m1234566778 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 What is the aim? The aim of the experiment is to find out how long it will take for all the teams in the Northern Premier League to be in or around the premier league. I have given them bigger balance, budgets, capacity etc. I will follow the clubs and their signings, cup runs and league status. What have I done to the database? I have done the following to all teams in the Northern Premier League: . Professional status . Morale of 20 . Increased rep to 7800 . 20,000 max attendance . 10,000 min attendance . 24,500 capacity stadium . 95,000 expansion capacity . £30,000,000 balance . £5,000,000 transfer budget . £200,000 wage budget Now to add a story line... To liven lower league football up the FA has decided to sell all Northern Premier League clubs to either rich business or multi national businesses that could pump in 'mega bucks'. Within a week all clubs had been bought by people/ businesses ranging from Bill Gates to Coca-Cola and British Airways to Richard Branson. I am pretty sure once the experiment gets going you will pick a favourite team or you might already have one, maybe you managed them in dafuge's challenge, so let the race to the Premier League begin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denther Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Not again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 Cheers for encouagement! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_lampard Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Better start this time I hope you see this one through, good luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 Currently holidaying through season one so hopefully I should get an update tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 I have also decided to lower the budgets/balance of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 [quote name='m1234566778;3308766 I am pretty sure once the experiment gets going you will pick a favourite team or you might already have one' date=' maybe you managed them in dafuge's challenge, so let the race to the Premier League begin [/i'] This experiment will never get going with you running it. It might last a couple of days before you get bored and start a new one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PluckaDuck Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Not a bad opening post, Hopefully this will be the one!!!! Best of luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berty1978 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Will be interesting, from the other posts it seems you have started a lot of these, hope you see this through. My comment about the experiment: You have a maximum attendance of 20,000? Would that not mean that thats the maximum they will ever get, meaning the 95,000 expansion will never be used. Maybe give all teams various stats, not all the same, like for example a team with a lower rep. but more money to throw around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 I actually put the max to 95,000 and set the average to 20,000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Will follow if you see this through. Big if though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 Season 1- Who got promoted? Buxton and Hednesford were the teams to gain promotion to Blue Square North. Season 2- The season 1 promoted teams Buxton League position- 1st (113 points) Blue Square North Top Scorer- Schumacher (10) Manager- Sam Alladyce Notable Staff- Gary Lewin An excellent season for Buxton as they won the league by 5 points, they signed many great players but the most high profile signing by far was Damien Duff. Hednesford League position- 2nd (108 points) Blue Square North ( promoted via play offs ) Top scorer- Besart Berisha (11) Manager- Roland Nilsson Notable Staff- Rodolfo Tavana A good season but they couldn't keep up with Buxton. There most notable signing was Daniel Gabbidon, they didn't bring in as many players as Buxton but there signings were more high profile. Season 2- Who got promoted from the NPL Frickley Athletic and Ilkeston Town. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brambleten Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 which clubs did you actually edit? how can we support one if we dont know who there is to choose from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBeast Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Are you even running the leagues in full detail? For the top two positions in the league, the top scorers getting 10 and 11 goals respectively- isn't particularly good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnefc22 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Good start but to improve it you could list all the players these two clubs have signed and sold in alist or code with prices. So for example: Guiseley - Players In Ronaldinho - £28 million Robinho - £119 million Kaka - £500000000 million David Nugent - £12 million Something like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 which clubs did you actually edit? how can we support one if we dont know who there is to choose from? All clubs in the Northern Premier league, you support a northern premier league club. Are you even running the leagues in full detail? For the top two positions in the league, the top scorers getting 10 and 11 goals respectively- isn't particularly good. Yes, the leagues are been played in full detail, I also thought the top scorer goals were low. Good start but to improve it you could list all the players these two clubs have signed and sold in alist or code with prices.So for example: Guiseley - Players In Ronaldinho - £28 million Robinho - £119 million Kaka - £500000000 million David Nugent - £12 million Something like that Good idea, players signed are a bit far fetched though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Rudd Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Let us assume that the great and good of this forum aren't intimately acquainted with the exact contents of an unplayable league, m1234566778. Which teams precisely have you edited? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBeast Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Yes, the leagues are been played in full detail, I also thought the top scorer goals were low. Strange :confused:, how many goals did the league's leading scorer get, and who was it out of interest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 Promoted teams in season 2 from the NPL have been edited into post 13. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergysafc Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 well its the best he has done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 Let us assume that the great and good of this forum aren't intimately acquainted with the exact contents of an unplayable league, m1234566778. Which teams precisely have you edited? These are the teams I have edited: Ashton United Boston United Bradford PA Buxton Cammell Laird Eastwood FC United Frickley Guiseley Hednesford Ilkeston Kendal Leigh Genesis Marine Matlock Nantwich North Ferriby Ossett Town Prescot Whitby Witton Worksop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Rudd Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Thank you. I shall support Kendal, courtesy of my failed attempt to get a team from there into Wegason's sign-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnefc22 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I am supporting Guiseley as I am currently leading them to glory in Dafuge's challenge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnefc22 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 All clubs in the Northern Premier league, you support a northern premier league club.Yes, the leagues are been played in full detail, I also thought the top scorer goals were low. Good idea, players signed are a bit far fetched though Yeah well, it was just an example. Nugent isn't too far-fetched though if they have signed DD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denther Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 No screenshots? Well there's a surprise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brambleten Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 i shall support FC United, as they are my team in the give youth a chance challenge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Rudd Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 To be honest, I think I prefer these sorts of things with no screenshots. The Singapore sign-up is almost unreadable because you spend five minutes waiting for the pages to load up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 No screenshots? Well there's a surprise Look, if you have nothing constructive to stay don't bother, can you please not post in the thread from now on, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I think the way to do it is to use links to screenshots, but if you aren't showing screenies then you need to give a lot more detail into whats actually going on maybe even a simple league table (See JoseRR's for my examples). You can do all of this without screenshots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 Thanks for comments guys (apart from d*nther) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 Who are you supporting? Jack Rudd- Kendal pnefc22- Guiseley Brambleten- FC United of Manchester Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB-forever Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I'm supporting FC United Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergysafc Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Whitby i'm supporting close to were i live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 3, 2009 Author Share Posted June 3, 2009 Whitby eh, up the east coast. Might get an update done soon but one or two tommorow for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 3, 2009 Author Share Posted June 3, 2009 Season 3- the season 1 promoted teams Buxton League position- 1st (124 points) Blue square premier Top goalscorer- Jake Thomson (28) Manager- Sam Alladyce Notable staff- Gary Walsh Well, they just get better every season but only just won the league by 2 points. They were helped by the loan system and brought in a number of key loans including Valeri Bojinov from Manchester City Hednesford League position- 2nd (122 points) Blue Square Premier Top goalscorer- Marcus Bent (42) Manager- Roland Nilsson Notable Staff- Dave Shannon Just missed out on been the champions but easily gained promotion via the play offs. They only brought in 2 players, Heinz Muller and Michael Hall. Season 3- season 2 promoted teams Frickley League position- 1st (110 points) Blue Square North Top goalscorer- Danny Graham (23) Manager- Billy Heath Notable staff- Roy Evans Frickley enjoyed their first season in the league by clinching the title. The most high profile addition to the team was Belletti who agreed a deal with the club. Ilkeston League position- 2nd (103 points) Blue Square North Top goalscorer- Jamie Mackie (27) Manager- Alan Curbishley Notable Staff- Lee Clark Promoted via the play offs after finishing 7 points behind champions Hinckley. They were helped with the high profile signing of Kenny Miller, from Rangers. Who got promoted from the NPL season 3? Nantwich and Guiseley. League position- 1st Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 3, 2009 Author Share Posted June 3, 2009 ^ Typo error with league position at end * ignore it * Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funbags Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 couldnt you of just edited it out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssestig Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I'm supporting Nantwich as it's my local team. KUTGW m1234566778 but like some of the others have said please include screenshots for the league tables. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrbfcrule Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 This is a brilliant idea. I will be supporting Marine purely because of the name Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 4, 2009 Author Share Posted June 4, 2009 Currently holidaying through another season, would anyone be interested in taking part in an NPL to EPL challenge, if I set one up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wegason Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Its not really a challenge to take a club with the following attributes: Professional status . Morale of 20 . Increased rep to 7800 . 20,000 max attendance . 10,000 min attendance . 24,500 capacity stadium . 95,000 expansion capacity . £30,000,000 balance . £5,000,000 transfer budget . £200,000 wage budget From the NPL to the Premier League. The experiment isn't really getting any analysis of what is happening, nor is it giving us any interesting results, largely because all the clubs you've edited are edited to a Premiership level and thus will storm the leagues until they reach the Championship at least. Therefore my answer would be NO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 4, 2009 Author Share Posted June 4, 2009 Everything I do/suggest you knock so this is going to be no different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Its not really a challenge to take a club with the following attributes: Professional status . Morale of 20 . Increased rep to 7800 . 20,000 max attendance . 10,000 min attendance . 24,500 capacity stadium . 95,000 expansion capacity . £30,000,000 balance . £5,000,000 transfer budget . £200,000 wage budget From the NPL to the Premier League. The experiment isn't really getting any analysis of what is happening, nor is it giving us any interesting results, largely because all the clubs you've edited are edited to a Premiership level and thus will storm the leagues until they reach the Championship at least. Therefore my answer would be NO Agreed, this would be the least challenging challenge in the history of the universe. Mine is also a NO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 He's got a point. Perhaps if you'd done several experiments with the clubs to see which attributes would result in them getting to the EPL the quickest and then who would stay their the most, become the biggest club etc. So for example you have these elements: World Class bank balance - You give the side a starting balance similar to that of World Class clubs, the likes of Barcelona, Man United, Inter Milan etc. Can money, and money alone bring the club success? World Class stadium - You give the side a stadium similar to that of the World Class stadiums in the World, the likes of Camp Nou, San Siro and Olimpico. Can a World Class stadium help with the future success, or will it just leave the club in huge debts? World Class reputation - You give the side a reputation similar to that of the highest reputation clubs in the game, the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona and Man United. Can the club's massive reputation bring them success, without the initial staff, facilities and of course, money? World Class Training Facilities - You give the side training facilities similar to that of World Class teams, can the training ground alone attract money and success? World Class Youth Set-up - You give the side a Youth Set-up similar to that of World Class sides, it might not make an impact straight away but will it help in the long term aspect of the sides future? World Class Squad - You give the side 26 of the World's greatest players in each of the positions (obviously not 26 GK's, 26 DR's etc). With the players sure to make an initial impact, will the club keep the players and fly up the leagues, or more realistically can they ever make it through just the original sales of these players? World Class Staff - You give the side the World's finest staff, that includes manager, assistant, first team coach etc. With the money the club will receive if the staff choose to leave for another club that that high, will they have to rely on some of the staff to stay on and show some loyalty? World Class Chairman - You give the side a World Class chairman. Will a rich, ambitious and loyal Chairman be able to bring a club right the way from scratch up into the spoils of the Premier League? For each one you could pick one of them and everything else at the club would be average for that division, and then you see which clubs do the best. That would be far more interesting in my opinion, as your experiment at the moment just seems to be really easy as Wegason said, because you've edited every single aspect (well not everything I've listed, but you get what I mean) it's ridiculously easy for the clubs to succeed and it's inevitable that even a really crap FM'er could take a club with those kind of attributes to at least the CCC with ease. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clrkaitken Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 What is the aim? The aim of the experiment is to find out how long it will take for all the teams in the Northern Premier League to be in or around the premier league. I have given them bigger balance, budgets, capacity etc. I will follow the clubs and their signings, cup runs and league status. That is your OWN writing, m. It's an okay premise, but you clearly state what you want to do, and that's great. But, of the four things you state that you will do, you did ONE of them, and poorly at that. Season 2 - Buxton comes 1st, Hednesford comes 2nd, and gets promoted via the playoffs. That's it? What else happened? Who did they sign? How did Sam Allardyce end up managing lowly Buxton? How did they do in the Cups? Who got relegated? You see why we get frustrated with you, m? You don't commit to what you say you want to do. You are so focused on the end result of seeing all the NPL teams doing battle with the likes of Chelsea and Man U, that you overlook all the little nuances that make an AI experiment worth tracking. You don't see the forest for the trees. Do you read the Bandits experiment? Notice how Kip gives an in-depth summary of the entire footballing world going on in his game? The editing he's done to the Bandits and the Sherrifs is just as implausible as what you've done, but because he meticulously tracks the progress, we become invested in what happens. Compare that to yours. Buxton got promoted. Whooppee. Why do I care? You've given us hardly any reason to actually follow your experiment, let alone ask for a copy of the save so that we can play Dafuge's Challenge on Easy mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnefc22 Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Who got promoted from the NPL season 3? Nantwich and Guiseley. Yes! Go Guiseley! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 4, 2009 Author Share Posted June 4, 2009 Okay so the challenge is a no, if I put details like Champions league winner, Premier League winner etc, would that be better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 It would be better to focus more on the clubs in the experiment, before you venture onto the clubs outside of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clrkaitken Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Precisely. Again, your initial post said you;d follow the clubs and their signings, their cup runs and their league status. That's a pretty good summary of information we'd like to know. Buxton's now won 3 consecutive promotions; so how are they coping? Have they revamped their roster, or was it good enough to keep intact as the team moves up? Is anybody in the leagues even offering a challenge to these pumped-up clubs? Those are the kinds of things that provide value to an experiment like this, not just who won each competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1234566778 Posted June 4, 2009 Author Share Posted June 4, 2009 How about if I did a review of a club every few updates. Say, Buxton one update, Guiseley another update and so on, so you get an idea of the teams/squads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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