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Wallace v Roberts 2008: the end of a long road

The story in brief

Two clubs.

Two managers.

20 members of the CSE community.

48 seasons.

11 Promotions.

1 Relegation.

16 cups.

3 Premier League titles.

2 Champions Leagues.

So that’s pretty much it for the current edition of Wallace v Roberts. Back in March, the legendary strikers went head to head in a battle to take their clubs to the very top. Sure, there have been hic-cups on the way, but they got there in the end.

From humble beginnings which included a struggle for many seasons to make it out the lower divisions of the English Leagues, both sides, the Northern Monkeys and the Southern Softies, have gone on to become massive clubs in the English game, attracting world-class players and ultimately winning the biggest prizes football has to offer.

This of course was all done under the guidance of various members of the community. Thanks for taking part therefore go to:

aaberdeenn

chopper99

dafuge

Dava

dave safc

elf_30

Frazza Pee

GazTheDoood

JamesMathews

Jimbokav1971

MikelLUFC

NepentheZ

OrientMartin

PaulHartman71

PoopyPants

Ridleys

Rlipscombe

Robert_296

Spc1485

Team stats

Trophies / other successes


[font=Verdana][b][font=Courier New]                       Monkeys      [font=Verdana]Softies[/font][/font][/b][/font]
[font=Verdana][font=Courier New]Seasons played                  [font=Verdana]24                [font=Verdana]24[/font][/font][/font][/font]

[font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Courier New]Champions League                 1           1[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Courier New]EURO Cup                         1           1[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Courier New]Super Cup                        1           1 [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]

[font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Courier New]Premier League Champions         1           2 [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Courier New]Promotions                       6           5[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]

[font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Courier New]FA Cup                           0           0  [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Courier New]League Cup                       1           4 [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Courier New]Community Shield                 1           1[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Courier New]Johnstone's Paint Trophy         1           1[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Courier New]FA Trophy                        1           1[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Courier New]Setanta Shield                   1           0 [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]

[font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Verdana][font=Courier New]Total successes                 15          17[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]

In terms of League progress, if you were to take the league structure as one, and assign each position from 1 (Premier League winners) to 138 (bottom of the BSN or BSS), the clubs’ league progress went like this.

Next: more stats than you can shake a stick at.

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Various other stats

[font=Courier New]                       [b]          Monkeys                    Softies[/b][/font]
[font=Courier New]Playing time:                    35 days,                   27 days,[/font]
[font=Courier New]                                 13 hours,                  17 hours,[/font]
[font=Courier New]                                 52 minutes                 31 minutes[/font]
[font=Courier New]Biggest signing:                 £26m - Barry Watson        £20m - Edgar Otten[/font]
[font=Courier New]Biggest sale:                    £20m - Peter Carruthers    £20m - Vasily Semanov[/font]
[font=Courier New]Players bought:                    263                        240[/font]
[font=Courier New]Players sold:                      155                        131[/font]
[font=Courier New]Players released:                  223                        255[/font]
[font=Courier New]Total value of players bought:   £278m                      £208m[/font]
[font=Courier New]Total value of players sold:     £302m                      £163m[/font]
[font=Courier New]Career earning:                    £8m                       £12m[/font]

[font=Courier New]Games played:                    1,281                      1,334[/font]
[font=Courier New]Won:                               624                        656[/font]
[font=Courier New]Lost:                              397                        401[/font]
[font=Courier New]Drew:                              260                        277[/font]
[font=Courier New]Scored:                          2,807                      2,712[/font]
[font=Courier New]Conceded:                        2,022                      2,003[/font]

[font=Courier New]Club value:                      £216m                      £315m[/font]
[font=Courier New]Stadium:                        29,383 (increase 26,383)    42,297 (increase 39,297)[/font]


[font=Courier New]Team captains:                  Gary Woodward     2007-11   Charlie Hunt: 2007-2010[/font]
[font=Courier New]                                Ishmael Reeves    2011-18   Matt Williams 2010-2011[/font]
[font=Courier New]                                Scott Smith       2018-24   Andrew Matthews 2011-2013[/font]
[font=Courier New]                                Mikhail Melnikov  2024-25   Simon Holgate 2013-2016[/font]
[font=Courier New]                                Pedro             2025-25   Danny O'Brien 2016-2017[/font]
[font=Courier New]                                Matt Vernon       2025-26   Marco Rinaldi 2017-2019[/font]
[font=Courier New]                                Neil Sinclair     2026-27   Cristian Armenean 2019-2023[/font]
[font=Courier New]                                Kevin O'Rouke     2027-28   Christian Giacomelli 2023-2024[/font]
[font=Courier New]                                John Cook         2028-30   Lukas Kovarik 2024-2031[/font]
[font=Courier New]                                Jonathan Benoit   2030-31 [/font]

[font=Courier New]Players in squad with [/font]
[font=Courier New]a worldwide rep:                    6                           4[/font]

Wallace / Roberts – profiles and manager stats

Wallace profile

Roberts profile

Wallace stats

Roberts stats

It has to be said, both are pretty impressive.

More Monkeys stats

Monkeys club info

Monkeys All Time Best XI

Monkeys players of the year

Monkeys top scorers

Monkeys records (1)

Monkeys Records 2

More Softies stats

Softies club info

Softies all time best XI

Softies players of the year

Softies top scorers

Softies records (1)

Softies records (2)

Overall then, we can probably conclude the Softies were marginally more successful, but it was tight. The Monkeys will put it right next time, right?

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The award ceremony

Everyone who participated has played a massive part, some more than others.

So without further ado, I’d like to announce some awards to be presented to those a few people who’ve made outstanding contributions, in one way or another.

The Ron Atkinson award for longevity:

Dafuge, for completing 6 seasons, out in front of Robert_296 on 5, and both myself and Nep on 4.

The Lewis Hamilton award for driving a club forward:

Dava, for two promotions – no-one else managed it more than once.

The Jock Stein award for bringing home the Big Cup first:

Jointly shared by dafuge and PaulHartman71

The Polaris award for taking a club down:

NepentheZ, step forward and take a bow.

The Steve McLaren award for not winning very much at all:

There’s a few contenders here, but based on number of seasons played without getting promoted or winning a cup (and arguably scoring negative points on this scale with that relegation), one man is way out in front, come back up NepentheZ!

Now the most prestigious award:

Sir Alex Furious award for most successful manager

Note that his is calculated as total number of successes divided by no. of seasons played. Therefore, it ignores how major any particular trophy is.

In third: dave safc - 1.33 ‘successes’ per season

In second: dafuge – 1.5 trophies per season

But the winner is: Dava – 1.67 trophies per season played

Congratulations Dava, on overcoming the overwhelming favourite for that one.

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Now a few other special awards:

The Jackanory award for story telling:

Jimbokav – for putting unprecedented effort into his updates.

The Lord Lucan award for starting a season then disappearing without trace:

Jointly shared by HunterKiller and thezogsageordie

The Golden Rubber Duck award for losing a save game whilst in the shower:

Now, who was this again? Let me know and claim your award! Remember and save the game occasionally…

Edit: apparently Ridleys was the man (cheers Robert)

Credit crunch award for creative use of a loan:

Robert_296 – would the Softies have gone onto such success without Olly Kenney? ;)

The King Tutankhamun award for use of hieroglyphics:

Jimbokav again, for a load of stars and other uses of the nicknaming function which no-one else quite figured out ;)

The Magnus Magnusson award for starting but not finishing:

Roberto922. Looking forward to a full season some time… Mention too for Gundo on getting going then passing the game on before it all went horribly wrong.

The Mary-Kate and Ashley award for suggesting two teams would be better than one:

Robert_296 – a fine idea, we could all agree

And finally…

Big thanks for dafuge for ‘looking after the shop’ any time I’ve been away and keeping things ticking over and also for drumming up some greater participation.

Many thanks again to everyone who helped develop the idea and especially those who took part and made it one of the liveliest, most unique and most entertaining threads around. Here’s to making Wallace v Roberts 2009 an even bigger success.

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Now a few other special awards:

The Golden Rubber Duck award for losing a save game whilst in the shower:

Now, who was this again? Let me know and claim your award! Remember and save the game occasionally…

The Magnus Magnusson award for starting but not finishing:

Roberto922. Looking forward to a full season some time… Mention too for Gundo on getting going then passing the game on before it all went horribly wrong.

Yeah, yeah, yeah :o

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Massive thanks and congratulations go to bermybhoy, this has been a great idea and a fantastic addition to this forum.

Looking forward to the FM09 version starting :thup:

Cheers - also looking forward to it. Just need to sort out the opening post and decide who to invite to go first...

It was Ridleys who lots the save twice. Olly Kenney>All the other players tbh :cool: But my name is Robert_296 not Robert_297 ;)

You're just a number to me, sonny ;)

Ridleys....course it was. Well remembered.

Ah good, should we not be joint holders of the Magnus Magnusson award then?

To be fair, his effort of not saving a game for about 4 days and losing almost a whole season deserved it's own award.

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Fantastic end to a fantastic CSE Idea. Bermy, you're forever cemented as one of the great posters in this forum. :thup:

\o/ at me winning 2 awards.

/o\ at them being for useless reasons :D

Great thread. Can't stress enough how much joy this thread has brought me over the months. Well done to all the other participants, you've helped make this a real community forum.

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