GillsMan Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 It was the last kick of the game, the only advantage went to the Cheats. The advantage of a penalty kick was pretty clearly weighted in Ghana's favour tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Yeah, which "unfair advantage"? A red card and a penalty aren't unfair advantages. Every deliberate breach of rules is unfair by definition. The advantage was his team not being a goal down with no time left. Add the two together and you have unfair advantage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva_gunner Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Which club does djvandyke support? I want to know what he'll do if a player from his club does the same with the same outcome. Arsenal. And my guess is that he'd defend it for a while then say he always thought it was the wrong thing to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 It was the last kick of the game, the only advantage went to the Cheats. Why can't you accept it isn't cheating? Plus anyway Uruguay lost a good penalty taker. Plus anyway if it was the last kick off the game Ghana should have scored and won the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester City Researcher Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Which club does djvandyke support? I want to know what he'll do if a player from his club does the same with the same outcome. Arsenal.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Every deliberate breach of rules is unfair by definition. The advantage was his team not being a goal down with no time left. Add the two together and you have unfair advantage. A penalty for every team gives a significant advantage for that team, not for the team that commits a foul. Sure, it gave an advantage for Uruguay finally, but it was merely luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Btw, I'm perfectly satisfied with the rules as they stand and how the ref applied them. Suarez did what he did and got punished for it. I just don't understand how it can't be seen as a form of cheating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Yes it is, you cretin! Erm, no, it really isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Arsenal. And my guess is that he'd defend it for a while then say he always thought it was the wrong thing to do. Arsenal.... Pity. I don't have any example when Arsenal cheated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 A penalty for every team gives a significant advantage for that team, not for the team that commits a foul. Sure, it gave an advantage for Uruguay finally, but it was merely luck. Regardless of how it played out afterwards, in the single instant where Suarez stopped the ball with his hand, Ghana were disadvantaged by not having a goal scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlyons Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Btw, I'm perfectly satisfied with the rules as they stand and how the ref applied them. Suarez did what he did and got punished for it. I just don't understand how it can't be seen as a form of cheating.I guess if you consider any foul to be cheating, then it's cheating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Regardless of how it played out afterwards, in the single instant where Suarez stopped the ball with his hand, Ghana were disadvantaged by not having a goal scored. Okay, I think we agree on this one. Although this doesn't cover the opinion that a professional foul is a cheat as djvandyke tells us. In his case, it means that every foul is a cheat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/3537472/Chelsea-manager-Luiz-Felipe-Scolari-blames-referee-after-Arsenal-offside-goal-Football.html Robin Van Persie was clearly in an offside position for Arsenal's goal in this game against Chelsea, therefore he cheated and should be banned for life?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 How can anybody not see this was cheating? That is it, I have lost my faith in humanity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manya Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Cheating bastard, makes me sick. Haha. Suck it. Suarez such a hero :*) Should get a statue in Montevideo imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I personally think the context of the game shouldn't really matter. Would anyone be as hysterical had Suárez done the same thing in the first minute of the game? Or if he did it in some meaningless pub league match down the park? I don't really want referees to start giving out more severe punishments because "It's the World Cup Quarter-Finals" or "It's the last minute of extra time". Granted the actual actions of the player would be different in different circumstances (i.e. Suárez would be a silly boy to do that in the first minute of the game), but the punishment should be the same in both circumstances. - Denying a clear goalscoring opportunity illegally: Red card - Foul in the box: Penalty Blur out the circumstances around it. This is really all that is enforceable. There may be an argument for making punishments more severe for more obvious denials of clear goalscoring opportunities but I'm not sure we'd want to give those powers to referees or officials. What if Suárez did not handball but the ball went in anyway off Suárez's face, like Rob Green would have done? What are the chances of that? What if he could head it away? Does it even guarantee a win for Ghana considering Uruguay might score from the halfway line at the restart? Equally, it is not Suarez's fault the rules are as they are.... You could argue he played to the rules and traded a goal for a pen and red http://twitter.com/sidlowe/status/17602608819 @sidlowe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester City Researcher Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/3537472/Chelsea-manager-Luiz-Felipe-Scolari-blames-referee-after-Arsenal-offside-goal-Football.htmlRobin Van Persie was clearly in an offside position for Arsenal's goal in this game against Chelsea, therefore he cheated and should be banned for life?? String him up I say - for that kind of cheating is abhorrent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-IceMan Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 How can anybody not see this was cheating? That is it, I have lost my faith in humanity. Dude this didnt give Uruguay an advantage in any way in my opinion... Its not Suarez's fault the dude missed the penalty kick....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketheheadlesschicken Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/3537472/Chelsea-manager-Luiz-Felipe-Scolari-blames-referee-after-Arsenal-offside-goal-Football.htmlRobin Van Persie was clearly in an offside position for Arsenal's goal in this game against Chelsea, therefore he cheated and should be banned for life?? is a better example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Awful thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I guess if you consider any foul to be cheating, then it's cheating. Not really. It all comes down to "an attempt to gain an unfair advantage". Clearly a defender, for example, tackling an attacking player in possession of the ball is usually an attempt to dispossess him fairly and within the rules and therefore not "an attempt to gain an unfair advantage". If he fouls it's because he mistimes the tackle or is not skillful enough or whatever but it's generally not "an attempt to gain an unfair advantage". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 But you can argue that the ref giving a red card and a penalty nullifies the unfair advantage that is gained by the handball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-IceMan Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Wouldnt it be funny if Arsenal went buying Suarez from Ajax in the summer? Wanna bet dyk's opinion changes quickly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Nobody yet mention that Ghana also had the advantage of 30 minutes playing against a team with a numerical disadvantage? They didn't though, it was at the end of extra-time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-IceMan Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Nobody yet mention that Ghana also had the advantage of 30 minutes playing against a team with a numerical disadvantage? They didnt, red card was in the last few seconds of extra time . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhoy Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I'm sure anyone in this situation, for a chance to keep your team in the World Cup and progress to the semi-finals, would do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 Nobody yet mention that Ghana also had the advantage of 30 minutes playing against a team with a numerical disadvantage? Because it didn't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-IceMan Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I'm sure anyone in this situation, for a chance to keep your team in the World Cup and progress to the semi-finals, would do it. Everyone except dykeboy, who will just take a step to the right/left and lose the match . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 Wouldnt it be funny if Arsenal went buying Suarez from Ajax in the summer? Wanna bet dyk's opinion changes quickly? I'd set fire to my season ticket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Riccardo Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 lol this thread is hillarious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 djvandyke "losing faith in humanity". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I'd set fire to my season ticket. I doubt you would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester City Researcher Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 They didnt, red card was in the last few seconds of extra time . My bad I was clouded by sheer Daily Mail-esque RAGE at such a blatant and chronic injustice was done to such a proud nation as the Gold Coast and it's benevolent leader Kwame Nkrumah. I shall march on my nearest Uruguayan Embassy in the morning demanding that JUSTICE BE DONE for this massive example of cheating and deception STAY STRONG MARCEL - WE SHALL PREVAIL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Oh, it appears that only djvandyke and Matthew Le God agree that this is a form of cheating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pain Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 He's so cool he wears two pairs of sunglasses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 Everyone except dykeboy, who will just take a step to the right/left and lose the match . I would not cheat because I am a man of honour and Integrity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutontown1991 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 nah he is a good player and a smart one at that. put his country into the semi-final of the WC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester City Researcher Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Oh, it appears that only djvandyke and Matthew Le God agree that this is a form of cheating. Tells you all you need to know tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coentrao Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu-HkBumYC8 Pause it at 0:05, that's before the 1st blocked shot when he does the header that will assist the 1st shot. He looks past the keeper, if so he is offside, any HD replays of this so it's clearer ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I would not cheat because I am a man of honour and Integrity. Funny how you wouldn't comment on the two examples of Arsenal CHEATING then. You would burn your season ticket? How come you still have one to begin with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Riccardo Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 He's so cool he wears two pairs of sunglasses Indeed he is. That level of coolness is reserved for the special few.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I would not cheat because I am a man of honour and Integrity. Sometimes, honor and integrity need sacrifice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Tells you all you need to know tbh I already knew Matthew, but not this djvandyke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva_gunner Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu-HkBumYC8Pause it at 0:05, that's before the 1st blocked shot when he does the header that will assist the 1st shot. He looks past the keeper, if so he is offside, any HD replays of this so it's clearer ?? On that he looks exactly level (as in his forward foot is level with the goalies trailing foot) so probably not an excuse. Very very close mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Oh, it appears that only djvandyke and Matthew Le God agree that this is a form of cheating. I was sort of arguing that it was a form of cheating but, otherwise, I agree with everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coentrao Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 On that he looks exactly level (as in his forward foot is level with the goalies trailing foot) so probably not an excuse. Very very close mind. Yup too close specially on a video with that low quality, just looking for opinions as i can't really tell on that video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester City Researcher Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I already knew Matthew, but not this djvandyke. http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=176510 Read and digest the above... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlyons Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Not really. It all comes down to "an attempt to gain an unfair advantage". Clearly a defender, for example, tackling an attacking player in possession of the ball is usually an attempt to dispossess him fairly and within the rules and therefore not "an attempt to gain an unfair advantage". If he fouls it's because he mistimes the tackle or is not skillful enough or whatever but it's generally not "an attempt to gain an unfair advantage".There is always the knowledge that your attempted tackle might not win the ball cleanly, though. Any player who leaves his feet and slides into a tackle does that knowing he might miss the ball and take the the man instead. He could, instead, stay on his feet and try to win the ball without taking that risk, but chooses to make the more dangerous tackle because he has a greater chance of winning the ball. Isn't that gaining an unfair advantage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva_gunner Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Yup too close specially on a video with that low quality, just looking for opinions as i can't really tell on that video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLxNrspqpuc&hd=1 3 seconds. Looks off to me in that one, but I'd never expect a linesman to spot that (or a video replay person at the first few attempts). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coentrao Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLxNrspqpuc&hd=13 seconds. Looks off to me in that one, but I'd never expect a linesman to spot that (or a video replay person at the first few attempts). Thanks! That makes it clearer, if he is it's way too close to call it clearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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