don't know what exactly to focus on. I feel like I am missing a feedback screen since I have no clue how my players react to team training. Let's say I focus on defensice training since my team sucks at defending. How exatly can I see whether they improve or not? general training affects attributes only - so your player's defensive attributes should increase Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Luckily I always signed U19's coaches for youth team and 1st team coaches for 1st team in previous FM's so this problem won't affect me. It is still possible to get good ratings for both this way too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirto1985 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 general training affects attributes only - so your player's defensive attributes should increase So it's not the team training their collaborative defensive setup (who to mark, where to stand etc)? I'm just telling the team (including the attackers I assume) to focus more on their defensive attributes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 So it's not the team training their collaborative defensive setup (who to mark, where to stand etc)? I'm just telling the team (including the attackers I assume) to focus more on their defensive attributes? Yes - the match training - defensive positioning - is what will improve defensive work on a match to match basis. When you have a defensive focus on general training, yes you will improve attacker's defensive attributes, but they still train their attacking attributes, and are not going to get swamped in defensive attributes only Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima92 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Does "Tactics" general training raise stats or just the tactic familiarity level? or both? Same with team cohesion, does it raise stats or just make gelling faster? if so, why would I use it after my ass man says they are gelled? ive had these doubts since ive started playing, since I dont know if I should keep using those trainings or not.. and finally, another thing; what can I do with old players individually? they normally start to lose fitness stats, but I dont want to keep the whole team training on fitness just for them, and there doesnt seem to be any specific option for this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share Posted November 10, 2012 it raises tactical attributes - things like anticipation, decisions, composure etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima92 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 it raises tactical attributes - things like anticipation, decisions, composure etc thanks for the answer, and what about the other 2 things? especially the old players question, they keep losing fitness, but i dont know if there is anything I can do for them to focus more on their fitness training... also, is it recommended to have less match preparation or more match preparation? what do you recommend? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share Posted November 10, 2012 well I don't know to be honest - keep playing them stops the decline, but otherwise focus on physical roles maybe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirto1985 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Thanks for the explanation llama3, it's clear now. Is there any way to know which aspect my team lacks (aside from watching the matches obviously)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share Posted November 10, 2012 Thanks for the explanation llama3, it's clear now. Is there any way to know which aspect my team lacks (aside from watching the matches obviously)? watch the games, it will be obvious - your assistant will also tell you what you are struggling with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finknottle Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I'm sure that I have posted about this about a week ago but I can't find my post. It seems to have vanished. It was this. At the start of a game in the meetings screen, your Asst asks about how he can help with the training. There are two replies available here. 1. Ask him to 'take control of all the match preparation' and ... 2. Ask him to take care of all the match preparation training'. Am I correct in assuming that answer one just has him doing the 'match preparation' and answer two has him doing both the match preparation and all of the training? I ask because no matter which option I choose, I still get my 'next opposition' scout advising on the next match preparation and whether I want to do it or ask my Assistant to do it. Also, the preparation always seems to be 'attacking movement' and on checking this I find that the match preparation seems to always be set to 'tactics'. What am I missing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSCCG Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I came here to find something like this and there it was! Thanks very much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdrawmer Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Ok so i'm struggling a little bit to come to terms with the new training. Not saying it's a step backwards - it actually seems good on the surface (except little bugs like applying individual role training re-ordering the sort order etc) So in FM12 I would have a striker in an individual striker routine which I know would then focus on the attributes I typically want from a striker. If he lacked somewhere, I'd train an individual attribute. Fine. In FM13 that striker is now training in the same as everybody else (the general training) which i'll either set to balanced, or chop and change weekly. That's fine - but then he's not focusing on his attacking attributes which i'd like him to? Is the standard thing to do, to go through each player and set their individual training to certain roles? Or does the 'general' training still focus on the attributes I would prefer them to? I ask because setting every single player to an individual role / attribute ADDS ON to the general training, so it either means setting the general to low or the individual role to low? Sorry for the mess of a post - I'm just trying to find out more details so i can decide what the best is for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkg Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Question The new coach report has two bar highlighting a player's happiness and training progression but what exactly is the training progression bar measured against? Is it showing their progress towards their PA or is it an indicator of the likelihood of attribute increases from their current training schedule? I am asking because the majority of my players are happy (green) but their progression bar tend to be red or amber. Either my schedules are crap or it is just indicating that they have a long way to go before reaching their potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 I have actually seen little movement in the progression bars on my players - i'll get back to you with an answer after my night shifts on that. I will need to investigate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkg Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Cheers dude, it is totally puzzling me at the moment. I have also seen little movement despite having positive attribute changes and monthly training reports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finknottle Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I have actually seen little movement in the progression bars on my players - i'll get back to you with an answer after my night shifts on that. I will need to investigate. llama3, would it be possible for you to comment on my post,#118, please. I would appreciate a definition of the two options within the training meeting with your assistant manager, which takes place at the beginning of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 llama3, would it be possible for you to comment on my post,#118, please. I would appreciate a definition of the two options within the training meeting with your assistant manager, which takes place at the beginning of the game. answer - no idea, because I never let my assistant manage training, I am quite a micro-manager, so I have not tried to know what these do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 llama3, would it be possible for you to comment on my post,#118, please. I would appreciate a definition of the two options within the training meeting with your assistant manager, which takes place at the beginning of the game. You should get 4 options and each one is different. Not sure if I've misunderstood your question or if you've read wrong but look at this screenshot; The first option the assistant does all the match prep including any opposition instructions. The 2nd option the assistant does the match prep but you do the opposition instructions The 3rd option the assistant does the opposition instructions and you do the match prep. The 4th option you do everything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finknottle Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Hi Cleon, I think that I have been misunderstanding the options. I have been assuming that the four options also apply to the teams general training as well as the match preparation training. I am now assuming that all four options apply only to the 'match preparation' training, eg: scout 'X' suggests that 'attacking movement' may be the best match preparation for the next match. The teams general training has nothing at all to do with the four options above. Have I got it right, at last? If so, then once more, you have enlightened me, Cleon. If not, then forgive a senile senior citizen his lack of a brain. Hee! Hee! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CybrSlydr Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Is there a way of finding out what aspect on which your team needs additional training? I'm just randomly throwing up training because I have no idea what they need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Hi Cleon, I think that I have been misunderstanding the options. I have been assuming that the four options also apply to the teams general training as well as the match preparation training. I am now assuming that all four options apply only to the 'match preparation' training, eg: scout 'X' suggests that 'attacking movement' may be the best match preparation for the next match.The teams general training has nothing at all to do with the four options above. Have I got it right, at last? If so, then once more, you have enlightened me, Cleon. If not, then forgive a senile senior citizen his lack of a brain. Hee! Hee! That is correct I'm always happy to help a fellow senile person out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 Is there a way of finding out what aspect on which your team needs additional training? I'm just randomly throwing up training because I have no idea what they need. Additional training - is that match preparation? your assistant will suggest in-game, but tbh just watch and see. You can adapt it to each opponent (i.e. playing stoke, defending set pieces maybe?) etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CybrSlydr Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Additional training - is that match preparation? your assistant will suggest in-game, but tbh just watch and see. You can adapt it to each opponent (i.e. playing stoke, defending set pieces maybe?) etc Yeah, when I go to training, how do I know if I need to work on Attacking or on Team Cohesion, etc? I don't want to work Ball Control when my team is pants at Defense. I mean, there's a box in Tactics that show you how good your team is with all those aspects - is there a place where it rates your team's training competence? My ass man doesn't do those suggestions. Honestly, I only watch the "Key" moments rather than the whole game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 Yeah, when I go to training, how do I know if I need to work on Attacking or on Team Cohesion, etc? I don't want to work Ball Control when my team is pants at Defense. I mean, there's a box in Tactics that show you how good your team is with all those aspects - is there a place where it rates your team's training competence? My ass man doesn't do those suggestions. Honestly, I only watch the "Key" moments rather than the whole game. That is attribute training, it doesn't "improve" your team all of a sudden in an area you are playing poorly in on the pitch. It is a general focus on an area of training. So, if you are Barcelona you might like your players to be generally attacking, or if you are Stoke you might choose defending, or you may play Ball Control if you are Man Utd etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedromanuelpinto Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Hello, In the pre-season when starting a new save I should have in the first 3 weeks with Team Cohesion and none with phisical? What should I do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 Physical training first, then team cohesion - pick how much you need, about 2 weeks intensive physical, then intensive team cohesion until the season starts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelboo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I have a question, might be silly, but I'm a first time player and still overwhelmed by many choices. I feel like I'm messing up my players and team by having no structure or plan in my training... Most importantly, does individually training a role (e.g. training Thiago as a Dynamic Midfielder) increase attributes? What is the level of stars a big club like Barca should have in the different training areas like tactics, defending, etc.? And how many trainers? Is there a smart order and structure to do training that I should try to follow? It's been very chaotic as of now, different focus every week, I bet my players are confused as hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 yes individually training a role boosts the attributes key to that role - i.e. an advanced playmaker role will improve passing, creativity, etc a big club you should be looking to get 5* coaches when possible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelboo Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Thanks! I'll get to it. I'll start planning ahead with my training as well, I don't want to ruin my young players' potential with my incompetence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govnar1 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 1. Can anyone explain how "Progression bar" in player report screen works (it seems permanently stuck in the middle on all my players)? 2. Whats the difference between general training focus set to Team cohesion and match training set to Teamwork? 3. Will general training focus set to Team cohesion accelerate progression of any particular group of player attributes or it helps team blend, boosts team morale...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 1. Can anyone explain how "Progression bar" in player report screen works (it seems permanently stuck in the middle on all my players)?2. Whats the difference between general training focus set to Team cohesion and match training set to Teamwork? 3. Will general training focus set to Team cohesion accelerate progression of any particular group of player attributes or it helps team blend, boosts team morale...? 2) The first helps players settle who you've brought the club. The latter helps them work as a team on the pitch and gain an understanding of how each other play as a team 3) Helps the team blend but once that's happened it has no bearing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govnar1 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 2) The first helps players settle who you've brought the club. The latter helps them work as a team on the pitch and gain an understanding of how each other play as a team3) Helps the team blend but once that's happened it has no bearing. Thank you! Any idea about Progression bar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Thank you! Any idea about Progression bar? Yeah but then I saw your location Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govnar1 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Yeah but then I saw your location Fair enough Any ideas about Progression bar by someone that didn't utterly disgraced himself in Bolt tread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopfan1977 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 not a bad idea - high physical training, and decent level match training for tactics only is a good ideayes determination, level of discipline and motivation are key aspects for star ratings With regards to coaches and star ratings.. What is lowest you would go for the above 3 attributes (along with the relevant attributes for the position e.g def/tactics etc) to gain the best star rating? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkg Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I'm beginning to think the progression bar hasn't been fully implemented as a feature or something. No one seems to know what it does, it doesn't seem to be tied to attribute increase/decreases and there is no description of it within the manual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I'm beginning to think the progression bar hasn't been fully implemented as a feature or something. No one seems to know what it does, it doesn't seem to be tied to attribute increase/decreases and there is no description of it within the manual. It's as I thought it is, I just didn't want to help the poster above. But for those who might not have seen Riz from SI post about this in general earlier, here is what he said; The "Progression" bar shown in the report screen shows you how the player has developed in recent months ability wise according to your coaches. So it technically recaps the total progress that occasionally prompts specific news items where your coaches tell you if they have been impressed by a players progress in training in recent months etc. We've done some finetuning for this in the future updates so it will show changes a bit better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 With regards to coaches and star ratings.. What is lowest you would go for the above 3 attributes (along with the relevant attributes for the position e.g def/tactics etc) to gain the best star rating? Well as high as possible really - all 16's is nice, but is also the same as a 15, 16, 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 So is it worth it to have a rest before and after a match? Or just after? For a premier league team in europe i would think only having a rest after a match would be best, but even then would that rest be a waste? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 So is it worth it to have a rest before and after a match? Or just after?For a premier league team in europe i would think only having a rest after a match would be best, but even then would that rest be a waste? depends on the size of the squad, fitness, and competitions - i.e. a large squad, out of europe, 2nd half of the season may make good use of just a single rest day. a busy, small squad may need both Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Llama3 - You might have seen this already but if not http://pushthemwide.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/the-comprehensive-guide-to-fm13-training/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 Someone has completely out-done me there. Looks a top article. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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