SI Staff Simon Tipple Posted November 23, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted November 23, 2020 Please post any data issues related to Portugal here. As much of the data is subjective we’d ask that you respect everyone’s opinion and accept that the final decision is that of our club researchers and our heads of research. We also request you please adhere to the following three point plan when posting in the data topics: · State what you think is specifically wrong with a particular piece of data. · State what you think the data should be. · State reasons/proof for your suggested corrections/improvements. Please note that any non-data issues for Portugal should be posted in the appropriate thread within the League Specific Issues forum. This would include issues such as league scheduling, league table sorting rules and match rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esca Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Hello, is that normal that most of Portuguese clubs (Benfica especially) put several of their u18 players transfer listed for 0? They are currently transfer listed because the clubs thinks they do not currently have a role for him to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladeshot Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) Probably because ai manager sees their hidden potential and since they have under extremely low PA they just try to sell them for 0€ or even terminate their contracts. Edited November 26, 2020 by Bladeshot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Bladeshot said: Probably because ai manager sees their hidden potential and since they have under extremely low PA they just try to sell them for 0€ or even terminate their contracts. This is not a discussion forum, so please read the forum posting guidelines before posting again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmamiguel92 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 It's still happening. B teams playing the cups. In this example Benfica plays Sporting B away....in Estadio da Luz. The save was started after the beta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigasAlpas Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I was trying an online save with a friend, one in Sporting Lisbon and another in Sporting Lisbon B, but he can't manage any game, friendlies or league games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drabori Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 The B teams are playing in the League Cup The GK of the year are a little strange, There is the GK that most conceded in the league and the others are not the other that conceded less goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Those are not database issues, please report on league specific issues. Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ed Hewison Posted November 30, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted November 30, 2020 7 hours ago, PandoraBox said: Those are not database issues, please report on league specific issues. Thank you Yes, as @PandoraBox says. The above issues from @palmamiguel92 & @Drabori should be reported here. EDIT: Thanks to @palmamiguel92 for already doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ed Hewison Posted November 30, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 28/11/2020 at 20:01, MigasAlpas said: I was trying an online save with a friend, one in Sporting Lisbon and another in Sporting Lisbon B, but he can't manage any game, friendlies or league games. If one of you is Sporting Lisbon B manager, you might already have yourself set to manage both clubs. It won't be a data issue though, and will likely need to be logged here, as it affect B team - https://community.sigames.com/forum/828-all-other-gameplay/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteeagle81 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 The Youth Team of Estrela da Amadora doesnt play in the Youth League System... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRolls Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Hi, I wanted to point out something that seems like a database issue to me. I'm managing the SC Farense, following a trip there where I had the chance to attend a game. I purchased the lowest price ticket, which cost me 20€. But in FM, the average cost for a ticket is 8€. Perhaps this price doesn't reflect the new ticket price for playing in 1st division ? For the record, it wasn't a "big" game (against Porto, SLB or Braga) as they faced Rio Ave which was ranked 13th at that time. Besides the loss of income that I would be happy to see back, I'm just trying to make the game the most accurate possible. Kind Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 7 horas atrás, TheRolls disse: Hi, I wanted to point out something that seems like a database issue to me. I'm managing the SC Farense, following a trip there where I had the chance to attend a game. I purchased the lowest price ticket, which cost me 20€. But in FM, the average cost for a ticket is 8€. Perhaps this price doesn't reflect the new ticket price for playing in 1st division ? For the record, it wasn't a "big" game (against Porto, SLB or Braga) as they faced Rio Ave which was ranked 13th at that time. Besides the loss of income that I would be happy to see back, I'm just trying to make the game the most accurate possible. Kind Regards You were probably unlucky. €20 is CL ticket price in Portugal. €8 were Farense's ticket prices for the 2nd league, but it won't be much higher than that in Portuguese Premier league. €2 club members aka "sócio" €7 club members plus one €8 non club members Edit: If you meant this season's Farense - Rio Ave, it was an experimental match with limited lotation, so it was normal for Farense to milk the allowed 860 only spectators. That's obviously not the normal prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlingShot Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 This is not a bug but an update. Sergio Oliveira and Porto extended his contract until 2025 https://www.zerozero.pt/news.php?id=306361 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randgris Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Problem: -Benfica ALWAYS change president on first election I dont know why is it hardcoded like this but makes no sense to always replace the president on first election when in real life it was obvious that he was gonna win again, i tried to load the save over and over again with 1 month before election and result is always the same, tried to start 7 different saves with different databases and in those 7 saves the result was the same How to change: -Make it more probable for the current president to win the elections Prove: https://www.slbenfica.pt/en-us/agora/noticias/2020/10/28/clube-benfica-eleicoes-2020-orgaos-sociais-quadrienio-2020-2024-votacao 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttley84 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 @PandoraBox In FMTouch Vilafranquense starts with a stadium expansion to be completed by 2022... and its of 35.000 seats stadium. I've simmed ahead and it does happen. Isn't it a bit to much for them? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 15 horas atrás, Muttley84 disse: @PandoraBox In FMTouch Vilafranquense starts with a stadium expansion to be completed by 2022... and its of 35.000 seats stadium. I've simmed ahead and it does happen. Isn't it a bit to much for them? correct, should be 3,5k Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa5 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 On 25/12/2020 at 23:47, Randgris said: Problem: -Benfica ALWAYS change president on first election I dont know why is it hardcoded like this but makes no sense to always replace the president on first election when in real life it was obvious that he was gonna win again, i tried to load the save over and over again with 1 month before election and result is always the same, tried to start 7 different saves with different databases and in those 7 saves the result was the same How to change: -Make it more probable for the current president to win the elections Prove: https://www.slbenfica.pt/en-us/agora/noticias/2020/10/28/clube-benfica-eleicoes-2020-orgaos-sociais-quadrienio-2020-2024-votacao I came across this issue as well! when can we expect it to be fixed? fm2022? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 The following people have had their Date of Birth entered into their Full Name field: Frederico Fonseca - 2000012320 Filipe Portugal - 2000015970 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 4 horas atrás, metal_guitarist disse: The following people have had their Date of Birth entered into their Full Name field: Frederico Fonseca - 2000012320 Filipe Portugal - 2000015970 Thanks, those were already correct for the upcoming database update 4 horas atrás, Rafa5 disse: I came across this issue as well! when can we expect it to be fixed? fm2022? upcoming database update Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa5 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, PandoraBox said: Thanks, those were already correct for the upcoming database update upcoming database update Is there any way to correct it using the editor? Dont wanna wait until next database update to make my portuguese save Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigasAlpas Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 30/11/2020 at 17:36, Ed Hewison said: If one of you is Sporting Lisbon B manager, you might already have yourself set to manage both clubs. It won't be a data issue though, and will likely need to be logged here, as it affect B team - https://community.sigames.com/forum/828-all-other-gameplay/ I am managing the first team and in team responsibilities, I can't add my friend who is manager of the B team to manage games. Basically, he can change trainings, and other stuff but can't manage his team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananahk Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 wonder if it was a error on DB. I go to some Portugal personal and found that the salary after tax is strange. E.G. Porto - Sergio Conceicao Salary 18500 p/w , but 5500 p/w after tax Sporting CP - Rafael Camacho Salary 15500 p/w, but 4300 p/w after tax is it they are paying 72% tax? Is the rate normal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randgris Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 On 01/01/2021 at 14:22, bananahk said: wonder if it was a error on DB. I go to some Portugal personal and found that the salary after tax is strange. E.G. Porto - Sergio Conceicao Salary 18500 p/w , but 5500 p/w after tax Sporting CP - Rafael Camacho Salary 15500 p/w, but 4300 p/w after tax is it they are paying 72% tax? Is the rate normal? Im guessing its due to corona situation, most staff and players from Sporting and Porto had some paycuts in their salaries because of corona Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananahk Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 13 hours ago, Randgris said: Im guessing its due to corona situation, most staff and players from Sporting and Porto had some paycuts in their salaries because of corona aware that this is not discussion forum. note that club still paying normal salary, just tax ratio strange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dongjianjian1 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) Pedro Porro PA 154.It is reasonable to receive the influence of injury before. But Pedro Porro has recovered well from the injury. Now sports CP ranks first in the Liga NOS and has reached the final of the Portuguese League Cup. Pedro Porro is the absolute main force, and the performance is also very good. Attached is a screenshot of whoscored's ratings. Considering that he is only 21 years old, I think his PA should be given 160. Edited January 22, 2021 by dongjianjian1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvalho.rodrigo Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 In Portugal, in the NOS league, the winter transfer window ends after the players' registration date. All players transferred on the last day,cannot be registered until the next window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlingShot Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Pepê signed by Porto. https://www.zerozero.pt/news.php?id=313591 https://www.fcporto.pt/pt/noticias/20210218-pt-pepe-e-reforco-para-a-proxima-temporada This will be include in any update? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Database is already closed since like 4 days ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlingShot Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 But will be included in a later update? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acceptz Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) I'm shocked when I saw the PA of Tiago Tomas. 1. He is a starter of Sporting this season, even after Paulinho joined in winter. 2. He is only aged 18. 3. Sporting is the leader of the league now. In the major leagues such as PL, Serie A, La liga, if a regular first team player is younger than 20, his PA will definately be -85 or -9, not to mention the leader of the league. We can also compare him to a young player in the same league last year, Fabio Silva, he is not a starter of porto, and scored 0 goals, but got a pa of -9. I understand a play's PA is subjective, but for Tiago Tomas, -8 is so underated. Look at the picture below, all of these players got a pa -85/-9, except Tiago Tomas. Edited February 23, 2021 by acceptz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lk17 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Worse than the PA of TT, is Neto having 13 passing, and Gonçalo Inácio 10.... is kind of a joke . Other think that I notice is the position of Pedro Gonçalves, the man passed the entire season playing at the right and he still not natural in this update. Sporting have 100% of Matheus Nunes, the user said that they closed the update 4 days ago, and at that time Matheus was 100% lion, so another mistake. It is oficial 6 days ago. My english is not perfect but I think that you guys will understand, take a look at the things that I said please, we pay for that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 12 minutos atrás, lk17 disse: Worse than the PA of TT, is Neto having 13 passing, and Gonçalo Inácio 10.... is kind of a joke . Other think that I notice is the position of Pedro Gonçalves, the man passed the entire season playing at the right and he still not natural in this update. Sporting have 100% of Matheus Nunes, the user said that they closed the update 4 days ago, and at that time Matheus was 100% lion, so another mistake. It is oficial 6 days ago. My english is not perfect but I think that you guys will understand, take a look at the things that I said please, we pay for that. what about doing some maths? Time is not static, i wrote on the 18th that the database was closed 4 days prior to that, that means, on the 14th. Sporting announced it on the 17th! https://web3.cmvm.pt/sdi/emitentes/docs/FR78223.pdf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lk17 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Right, my bad I didnt saw the date of your answear. But that dont give you the right to answear me like that, you are a employee of a game that I payed for, so have a little of respect. But since you started giving me advices why didnt you talk about Tiago Tomás (2 posts talking about that, you ignored), Gonçalo Inácio passing vs Neto, and about Pedro Gonçalves? Edited February 23, 2021 by lk17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 29 minutos atrás, lk17 disse: Right, my bad I didnt saw the date of your answear. But that dont give you the right to answear me like that, you are a employee of a game that I payed for, so have a little of respect. But since you started giving me advices why didnt you talk about Tiago Tomás (2 posts talking about that, you ignored), Gonçalo Inácio passing vs Neto, and about Pedro Gonçalves? No i'm not, researchers are not SI employees, i just answered to you using the same tone you blamed us. I don't answer the rest, because we don't answer to subjective data, like we've always done. Matheus Nunes was not a subjective data, hence why i replied about it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acceptz Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 47 分钟前, lk17说: Worse than the PA of TT, is Neto having 13 passing, and Gonçalo Inácio 10.... is kind of a joke . Other think that I notice is the position of Pedro Gonçalves, the man passed the entire season playing at the right and he still not natural in this update. Sporting have 100% of Matheus Nunes, the user said that they closed the update 4 days ago, and at that time Matheus was 100% lion, so another mistake. It is oficial 6 days ago. My english is not perfect but I think that you guys will understand, take a look at the things that I said please, we pay for that. For Gonçalo Inácio, his pa is -7.5. Let's take a look at his match history this season. We can see it clearly that he became a regular starter in year 2021, and he performs really good for his age. I know it's hard to make a accurate adjustment to his CA because the samples aren't enough, so 116 maybe is good enough for him now, but why give him such a low PA. I know maybe he is not the top talent at a younger age , like 15,16, so the researcher won't give him a PA like -9, but didn't he worth a PA like -8/-85 or around 160? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Let me explain this, appearances mean 0 to the players evaluation. He could be a starter with PA -5 He could be a reserve with a PA -9 It's our subjective opinion about his skills and potential that matter. If someone isn't happy with our evaluation, there's always the editor available to increase/decrease skills that you don't agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acceptz Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I think either the researcher or the normal players like me are both football fans, and we also love this game very much. We all want the datas in the game are more close to real world football players, and I do appriciate the great work the researcher did for us, you all have my full respect. And I also want to say that making advices politely is not blaming the researchers, why couldn't you even take a look at these advices just because it's subjective? I post the data to support my advices, 10 playes at the age of 17/18 played more than 20 games this season. I want to ask a question did I made a subjective advice? Pedri (Barcelona 4th) -95 Doku (Rennes 8th) -9 Reyna (Dortmund 6th) -9 Gravenberch (PSV 2nd) -9 Madueke (PSV 2nd) -85 Bellingham (Dortmund 6th) -9 Camavinga (Rennes 8th) -10 Musah (Valencia 12th) -85 Wirtz (Leverkusen 5th) -9 Tiago Tomas (Sporting 1st) -8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 minuto atrás, acceptz disse: I think either the researcher or the normal players like me are both football fans, and we also love this game very much. We all want the datas in the game are more close to real world football players, and I do appriciate the great work the researcher did for us, you all have my full respect. And I also want to say that making advices politely is not blaming the researchers, why couldn't you even take a look at these advices just because it's subjective? I post the data to support my advices, 10 playes at the age of 17/18 played more than 20 games this season. I want to ask a question did I made a subjective advice? Pedri (Barcelona 4th) -95 Doku (Rennes 8th) -9 Reyna (Dortmund 6th) -9 Gravenberch (PSV 2nd) -9 Madueke (PSV 2nd) -85 Bellingham (Dortmund 6th) -9 Camavinga (Rennes 8th) -10 Musah (Valencia 12th) -85 Wirtz (Leverkusen 5th) -9 Tiago Tomas (Sporting 1st) -8 Yes, you want us to increase Tiago Tomás PA, that's your opinion, not ours, hence why it is subjective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acceptz Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Okay, I have no words to express my disappointment about this discussion. I tried to provide the reasons, but it seems the ego of you blind your eyes. I know you did tons of work for this game and there is nothing returns, so the advices makes you feel blamed, I'm sorry for that and I won't bother any more. Edited February 23, 2021 by acceptz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I'm sorry, i understand that you want to see your team in FM how you see it "with your eyes", i'm sure there are many more persons with the same opinion about Tiago Tomás that you have. Unfortunately i'm not one of them. I see Tiago Tomás as a fast, determinated, hardworking player, not among the best when it comes to talent though. Citar As much of the data is subjective we’d ask that you respect everyone’s opinion and accept that the final decision is that of our club researchers and our heads of research. In the end there's always this advice in the 1st post. Maybe one day he will prove me wrong. I have failed before, i will fail again no doubts about it. Hopefully i fail this one, as it means we will have another great player for our national team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladeshot Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) main issue with CA / PA's is that game undervalues most players compared to regens. 1st year of regens gives you more wonderkids with 170+PA than the last 4 or 5 years of DB. all CA/PA should go up by a decent margin. sergio ramos (outside portuguese DB example) never had more than 180 CA which is completetly bonkers considering the fact that he is unquestionably the best defender in the last 20 years meanwhile in the 1st regen year you get at least 1 or 2 180+ DC regen. Take the whole SportingCP u19's team. 90% odds you get a better regen than all the u19 players you have except 1st team players. Main idea is Regens>>>Wonderkids. Edited February 24, 2021 by Bladeshot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randgris Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 On 29/12/2020 at 22:13, PandoraBox said: Thanks, those were already correct for the upcoming database update upcoming database update I waited patiently about this fix and after winter transfer update and surprise surprise its still the same, nothing was fixed, bought the game back in november and didnt play it. Im waiting for months about this fix and was totally ignored And now i cant even refund the game because of the many hours spent trying to fix this, i guess after 15 years it time to stop buying this game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hora atrás, Randgris disse: I waited patiently about this fix and after winter transfer update and surprise surprise its still the same, nothing was fixed, bought the game back in november and didnt play it. Im waiting for months about this fix and was totally ignored And now i cant even refund the game because of the many hours spent trying to fix this, i guess after 15 years it time to stop buying this game That's not a dabatase issue anymore. His board confidence was increased to 150, it's not 200 because he said that would leave after this last term that he won. I don't control the AI of the game to make him win the elections, and those need to happen, to simulate real life. And very sorry that you can't play FM because Luis Filipe Vieira doesn't win the elections in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randgris Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, PandoraBox said: That's not a dabatase issue anymore. His board confidence was increased to 150, it's not 200 because he said that would leave after this last term that he won. I don't control the AI of the game to make him win the elections, and those need to happen, to simulate real life. And very sorry that you can't play FM because Luis Filipe Vieira doesn't win the elections in the game. That was a very unnecessary comment and not professional at all The problem is that since there is a new president all staff get renewed and replaced by regens that are horrible, like i posted before the bug isnt in board confidence its low, the problem is that no matter how much board confidence or reputation he has its always getting replaced no matter if the game assume he is gonna win, its hardcoded in game to get replaced everytime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 minuto atrás, Randgris disse: That was a very unnecessary comment and not professional at all The problem is that since there is a new president all staff get renewed and replaced by regens that are horrible, like i posted before the bug isnt in board confidence its low, the problem is that no matter how much board confidence or reputation he has its always getting replaced no matter if the game assume he is gonna win, its hardcoded in game to get replaced everytime If you know that no matter the value set on his board confidence it doesn't change anything, then this isn't the place to post this. It's not a database issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randgris Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, PandoraBox said: If you know that no matter the value set on his board confidence it doesn't change anything, then this isn't the place to post this. It's not a database issue. Where can i post about this issue then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 "All other gameplay" should be fine, to post about this issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TioPatinhax Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Reggie Cannon at Boavista makes over a 1M gross per year?! Believe that is inaccurate, especially when you compare his salary to the other players of the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Not an error, he actually is. Hence why Boavista is desperately trying to plant news about possible sales, to offload him. It was a bold move by Boavista's owner, Gerard Lopez, to make quick cash, but Boavista's horrible season has been ruining any potential players sales/price rising Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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