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  1. 1. If you've tried the tactic, please answer: Are you having success with this tactic?


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Jimmyrh94

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Ohhh i only just saw this now.

That looks brilliant, i have been looking for a tactic which would produce 40 + goals for my striker.

I am currently doing a "half a season" test on the goal storm tactic by vu duc tu which is working quite decently but its no " ill devasto", so after that i will give this a whizz.

I did a bit of a report for him on his thread, so i was atleast being productive with my posts. So i will do the same with your tactic, uploading screenshots and the works.

Thanks for your help mate, your making this game a bit more enjoyable for me

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cragswfc

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cragswfc viewpost-right.png with that tweaked tactic, is the playmaker the guy without the back arrow or the other MC (not the middle DM guy with the lowest mentality)?

its the right side of the three here a pic. how did you do that to take me straight to it?? i mean the fast-forward button?

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davidbowie

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I just copypasted your name. I didn't expect it to happen lol.

Thanks, I wasn't sure which guy you mean, because it flipped the people from the other versions. In the original tactic, the MCR was the playmaker, but when I put your tactic in, the MCR moves to MCL and the MCL to MCR.

Can I suggest you re-tweak the tweak again to clear that up. Because it'll mean people who use your tactic along side the originals will have to keep manually switching the MCR and MCL player.

Oh, and since he has a back arrow, is the MCR in this case meant to be a deep-lying playmaker type, or can he be a typical attacking midfield style playmaker?

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cragswfc

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here is v2 http://www.gamefront.com/files/20198579/Tic-Tac+-v2tweak+%28Standard%29+cra+%28Sheff+Wed%2C+Jul+2017%29.tac

play-maker right

if time wasting is not on 7 clicks

/ tempo on 3 clicks

it needs putting there as i was experimenting

Time Wasting -

0 clicks: Desperate for a goal; drawing or losing at the end of the match. 75 mins

3 clicks: When I'm looking for a goal before half time when it's 0-0, or we are drawing. (30/35 mins)

6 clicks: My standard setting (15 mins onwards, or 60 mins onwards for 2nd half)

9 clciks: Used for the first 15 mins of each half when I want to control possession yet still offer a goal scoring threat

13/16 clicks: Used towards the end of the game when I'm winning and just want to control the ball to prevent tiredness.

Tempo:

3 clicks: My standard Tempo setting

9 clicks: Break down the opposition if they are camped on the edge of their area (Usually with a 6 Time Wasting)

14 clicks: When the opposition are pressing me heavily

17 clicks: Under intense opposition pressure (very rarely do I use this)

I've only ever used 20 clicks for Tempo and 0 clicks for Time Wasting -- This was when I was 2-0 down, so I decided to just go for it. We won 3-2

taken from post #306

coaches, trainers, http://www.mediafire...aodkq0k0kdujs3f/

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cragswfc

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I just copypasted your name. I didn't expect it to happen lol.

Thanks, I wasn't sure which guy you mean, because it flipped the people from the other versions. In the original tactic, the MCR was the playmaker, but when I put your tactic in, the MCR moves to MCL and the MCL to MCR.

Can I suggest you re-tweak the tweak again to clear that up. Because it'll mean people who use your tactic along side the originals will have to keep manually switching the MCR and MCL player.

Oh, and since he has a back arrow, is the MCR in this case meant to be a deep-lying playmaker type, or can he be a typical attacking midfield style playmaker?

davidbowie i think the playmaker type is deeplying/advanced as its based on xavi

and when i get home i will try thanks for the suggest en

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Manfred

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here is v2 http://www.gamefront.com/files/20198579/Tic-Tac+-v2tweak+%28Standard%29+cra+%28Sheff+Wed%2C+Jul+2017%29.tac

play-maker right

Time Wasting -

0 clicks: Desperate for a goal; drawing or losing at the end of the match. 75 mins

3 clicks: When I'm looking for a goal before half time when it's 0-0, or we are drawing. (30/35 mins)

6 clicks: My standard setting (15 mins onwards, or 60 mins onwards for 2nd half)

9 clciks: Used for the first 15 mins of each half when I want to control possession yet still offer a goal scoring threat

13/16 clicks: Used towards the end of the game when I'm winning and just want to control the ball to prevent tiredness.

Tempo:

3 clicks: My standard Tempo setting

9 clicks: Break down the opposition if they are camped on the edge of their area (Usually with a 6 Time Wasting)

14 clicks: When the opposition are pressing me heavily

17 clicks: Under intense opposition pressure (very rarely do I use this)

I've only ever used 20 clicks for Tempo and 0 clicks for Time Wasting -- This was when I was 2-0 down, so I decided to just go for it. We won 3-2

taken from post #306

coaches, trainers, http://www.mediafire...aodkq0k0kdujs3f/

http://img62.imageshack.us/i/monacovsslaviaprague2.jpg//

First game with this tactic

(First season with Monaco, Friendly)

http://img585.imageshack.us/i/monacovslyon.jpg/

First league game against Lyon, Lloris won the mom. Unlucky!! Dominate the game.

Awesome!

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dannytjuh

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Has someone tried to convert it into the tactic creator? I have don that but only played 7 games. Not happy at the moment. Get high possesion most of the games (60%) and many good passes ( 80%+) but not many changes. Tactic is Fluid at the moment but maybe it needs more time.

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cragswfc

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Has someone tried to convert it into the tactic creator? I have don that but only played 7 games. Not happy at the moment. Get high possesion most of the games (60%) and many good passes ( 80%+) but not many changes. Tactic is Fluid at the moment but maybe it needs more time.

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5158/formatie433.jpg

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9353/uitslagenbarca.jpg

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/6972/standbarca.jpg

i got this of my dutch mate but i prefer classic

http://www.4shared.com/file/8GUyUfIu/LG_-_4-3-3_Aanvallend__Barcelo.html

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Jimmyrh94

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cragswfc im going to to give your v1 a go first, then when that starts going well ill switch to your v2. Just so the transition is the same as how you did it. The goal storm tactic was quite good but a bit inconsistent so fingers crossed yours will bring the 40+ and champions league success i desire.

What do you suggest in terms of match prep and pitch size please?

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cragswfc

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cragswfc im going to to give your v1 a go first, then when that starts going well ill switch to your v2. Just so the transition is the same as how you did it. The goal storm tactic was quite good but a bit inconsistent so fingers crossed yours will bring the 40+ and champions league success i desire.

What do you suggest in terms of match prep and pitch size please?

i left match on none and i use max pitch which is 114yrd x 74 yrds

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cragswfc

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Oke thanks! If mine tactic is still not working after 15 games i'll try this one. But how can i be that the tactics are different? Because of the player roles?

dont no i think he done manually dont setting aswell he said he put messi up top as well

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cragswfc

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thanks. last question, i prefer employing tactics as plug and play, is it vital to keep changing the tempo and time wasting? i am testing with barcelona.

so do i put i do find with the temp & time wasting i do think you must do it to get the best out of the tactic

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UPNATEM

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Having huge amounts of success with FC Porto.. in my 3rd season and I'm on the brink of my 2nd consecutive Champions League win with a virtually unchanged side!

Anyway, just wanted to show something which I found very funny.. I broke my possession record against rivals Belenenses having 80%.. never seen it before! Here is a screenshot to show my domination :Dhttp://img707.imageshack.us/i/portovsbelen.png/

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cragswfc

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Hi cragswfc, so can you explain what you mean about the V2 tactic, Do i have to change som settings after i download it? =)

you should put tempo on 3 clicks time wasting on 6/7 slicks at start of games

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Manfred

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From my experience, It is crucial when you are chasing a goal (in that case you use 0 for time wasting and 20 for tempo)

ultra defensive (20 for time wasting and slow for tempo)

Use "in faith/you can make difference" team talk for pre-match and half time (use pick up from last time when available),

also rest your player/reduce the training workload during heavy schedule

Unbeaten for 15 matches (12W 3D) using cragswfc v2 tactic and these strategies

monacounbeatenstreak.th.jpg

thx your tactic!

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John_Cro

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did someone try to make other formations using logic behind this tactic (RealMadrid_2007 logic)? It would be great to have a 4-3-1-2 version so we can adjust our width when playing against 4-1-2-1-2 or something similar.

Thasnks

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Barkermush

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If your Striker is struggling for goals with my tweaked version, try unticking "Roam from position" on the Striker.

I have a world class striker and he kept missing sitters and kicking the ball wide etc, i unticked roam from position and he's got 6 in the last 5 now and is always in the right place to score instead of roaming around the pitch. :thup:

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Manfred

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If your Striker is struggling for goals with my tweaked version, try unticking "Roam from position" on the Striker.

I have a world class striker and he kept missing sitters and kicking the ball wide etc, i unticked roam from position and he's got 6 in the last 5 now and is always in the right place to score instead of roaming around the pitch. :thup:

Definitely trying this!

Currently suffering for too many draws

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B1G_D

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Tested with my Arsenal side, dominate matches possession wise, but don't score. Opposition goes right down the other end and scores. Plays good football, but doesn't put the ball in the net enough. Really frustrating as it shows how the ME cheats to get goals. IRL possession equals results, but unfortunately not on FM2011.

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zinedremomeri

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YEAH LOOKS LIKE I PULLED IT OFF!! :)

maybe not so dumb after all.THANX to Cragswfc for guiding me..

Ok,so let me tell first that i'm still using the standard but with some tweaks during the game or according to the opps.

the post above is my squad.

This is my striker's instructions: http://i53.tinypic.com/5x5tfa.jpg

And this is my main striker: http://i54.tinypic.com/2l9a9.jpg

i think my biggest problem was finding a good playmaker.i used Tinga for it.who drove me mad from time to time,since i couldn't get him to give up "his shoots from distance" ppm.This is him! http://i51.tinypic.com/2yua77r.jpg not bad apart from those needless shots..i have a player who IS a playmaker in terms of skills,but no def. what so ever so i couldn't use him.

i almost never give up on the fact those three mid. should at least play def. to a certain level..it wasn't easy to find a deep lying playmaker for me in terms of foreign player restrictions and reputation of the league..anyways..

i got a pretty solid def.hard working determined team really. almost 80% of the team(maybe more) either "loves" me or the team :)so they really play together..

and i'll explain how i manage the games now,quickly without being boring:

i start like real madrid 2007 says; 3 tempo-9 time wasting.after tha i look if they press heavy or not.and adj. the tempo and t.w. almost exactly like real madrid 2007 explains.my play maker is like in the home tac.

but i change the mentalities according to the opp. and how the game goes.so mine is like in between the standard and home tac.nothing major.

so off to my accomplishments(hope i spelled that right :) )

in the last two seasons i won the league two times.unbeaten in the last 59 games which involves all games with the tic-tac:http://i53.tinypic.com/rkqz6a.jpg

won the champions cup twice in a row:this is the first one against lyon http://i51.tinypic.com/2pov8f6.jpg

and this against Arsenal..a bit of luck there yes:http://i52.tinypic.com/1679fsz.jpg

won the domestic cup,world club cup,super cup euro and dom.

this is my last season:http://i56.tinypic.com/11sm1oh.jpg .. http://i56.tinypic.com/24fbjt4.jpg .. http://i54.tinypic.com/20gi1bp.jpg

wow i just realized that it's one loss and two draws the whole season.that loss was a guaranteed game where i played with my second 11..

i know there r good tactics out there but this is so much fun to play with.

i just looked at my previous season,too where i started with the magic tic-tac..combined:92 games 6 draws 2 losses;one on penalty shots and one with a reserves team.

A darn good tactic,man..hands up biggest fun to play with..

So,i took it too long i guess..just wanted to share it with u all..

thanx for ur time and patience..

oh just before i go,since there is nothing more i can achieve with my Galatasaray,i'm going to have to leave them now and onto the premiership where i belong lol..

my q is;i got two offers from rivals.sir Alex has retired eventually! and both man u. and man c. are looking for managers and since i resigned they both offered me a spot..

hmmmm..now which way to go???

ah i already know the answer though.ALLWAYS THE UNDERDOGS...WELCOME MANCHESTER....CITY

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zinedremomeri

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@ Gee_Simpson - the only change i made is i start the game with first notch of att. mentality(which is 14 notches i think) regardless of the opp.

then during the game if he's finding enough space and looks to create goal chances i give him even more att. men. it seems to drive him more to break through and score..

and if i'm satisfied with the score or they keep it crowded in the middle or if they are playing with three def. at the back (which is rare) and i want the wings to att. more towrds the goal,then i lower his mentality to 9 notches(one notch to the left of normal).it seems to make him draw the def. onto him and distribute more,rather than being aggressive to the goal..

i never make him roam(i believe it takes away the set up of the tac.)he wanders more that way.doesn't look good.

never give him att. from deep.the change of mentality seems to do the job,imo.

and sometimes when the opp. are sitting in their penalty area,i go nuts with the pressure until i score..leads the weaker teams to mistakes sometimes..

i think that's about it..briliant tactic imo really..i just amuse myself with the little adjustments.i dot even know if i need them.lol..

seems to work though..

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davidbowie

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Tik Tok Possession Based Tactical Training Schedules

I created a set of training schedules to use with this tactic:

Tik Tok Training Schedule First Team + Youth

It contains a set of training schedules intended to work with the tactics and abilities required for the players in this tactic. It has been developed using the Training Master Class thread. It would be a good idea to read through that thread to get up to speed on the theory used behind this schedule.

Overall Philosophy:

The Tik-Tok tactic revolves around 3 major aspects.

Playing high up the park and with heavy closing down.

Improved decision making and tactical choices.

Possession play with focused quality passing to create space and chances.

In this frame of mine, I built up my training schedule to work the players into this frame of mine. Having investigated the training masterclass, it is clear the training schedule for this tactic must revolve around the Attacking, Strength and Tactics training as a general rule.

By using the appropriate training schedules, it is possibly to markedly improve the quality of a player as they fit into this tactic.

It is sub-titled "POS" for "POSSESSION".

Note: This is a heavily specialised training schedule. If you do use it, be preapred for your players to maintain or lose their attributes in certain areas. As a general warning, there is little Aerobic work and your players will not improve their pace, which in some tactics is a key attribute.

It contains the following schedules:

First Team:

PRE SEASON - Use this at the start of the season, until a player is match fit, or until there is only 2 weeks left in the season. It gets their important physical and tactical attributes back as fast as possible and helps get them fit.

POSSESSION Main - Use this on new players, to get them up to speed on the attributes this tactic uses quickly.

I don't think I need to explain too much what the positional training schedules do, except to remind people that the key training departments in this tactic are Attacking, Strength and Tactics. There is enough training at the full-time level to still do what each position requires more generally, whilst still maintaining the focus on the specific trio of main departments:

Fast Striker - Fast/dribbler type strikers, wing forwards or converting wingers to wing-forwards.

AMC Passing - Playmakers, attacking midfielders. There was a schedule for dribbling AMC's it didn't vary enough to make it matter.

Slow Striker - Slower central strikers.

DM - Defensive midfielders.

Wingers - Wingers aren't optimum in this tactic, but in some cases you might have players who aren't quite good enough at attacking for the Fast Striker schedule, but are still useful players.

MC - Use this for your left midfielders, and players who aren't good enough at either attacking or defending to be used in those specific AMC or DM roles. This tactic works towards making that player a very useful box to box midfielder.

WB - Use for the DR and DL. This schedule does traing Aerobic, as it's good to help keep their pace up.

CB - So what if he's in the centre of the defence? He still needs to be good on the ball. This has the highest rate of Aerobic training because it's one of the few roles that don't needs much stamina in this tactic, and it's nice to improve their pace, as well as the fact Jumping is part of Aerobic.

GK - Every big GK attribute is worked to as highest level. There is also some Attacking training to help with passing. However you can choose to remove the attacking training, and push Aerobic all the way to Intensive.

Old Guys - This tactic tries to maintain their existing stats together for as long as possible. Can be used for any position but GK.

Youth:

Pre-season, possession and GK are all HEAVY training. Keep that in mind. If you have issues tone it down.

PRE-SEASON: Just like it's first-team version. Use until there are 2 weeks left till the season starts. Take Aerobic down a notch or two to put it to Medium workload.

POSSESSION YTH: Honestly you probably won't need this.

GK: Turn down Aerobic a notch or two to make it medium.

DEF: Use for CB's, WB's and DM's.

ST: Use for ST's and Wing Forwards.

MC: Use for MC's and AMC's.

So there it is. I hope it helps people, but do keep in mind that this is a training schedule built for this tactic. Don't use it if you suddenly switch to a park the bus then hit with lightning fast counter-attacking tactic.

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davidbowie

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Personally, I put them straight onto their positional training schedule.

They get pre-season training until they are match fit, or the time till the new season is only 2 weeks, and then I sort everyone into their position training.

I included the POSSESSION MAIN because the masterclass thread said it can be a good idea.

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Barkermush

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YEAH LOOKS LIKE I PULLED IT OFF!! :)

maybe not so dumb after all.THANX to Cragswfc for guiding me..

Ok,so let me tell first that i'm still using the standard but with some tweaks during the game or according to the opps.

the post above is my squad.

This is my striker's instructions: http://i53.tinypic.com/5x5tfa.jpg

And this is my main striker: http://i54.tinypic.com/2l9a9.jpg

Hi, i've tried you striker instructions and it seems to be doing well. :thup:

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Davidbowie great idea m8 to base your training on the Training Master Class thread. I am curious about your development of your players. Can you upload some screens of your players, who has been training under you? I would like to see how they developed. Thank you in advance

EDIT: I am using Raver training + sets and I must say i really enjoy the development of my players on this set up. Davidbowie are you known with these training sets?

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Totti Jr

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atm in this thread there is like thousands of version of the tactic to download. whats the latest version? i downloaded the supposed v2 with the tweaked striker setting still the playermaker seems to be the MCL and not MCR.

and my team have major problem scoring, i hardly get any shots on goal vs weak teams away. it seems my team is just passing around teh ball on the middle :D

not getting this tactic to work at all with my team

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davidbowie

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Davidbowie great idea m8 to base your training on the Training Master Class thread. I am curious about your development of your players. Can you upload some screens of your players, who has been training under you? I would like to see how they developed. Thank you in advance

EDIT: I am using Raver training + sets and I must say i really enjoy the development of my players on this set up. Davidbowie are you known with these training sets?

Okay, I've had a quick look at it, and while the general idea is fine, it's missing aspects in what I consider general basic training areas (his keeper training seems to ignore Aerobic completely, which isn't logical, and it's tactics training is only medium).

It's also not geared to this specific tactic.

As for screenshots, I haven't been using it too long, but I can tell you that it's doing what it's planned to do.

I'll probably take some screenshots later in the year.

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