[FM22] The Great San Marino Challenge

[The Regista]

That's as much as I can show on one screen.

[duesouth]

18 hours ago, 6499red said:

I have one from last year with the club badge, kits and stadium but I need to know the unique ID of the club  before I could release it, so if anyone could get me that i can release.

 

Edit: because I don't have the game/editor yet

It's 2000113410

[6499red]

1 hour ago, Handyfernandy said:

Hi Everyone i create kits and logo pack for Victor San Marino. I'm Sorry if my works is bad because i made for the first time 
https://www.mediafire.com/file/berun319641jw8z/FM_2022_San_Marino_File.rar/file 

FM 2022 San Marino File.rar 126.94 kB · 3 downloads

I'll link them in the top post if that's okay? cheers.

[6499red]

1 hour ago, Conardo said:

So far so good - but which Eccellenza is it?

 

Have it: Eccellenza Emilia-Romagna C.

 

Wow.I have a pic of the "stadium" .... not so much grass

 

But maybe its wrong? // Must be an older one ... here i have the new one: Stadio Acquaviva

 

yeah, the new one you have is it, i think, i think it got revamped relatively recently - same stadium but new pitch and stand.

Edited November 12, 2021 by 6499red

[6499red]

1 hour ago, duesouth said:

It's 2000113410

thanks, i put mine and handyfernandys graphics in the front post.

[6499red]

1 hour ago, TacticalGenius said:

The DB I used didn't have cups below Serie C, but did have playoff semis entry for 2nd place and finals entry for winners... Idk if the cups are worth starting again for... Hmm.

Either way, not going to make too much difference when you are *hopefully* dominating Serie A

[TacticalGenius]

36 minutes ago, 6499red said:

Either way, not going to make too much difference when you are *hopefully* dominating Serie A

Also my San Marino league has no cups either.

[HHUK]

Hey guys,

I was doing some research on the club as there's surprisingly little on the internet, the best source of information seems to be their Facebook page, their home sponsor is a local bar and their away sponsor is a ghost on the internet but from the translation I'm guessing it's the San Marino government Research and Development department. I've recreated their current official shirts in both 2D and 3D. The 3D version is more accurate as the templates already exist, sleeves are a little off on the 2D version so I went for the nicest looking equivalents.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/792jb70yee0w1nm/SanMarino.rar/file

Edited November 12, 2021 by HHUK

[duesouth]

OK - let's go!!!  Really excited to be getting back into a true San Marino Challenge post-San Marino Calcio's demise.

Thanks again to claassen for the files; @6499red for running the thread and for the kits/logo - and also @HHUK and @Handyfernandy for the other 2 kits - think I'll rotate the 3 over the save!

So, after a little thought - I went with a dual save.  Victor San Marino and then after a trip to the UEFA website, I found the team bottom of the table irl - Cosmos.

Victor San Marino

No question, the goal here is to get out of this league and then Serie D ASAP.  So 2 up top, a positive middle block 4-2-4 and be relatively direct - none of this possession stuff!  The squad, as you all will know, isn't great - I particularly would have liked a better Target Forward - but with short-term contracts, they can be moved on fairly easily.  The DNA for the club is:

Cosmos

Lots of holes in the team, so it will be a case of using trial days as much as possible.  Facilities might start to be upgraded before Victor San Marino as European prize money should be accessible long before it is with VSM.  A 4-2-2-2 (2 DMs) or a 4-4-2 will be the tactic here - with the focus being jumping reach, strength - and for wide players and an AF - pace/acceleration.  I can't be picky at this level, so good mentals if I can.

I still haven't pressed "Continue" - signing staff and inviting a few trial players in, but will then push on for this long challenge.  Can't wait!!

[TacticalGenius]

@HHUK Looks a lot like the kits I had made but I couldn't find a logo for the away...

[The Regista]

I'm off and re-running too.

As I mentioned before, I would also be looking at a 4-2-4 system that I've used a lot in the last few FM's whilst managing lower league teams. I view the KISS rule highly - Keep It Simple Stupid. So that's what we're going to do!

Eventually I want us playing a possession hungry game. I'll be hoping to develop incredibly technical players, preferably with bags of flair. My preferred system on FM is a Vertical Tiki Taka which I hope to base our nation's team around in the future.

Let's not run before we can crawl...

[HHUK]

I had to try recreate their away logo from a blurry Facebook picture.  Luckily the text below RSM is too small to realistically read anywhere ingame.

I'm finally going to start my save. I've been kicking around in some terrible leagues like North Korea developing lower league tactics and I've found some pretty good ones. 

[deadfncat]

started again with both the DBs in the starting post. the other i was using wasnt giving me youth teams or cup games. Thanks for the kit/logos too

Australian managing in San Marino with no knowledge of Italian lets go!

 

[TacticalGenius]

I’ve started again. The ‘official’ databases have cups, and more importantly, reserve and youth sides. Plus I feel better knowing it’s a more level playing field with everyone else. 

[bigmattb28]

@claassen Has done the Italy & San Marino leagues in the workshop so it looks like this challenge is definitely doable! I'm loading them up now to see if it is

[deadfncat]

The team is really strong in this league. I just ran a basic 442 and was able to win the league as well as both cups. worked out pretty well. We won the league by A LOT and only dropped 1 game all year

Youth intake was pretty bad but there were some local kids so at least thats working

National team beat Andorra, drew with them and drew a friendly with faroe islands. got smashed by everyone else

 

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by deadfncat

[bigmattb28]

They're playable! Anyone got the clubs badge to use at all?

[bigmattb28]

Sorry. I should've read the opening post. Gonna start this now

[The Regista]

Fair play to you @TacticalGenius - I can imagine its a bit naff to restart given your progress.

@deadfncathow long did it take you to complete one season?!

[TheJonsterMonster]

I've no idea why it's taken me this long to think of looking for the San Marino thread - big thanks to everyone for all the work that's gone into this. I'll be hibernating this winter with this save. 

Now to tell the wife and kids why I might be muttering random Italian names in my sleep...

[The Regista]

Just now, TheJonsterMonster said:

I've no idea why it's taken me this long to think of looking for the San Marino thread - big thanks to everyone for all the work that's gone into this. I'll be hibernating this winter with this save. 

Now to tell the wife and kids why I might be muttering random Italian names in my sleep...

Don't worry, I've just been called sad by my Mrs for celebrating  a lovely dinked finish after a swish move.

[Lefurjah]

Starting a save today using DB listed at the start.  Will be coaching Folgore/Falciano, yea I know defending champs but going to be a tough enough save as it is.   Will update as season goes.

 

[TacticalGenius]

Finding it a little harder this time around, but for good reason. The first database I used had no squad registration or transfer windows, no cups… It felt wrong but I figured once I was in Serie C it wouldn’t matter anyway as the career is about what happens way past all that. I’m not complaining at all. I’m happy that it’s more realistic now and top marks to @claassen for getting it done right. 

[deadfncat]

9 hours ago, The Regista said:

Fair play to you @TacticalGenius - I can imagine its a bit naff to restart given your progress.

@deadfncathow long did it take you to complete one season?!

played all day yesterday. wasnt too intense and i didnt really need to go into too much depth to get the team working well

[deadfncat]

the other team is playing a ghost squad. is that in the rules?

 

 

also how good is this result?

Edited November 14, 2021 by deadfncat

[Arranjl]

1 hour ago, deadfncat said:

the other team is playing a ghost squad. is that in the rules?

 

Makes the handball rule a bit harder to judge but I guess so lol

[The Regista]

@6499red Cross me the off the "Win a match" and "win a competitive game" please!

Also I'm happy I kept England to single figures...

Edited November 14, 2021 by The Regista

[HHUK]

I've decided to start a second save alongside my first, this time with the intention of holidaying a lot to get to the future with the editor on so I can see if the youth rating changes over time. The finances tho, the lower divisions look like a real money drain. 

[duesouth]

@6499red 1st two National Team achievements for me please - win a game and win a competitive game.  Late drama with a 91st minute direct free kick beauty from King of the Long Shots, Mr Nicola Nanni!  It is possible there were scenes at Duesouth Towers!!!

[LUFCspeni]

Just finished the 2nd season of my save. First season I tried to play too many Sammarinese players and finished 3rd after bottling the league. This season I signed more quality and walked the league, alongside winning 2 cups. Not doing the national team yet, will leave it a few more seasons.

 

[6499red]

Acheivements should be updated until this post.

Finally ready to actually start the challenge, very excited !

 

[Lefurjah]

First achievement in San Marino league down.  Preseason complete including a win in the San Marino Super Cup.

 

[Lefurjah]

@6499red I was looking at the the league and I think you need to change the milestones for those of us that will be playing in the San Marino domestic league.   As of 2020/21 (and this is what the database you posted in the first thread reflects) there are no more groups.   All 15 of the teams are in one group, playing each other twice, before advancing to a 12 team playoff.   The winner of the playoff goes to CL with the loser going to ECL.   The cup winner also goes to the ECL, and I assume if the cup winner is a finalist in the playoff that last ECL spot goes to either the highest remaining team from league play or winner of the third place game in playoff.  

[6499red]

16 minutes ago, Lefurjah said:

@6499red I was looking at the the league and I think you need to change the milestones for those of us that will be playing in the San Marino domestic league.   As of 2020/21 (and this is what the database you posted in the first thread reflects) there are no more groups.   All 15 of the teams are in one group, playing each other twice, before advancing to a 12 team playoff.   The winner of the playoff goes to CL with the loser going to ECL.   The cup winner also goes to the ECL, and I assume if the cup winner is a finalist in the playoff that last ECL spot goes to either the highest remaining team from league play or winner of the third place game in playoff.  

Thanks for the info, I'll have a look at at database this evening

[TacticalGenius]

I can’t register free agents outside of the regular transfer windows, and I have to register all players, even my own youngsters.
 

Idk if that’s just how it is over there or if it’s a database problem. 

[Lefurjah]

28 minutes ago, TacticalGenius said:

I can’t register free agents outside of the regular transfer windows, and I have to register all players, even my own youngsters.

@Tactical Genius I don't know about the youngsters, but I am doing a save in the 3rd tier of German with the standard FM database and I was not able to register free agents outside of window so that may just how the registration rules work.

[6499red]

31 minutes ago, TacticalGenius said:

I can’t register free agents outside of the regular transfer windows, and I have to register all players, even my own youngsters.
 

Idk if that’s just how it is over there or if it’s a database problem. 

I know that it is a separate setting in the Editor that has to be changed, so could be the league or a mistake, I dont know, surely it will be fine in serie C and above though.

[deadfncat]

Started off a bit wonky to the season but came home strong. 

 

 

 

 

I swear if i never see another game go to pens, ill die happy. my heart cant take it. I LOVE my keeper though, what a madlad

[deadfncat]

So I found a bug in the Serie D. I won the playoff final and didnt get promoted? not sure whats happening there

[The Regista]

Should have won the league then @deadfncat😉

On a serious note what do the rules state?

[oskumustatuli]

45 minutes ago, deadfncat said:

So I found a bug in the Serie D. I won the playoff final and didnt get promoted? not sure whats happening there

Which database are you using? I just started with claassens databases..

[LUFCspeni]

Thought I would post my proof of my 2 cup wins also, forgot the screenie last night.

 

 

A point of discussion - what is your policy for Sammarinese players? Do try to include them in the squad from the start, or try to race up the leagues with the best players possible and get those facility upgrades? I'm leaning towards the latter.

[6499red]

2 hours ago, deadfncat said:

So I found a bug in the Serie D. I won the playoff final and didnt get promoted? not sure whats happening there

Teams only get promoted from the playout if teams from serie C go bankrupt in real life - and only after coming out on top against the winners of the playoffs from the other groups - in real life. As clubs don't stop playing in FM, this would never happen in a game. Is this how it is supposed to happen @claassen?

 

@deadfncat @The Regista @oskumustatuli

 

Edit: so you'd have to win your group to get promoted.

Edited November 15, 2021 by 6499red

[6499red]

Acheivements updated.

@Lefurjah @deadfncat

What stage are you at now?

[6499red]

30 minutes ago, LUFCspeni said:

Thought I would post my proof of my 2 cup wins also, forgot the screenie last night.

 

 

A point of discussion - what is your policy for Sammarinese players? Do try to include them in the squad from the start, or try to race up the leagues with the best players possible and get those facility upgrades? I'm leaning towards the latter.

I suppose it depends on personal preference mostly, but i suppose people playing in San Marino itself may be more inclined to do it. Also, youth development is limited if it even happens at all with poor facilities (even when players are regulars) so whatever you can do to improve club facilities, I guess.

[The Regista]

Ladies and Gentlemen, our boys are in action tonight

'Mon the San Marino!!!

Nicola Nanni - time to show the world what you're made of!

[duesouth]

3 hours ago, deadfncat said:

So I found a bug in the Serie D. I won the playoff final and didnt get promoted? not sure whats happening there

Serie D playoffs are weird - you don't always go up.  Happened to me in FM19 from memory.  I believe it has something to do with the rules with Serie C relegation.  Claassen would need to confirm, but I think it's correct.  As Regista said, gotta win the league to be sure of promotion.

[Lefurjah]

57 minutes ago, 6499red said:

Acheivements updated.

@Lefurjah @deadfncat

What stage are you at now?

@6499redI am 7 games into the regular season and sitting in first.  Also, for the achievements, did you see my Super Cup win to put into the log?

[6499red]

What are people's thoughts on changing clubs? Whether it be due to sacking or choice (provided it is Victor S.M. or a local club) - I am of the opinion to allow it, given the main aim is the World Cup - how you do that should be your own choice

Also,allowing people to carry on if they get sacked by the NT (however unlikely that may seem)

 

any thoughts?

 

@duesouth any precedent in previous versions?

 

In other news - not going well for the Titani tonight, lol.

Edited November 15, 2021 by 6499red

[duesouth]

9 minutes ago, 6499red said:

What are people's thoughts on changing clubs? Whether it be due to sacking or choice (provided it is Victor S.M. or a local club) - I am of the opinion to allow it, given the main aim is the World Cup - how you do that should be your own choice

Also,allowing people to carry on if they get sacked by the NT (however unlikely that may seem)

 

any thoughts?

 

@duesouth any precedent in previous versions?

 

In other news - not going well for the Titani tonight, lol.

Some people have left the old San Marino Calcio as Serie A got pretty dull and boring - winning it every year.  The youth intakes will still continue - so if players feel it will be something to keep the save fresh, then I don't think there's a problem.  I'm personally a control freak and wouldn't leave.  Sacking is a different one - but then I don't recall anyone getting the boot in past challenges.  If it's fairly early, then I guess re-start as the AI is never getting the club to Serie A.