Northernpilgrim Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 OK, so I'm back, and this time with something very, very different! The Challenge I've removed every single team from their current division in the English Leagues, and recreated the divisions as follows: The Premier League has been reduced to 12 teams (as the Football League was in 1888-89), and the original 12 teams have been placed there instead, with Accrington Stanley replacing the original Accrington FC I've then inserted every other team that has ever played in the English League (and still exists), in order of when they first appeared in the Football League, and put them into divisions of 24 for the Championship, Leagues 1 and 2, and the remaining 37 clubs go into the National League, as I couldn't find a way to create another division below it. Here are what the other divisions look like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 The Starting Point and the challenge The challenge is to win the Premier League before any of the teams that have done so in real life and are not current Premier League teams. NOTE: I have left all players where they are in real life, and haven't touched any club's finances at all. You'll notice both Manchester clubs in the Championship, as are Arsenal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 Here are our fixtures for the 2016/17 season, which remarkably, due to there only being 12 teams, fit on one screenshot, and every league game is set for a Saturday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 And this is my manager profile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 This is a very interesting challenge Can't wait to see how it pans out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 Just now, Pompeyboyz said: This is a very interesting challenge Can't wait to see how it pans out Thanks mate. I'm guessing I don't have long, although by having a 2 up, 2 down structure throughout the leagues (and no playoffs), I'm hoping I'll have a couple of seasons at least before there are too many big clubs around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 Preseason results were certainly encouraging Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noikeee Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Did you change anything in terms of squads? I mean, poor Accrington Stanley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 20 minutes ago, noikeee said: Did you change anything in terms of squads? I mean, poor Accrington Stanley. Nothing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 August results weren't brilliant but Blackburn have had a brilliant start, and we can still win the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andychar Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Love this idea. Even when the leagues are completely changed around Mansfield Town still get shafted! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 September wasn't great but we actually moved up a place to 4th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 3 hours ago, andychar said: Love this idea. Even when the leagues are completely changed around Mansfield Town still get shafted! Thanks andychar, and sorry. I genuinely hasd no idea who would end up where when I started, but there are certainly going to be some interesting developments if this goes on a few seasons, as only two go up from the Championship (there are no playoffs as they didn't exist, and I couldn't replicate the bottom 4 having to apply for re-election, so settled on 2 up 2 down all the way through). I've also realised that I haven't set any league sorting rules, so I'm not sure what happens if teams finish level on points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 October and November were also up and down and as a result we've lost ground Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 December and January were also inconsistent but we have regained a place in the top 4, with top 6 the board's aim for the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Interesting challenges Good luck with Stoke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 Two wins out of two in February, making it 4 in a row in total and we're in a season high second place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenzar Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Interesting to see Preston struggle given they won it IRL! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, Lenzar said: Interesting to see Preston struggle given they won it IRL! Indeed. Given that of the 12 teams there are 4 who are actual current PL teams, you'd expect those 4 to be the top clubs (which 3 of them are). I'd have expected Accrington and Notts County to be cut adrift, but they're not, and Accrington could stay up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 March and April weren't great, but our unbeaten run was only ended by table-toppers Everton which denied us the chance to cut their lead to 6 points, and wrapped up the title race for this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 After the Everton game, I was offered, and accepted, a new 2 year contract with Stoke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkAussie Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 So a intersting challenge to say the least. I had a similiar idea in FM15 when I was creating a database that replicated 1953. But what was different was that my database was an alternate 1953 not OTL like this one. Of course a problem is the fact of Champion League action as that didn't happen in 1888. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 We suffered a frustrating, disappointing end to the season dropping from second to fifth, but holding on to a European place (although I don't yet know if the European competitions are working properly) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutzilla Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 This is brilliant is hard to make though because i want to play like this for fun how you make this leauges Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 and here are the other league tables, beginning with the Championship League 1 League 2 and the National League Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 25 minutes ago, Nutzilla said: This is brilliant is hard to make though because i want to play like this for fun how you make this leauges I've uploaded the League structure to the Editors Hideaway forum, and here is a link if you want to try it https://community.sigames.com/topic/408146-football-league-1888/ Just place the file in the FM17 folder called 'Editor Data', start a new save and it should work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutzilla Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Thank you so much thay is very kind of you i will dowload this weekend and play next week im looking forward so much it looks great thanks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltablue Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Super concept Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maw74 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Interesting save but 72 games in the National League , Poor Scarborough couldn't even notch up a single win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter_Morgan Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Brilliant concept i'll be following this, I take it the bigger clubs ended up losing a lot of players due to the lower divisions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ispoa Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Would like to see who gets relegated when the current premier league teams come up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 On 9/10/2017 at 11:40, Maw74 said: Interesting save but 72 games in the National League , Poor Scarborough couldn't even notch up a single win. Only because I couldn't figure out how to make multiple leagues run at National League level, and I didn't want them running at different levels on the league pyramid. If anyone can solve it they're welcome to access the file in the Editors Hideaway (see link above) and play about with it. I also hadn't realised when I started that the transfer window rules didn't copy over, so players can be bought and sold whenever (which ironically is realistic as this was true in 1888), and also no TV deal, so there isn't mega money in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 On 9/9/2017 at 13:36, deltablue said: Super concept Thanks delta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 On 9/10/2017 at 16:18, Dexter_Morgan said: Brilliant concept i'll be following this, I take it the bigger clubs ended up losing a lot of players due to the lower divisions? Man Utd lost one player, Valencia. Arsenal have been hit rather harder. It'll be interesting to see how they both do in the top flight next season. Man City have only lost Toure despite not going up, Liverpool lost Can and Origi, Chelsea lost Alonso and Costa while they won League 1, Tottenham lost Davies and Dembele but added Origi and Callum Wilson which helped them get promoted with Chelsea. Both will be expecting back-to-back promotions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 We're still in May, and this happens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 Within three days the deal is done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 Looks like I'm safe... for now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 The Premier League fixtures are out, and there are Sunday games this time because of our European commitments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 Three games in preseason, and no goals conceded was the positive, but we aren't exactly free-scoring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxToBox Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Northernpilgrim said: Only because I couldn't figure out how to make multiple leagues run at National League level, and I didn't want them running at different levels on the league pyramid. If anyone can solve it they're welcome to access the file in the Editors Hideaway (see link above) and play about with it. I also hadn't realised when I started that the transfer window rules didn't copy over, so players can be bought and sold whenever (which ironically is realistic as this was true in 1888), and also no TV deal, so there isn't mega money in the game. Could you set it so each team plays each once, that'd be a reasonable 36 games, though the home/away thing would be a whole other thing, but there are leagues that play 3 games that have odd numbers of home games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 That is just bonkers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, Nobby_McDonald said: That is just bonkers. What is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 The Europa League draw has been made, and our group looks tough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 We made a perfect start to our league campaign and are joint top of the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 September was a tougher month which saw us lose ground on the leaders although we're going well in Europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 It doesn't look likely we'll win the League this year, which means we need Everton to retain the title if the challenge is to go into a third season. With Chelsea and Leicester leading the way in the Championship, next season is set to be even tougher if it's even still doable by then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 October had only three games, and just two league fixtures as we held on to our top 4 spot and strengthened our position in Europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 Apart from conceding a late equaliser to West Brom, November was perfect and helped us cement a top 4 spot as well as winning our Europa League group Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 A perfect month in the league in December, and we finished our Europa League group unbeaten too leaving the league table looking like this and confirming our Europa League progression Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernpilgrim Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 Two games, and four points, in January, but what a fantastic win which sees us further strengthen our top 4 ambitions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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