FM24 - PC/Laptop advice thread *** PLEASE READ OPENING POST BEFORE POSTING ***

[kevhamster]

3 hours ago, Kgwilliam said:

Hi guys, 

looking to get a desktop to play FM on would the below be capable?

 

https://www.costco.co.uk/Electronics-Security/Gaming-PCs-Consoles/Gaming-Desktops/AWD-IT-Ranger-4-AMD-Ryzen-5-16GB-RAM-480GB-SSD-AMD-Vega-10-Gaming-Desktop-PC/p/345096

 

Thanks

Karl

 

Yep - looks really good for the price in fairness.

[Dadu]

13 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

You've said your budget is £1,000, but both of these are higher.

Also, would be helpful to know if you're planning on playing other games and what else you want to do with the laptop to be able to give the most suitable recommendation.

I can work with £1000 sorry

will just be used for FM21 using 3D

thanks

[kevhamster]

43 minutes ago, Dadu said:

I can work with £1000 sorry

will just be used for FM21 using 3D

thanks

This one looks good: https://www.box.co.uk/NH.Q7PEK.002-Acer-Nitro-5-AN515-55-764B_2934864.html

[Dadu]

6 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

This one looks good: https://www.box.co.uk/NH.Q7PEK.002-Acer-Nitro-5-AN515-55-764B_2934864.html

Thanks but I can’t find it on the Currys website.I’d prefer it to be from Currys as I have a voucher.

 
Are you able to have a look please mate? 

[Chewy82*]

Hi guys, looking at this laptop https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/lenovo-ideapad-5i-14-laptop-intel-core-i5-256-gb-ssd-grey-10207993-pdt.html

is this capable of running 10-15 leagues. I run 2d so not fussed if it wont run 3d highlights effectivley.

 

Cheers

James

[Smurf]

2 hours ago, Chewy82* said:

Hi guys, looking at this laptop https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/lenovo-ideapad-5i-14-laptop-intel-core-i5-256-gb-ssd-grey-10207993-pdt.html

is this capable of running 10-15 leagues. I run 2d so not fussed if it wont run 3d highlights effectivley.

 

Cheers

James

  From the opening post

On 05/11/2020 at 12:43, kevhamster said:

We don't know:
We cannot test every computer/laptop, we only speak about the specs and if it's suitable for Football Manager and if it's within your budget. There is no way to know for certain how many Leagues/Divisions/Database size or how fast the game will progress. One user may be happy with the game progressing a week in 20 minutes, for others that may be too slow, so It's all subjective.

A quick google of your choice shows that it has 1.0ghz processor - FM requires 1.8ghz (also covered in the opening post).

This has the U processor (covered in the opening post) but this particular one breaks the rules slightly - does very well in the benchmarking threads. The post below has a link to a spreadsheet and you can see the AMD Ryzen 5 4500U does quite well.

 

Link to laptop

https://www.box.co.uk/M413IA-EB573T-ASUS-Vivobook-14-M413IA-EB573T_2955297.html

 

Edited November 20, 2020 by Smurf

[kevhamster]

6 hours ago, Dadu said:

Thanks but I can’t find it on the Currys website.I’d prefer it to be from Currys as I have a voucher.

 
Are you able to have a look please mate? 

Does your voucher mean you can afford to get the ones you linked? 

[Chewy82*]

2 hours ago, Smurf said:

  From the opening post

A quick google of your choice shows that it has 1.0ghz processor - FM requires 1.8ghz (also covered in the opening post).

This has the U processor (covered in the opening post) but this particular one breaks the rules slightly - does very well in the benchmarking threads. The post below has a link to a spreadsheet and you can see the AMD Ryzen 5 4500U does quite well.

 

Link to laptop

https://www.box.co.uk/M413IA-EB573T-ASUS-Vivobook-14-M413IA-EB573T_2955297.html

 

Much appreciated mate. Will go for that.

[Smurf]

7 hours ago, Dadu said:

Thanks but I can’t find it on the Currys website.I’d prefer it to be from Currys as I have a voucher.

 
Are you able to have a look please mate? 

NO DEDICATED GPU

Mac with the M1 chip does really well in benchmarking - it's 13 inch screen so may not be for you
https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/apple-13-3-macbook-air-with-retina-display-2020-256-gb-ssd-space-grey-10216298-pdt.html

Windows 14 inch screen - and on par with the Mac I'd say - plus has more RAM 
Also touchscreen - not sure that's important for you - 
https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/huawei-matebook-14-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-512-gb-ssd-grey-10215083-pdt.html

Windows - 14 inch - good laptop - slightly lesser than the 2 above
https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/huawei-matebook-14-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-256-gb-ssd-grey-10215081-pdt.html

DEDICATED GPU - Better if you're into other games too

Windows
Again - this is on Par with the Mac - I'd say - and if you play other games and prefer
https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/lenovo-ideapad-creator-5i-15-6-laptop-intel-core-i5-256-gb-ssd-moss-green-10208462-pdt.html

This is cheaper and a slightly weaker processor - and graphics card is slightly weaker
https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/acer-aspire-7-a715-74g-15-6-intel-core-i5-laptop-512-gb-ssd-black-10194242-pdt.html

 

Edited November 20, 2020 by Smurf

[Smurf]

4 minutes ago, Chewy82* said:

Much appreciated mate. Will go for that.

Don't forget when you get it to Benchmark in the Benchmark thread with @Brother Ben- if you can please, it would be great.

[Brother Ben]

1 hour ago, Smurf said:

Don't forget when you get it to Benchmark in the Benchmark thread with @Brother Ben- if you can please, it would be great.

Cheers for linking to the thread Smurf, hopefully we can get a really good sample size for FM21 and it'll hopefully really help with your recommendations.

I think it would be great if the two threads worked in sync  

[Smurf]

3 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

Cheers for linking to the thread Smurf, hopefully we can get a really good sample size for FM21 and it'll hopefully really help with your recommendations.

I think it would be great if the two threads worked in sync  

I was genuinely impressed with the spreadsheet data - and when comparing to https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html the processors all fell in line - mostly - with the order on there. 

So proofs in the pudding - the List of Processors as ranked on that site are a good indicator.

Top work. We need more data samples for sure. But hopefully people buying new laptops/computers will benchmark them so we can have great data going forward.

[Mattwall28]

Good Morning guys, 

Any help would be smashing. 

I've got a macbook pro old school, looking for a new one during black Friday deals. 

Literally want a laptop for FM/gaming so don't need it for any other purpose (I mean watching the odd netflix perhaps) 

Recon I could get something around £5/600? Gaming laptop would be nice. 

Cheers chaps, 

Matt

[Brother Ben]

4 minutes ago, Smurf said:

I was genuinely impressed with the spreadsheet data - and when comparing to https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html the processors all fell in line - mostly - with the order on there. 

So proofs in the pudding - the List of Processors as ranked on that site are a good indicator.

Top work. We need more data samples for sure. But hopefully people buying new laptops/computers will benchmark them so we can have great data going forward.

Yeah I noticed that too,  I've often used it to recommend laptops but I really didn't know how exactly it would relate to FM.

What we need are more laptops being benchmarked. 

Looking at the last few years of the benchmark threads it tends to be quite niche to those with home built PC's who want to test new hardware that they've built, which is great, but the broader the range hardware the better I say and the majority on this thread want laptop advice.

That was my thinking with Benchmark A, I thought it would be nice to benchmark a typical setup whereas before it had always just been an "all leagues loaded" affair.  We got 64 samples for FM20, I want to aim for 100 this time, that would be great

 

[bamb00zle]

Haven't played FM since 18 but back in the game for this one.

Wondering how many leagues/divisions and database size my new laptop could run:

Asus Vivobook, 14 inch screen.

AMD Ryzen 5 3500

8GB Ram

256GB SSD

Vega 5 integrated graphics

2.1 ghz

Got this for around £500 from Box a couple months ago.

Also interested in graphics feedback from anyone who has similar. Could I run the 3D matches on lower settings?

Edited November 20, 2020 by bamb00zle

[seanyblive]

Hey guys. Recently Inherited an almost brand new laptop. Haven't played fm for a while and have a very limited knowledge of computer spec ect. It has a ryzen 5 4500u cpu, 8gb ram, 256gb ssd. Any idea on how well this would run fm21 would be much appreciated 👍

[kevhamster]

18 minutes ago, seanyblive said:

Hey guys. Recently Inherited an almost brand new laptop. Haven't played fm for a while and have a very limited knowledge of computer spec ect. It has a ryzen 5 4500u cpu, 8gb ram, 256gb ssd. Any idea on how well this would run fm21 would be much appreciated 👍

It'll be fine.  That's a good spec.

[kevhamster]

56 minutes ago, Mattwall28 said:

Good Morning guys, 

Any help would be smashing. 

I've got a macbook pro old school, looking for a new one during black Friday deals. 

Literally want a laptop for FM/gaming so don't need it for any other purpose (I mean watching the odd netflix perhaps) 

Recon I could get something around £5/600? Gaming laptop would be nice. 

Cheers chaps, 

Matt

https://www.box.co.uk/1E6Z9EAABU-HP-14s-fq0000na_2956544.html

Not a full on gaming laptop, but it'll run the game nicely and the integrated graphics will manage medium settings on the 3D at least.

 

[kevhamster]

37 minutes ago, bamb00zle said:

Haven't played FM since 18 but back in the game for this one.

Wondering how many leagues/divisions and database size my new laptop could run:

Asus Vivobook, 14 inch screen.

AMD Ryzen 5 3500

8GB Ram

256GB SSD

Vega 5 integrated graphics

2.1 ghz

Got this for around £500 from Box a couple months ago.

Also interested in graphics feedback from anyone who has similar. Could I run the 3D matches on lower settings?

We can't comment on how many leagues it'll run to your satisfaction, as that's subjective.  But in terms of the 3D graphics, it should run FM at medium settings.

[Brother Ben]

@Smurf @kevhamster

Forgot to mention I'm going to add what graphics level someone uses to the Benchmarking thread for FM21 as I notice it's a big part of what people ask for here

[MC_______7]

13 hours ago, kevhamster said:

My honest thoughts are it's not worth spending an extra £1,000+ on that HP.

Ok, it has a 4K panel, which is unusual on a laptop currently.  And it does have a dedicated graphics card - I kept that out of the configuration I selected because you said you play mostly in 2D and only have 3D on for goal highlights - the integrated graphics in the Ryzen will be fine for the highlights - they won't be at highest settings most likely, but you'll get medium at least, possibly high.

And, the CPU is a little better in that HP, but not enough to spend an extra grand on.

If you'd like that CPU, this configuration  has it for £966.00: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/cosmosIX-15/pFAFqyQGzv/

It does have a graphics card (Geforce GTX 1650Ti), as there's no option to configure without.  You could spend a little less and go for the standard GTX 1650 graphics card, but I went for this option purely because the standard 1650 is apparently not in stock for another couple of weeks.

You get the standard 1080p panel, rather than 4K, but you've already said you're not bothered about 4K.  And it's still over £800 less than the HP.

Went for the £966 option and just added a antivirus package

thanks for the help!

Now I wait..

[kevhamster]

2 minutes ago, MC_______7 said:

Went for the £966 option and just added a antivirus package

thanks for the help!

Now I wait..

Enjoy

[davecoops]

Hi,

 

Just seen this offer and wondering what your thoughts are?

 

https://www.theedustore.co.uk/mac/macbook-air/13-inch-macbook-air-apple-m1-chip-with-8-core-cpu-and-7-core-gpu-256gb-gold-4-year-warranty

 

Will it be capable playing fm with a few leagues loaded up with max graphics and is it worth the price or is there something more powewrfull for the equivalent price?

[Mattwall28]

1 minute ago, davecoops said:

Hi,

 

Just seen this offer and wondering what your thoughts are?

 

https://www.theedustore.co.uk/mac/macbook-air/13-inch-macbook-air-apple-m1-chip-with-8-core-cpu-and-7-core-gpu-256gb-gold-4-year-warranty

 

Will it be capable playing fm with a few leagues loaded up with max graphics and is it worth the price or is there something more powewrfull for the equivalent price?

I'm no expert but I've got a macbook pro and it's not great at all for gaming/FM. Not new of course but it can't handle 3D matches without taking off and I play touch version! 

[davecoops]

2 minutes ago, Mattwall28 said:

I'm no expert but I've got a macbook pro and it's not great at all for gaming/FM. Not new of course but it can't handle 3D matches without taking off and I play touch version! 

I have an Imac and can vouch for that also. Im hearing this new m1 chip is a game changer... I like the fact that I know how apple works and how they hold on to their value, but if it's not very good for fm it's pointless as that will be its main purpose for me.

[Mattwall28]

1 hour ago, kevhamster said:

https://www.box.co.uk/1E6Z9EAABU-HP-14s-fq0000na_2956544.html

Not a full on gaming laptop, but it'll run the game nicely and the integrated graphics will manage medium settings on the 3D at least.

 

Many thanks. If I pushed my budget what do you recon on this?? 

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/gaming/pc-gaming/gaming-laptops/acer-nitro-5-15-6-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-gtx-1650-256-gb-ssd-10205931-pdt.html

Cheapest one on the market, could potentially reduce next week. 

Cheers 

 

[Mattwall28]

1 minute ago, davecoops said:

I have an Imac and can vouch for that also. Im hearing this new m1 chip is a game changer... I like the fact that I know how apple works and how they hold on to their value, but if it's not very good for fm it's pointless as that will be its main purpose for me.

Same here, my main purpose hence why I'm thinking just go for a gaming laptop which they are designed for and can run all leagues if you wanted!! 

[kevhamster]

21 minutes ago, Mattwall28 said:

Many thanks. If I pushed my budget what do you recon on this?? 

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/gaming/pc-gaming/gaming-laptops/acer-nitro-5-15-6-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-gtx-1650-256-gb-ssd-10205931-pdt.html

Cheapest one on the market, could potentially reduce next week. 

Cheers 

 

I'd recommend this one instead.  The CPU is better, which is the main thing for FM.  The graphics card isn't quite as strong, but will be ample for FM's max settings:

https://www.box.co.uk/81LK0039UK-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Gaming-L340-15_2934443.html

Edited November 20, 2020 by kevhamster
Typo

[kevhamster]

28 minutes ago, Mattwall28 said:

I'm no expert but I've got a macbook pro and it's not great at all for gaming/FM. Not new of course but it can't handle 3D matches without taking off and I play touch version! 

The new Macs with the M1 chip, based on the benchmarks we've seen so far, have actually shown to be hugely more capable and actually a viable option for playing FM.  The integrated graphics are apparently excellent, and the speed of processing seems to be up there with some of the best as well.

So, if you're going to go for a Mac, the ones with these new M1 chips are the ones to go for.

[kevhamster]

34 minutes ago, davecoops said:

Hi,

 

Just seen this offer and wondering what your thoughts are?

 

https://www.theedustore.co.uk/mac/macbook-air/13-inch-macbook-air-apple-m1-chip-with-8-core-cpu-and-7-core-gpu-256gb-gold-4-year-warranty

 

Will it be capable playing fm with a few leagues loaded up with max graphics and is it worth the price or is there something more powewrfull for the equivalent price?

Not sure how the chip in it compares to the Macbook pro - but the M1 in the Pro has proven to be very good so far.

If someone can let us know how the chip in the Macbook Air performs, that'd be really useful.

[Damse1994]

Genuinely surprised that the M1 Macs actually are close to being recommended taking their reputation in consideration. 
 

Personally I think I’m going for the pro but with 16gb ram, but there’s a couple of weeks delivery in Denmark at present. 

[Smurf]

38 minutes ago, Damse1994 said:

Genuinely surprised that the M1 Macs actually are close to being recommended taking their reputation in consideration. 
 

Personally I think I’m going for the pro but with 16gb ram, but there’s a couple of weeks delivery in Denmark at present. 

Most Macs are pretty good and able for FM. It's always been the price that shocked me, and when building a custom laptop you can get better specs for a lot cheaper.

However, the M1 chip in the 13 inch mac book turned in impressive results, as such, for ultra portable, it's amazing, and it's only £1000 I think, I don't see anything near it on the markets for that size screen at the moment at that price point. 

In terms of the 16 inch etc. you can do better price-wise - in terms of a laptop you'll be looking at the 10750h or the 10850h from intel or the 4700 or 4800h and up for the amd range. 

Macs are expensive, damn expensive - and money is hard to earn, if you're only playing FM and don't really need a Mac a top end laptop is better value.

But if you want to buy a Mac, go for it. 

[joshuaryan]

Hey there,

 

Long time, first time, etc. 

 

Firstly - thank you for the insane amount of hard work and dedication you've put into this thread. It's genuinely laudable.

 

I've binged and searched the whole thread, but haven't really seen anything that is comparable with the laptop I'm currently considering melting my credit card over:

 

https://www.box.co.uk/UX434FLC-A6524T-ASUS-ZenBook-14-UX434FLC-A6524T_2940907.html

 

I'm currently running an old i7-3540M weighty beast of a machine that overheats and turns itself off every time I try watch the 3D highlights on anything but Very Low, or have the audacity to want to turn the crowd on. Actually kind of useful if I'm 3 - 0 down after 20 minutes. Anyway, apparently the graphics card is an AMD Radeon 7570M. I assume that's not very good.

 

I'm assuming the i5-10I20U will offer comparable - if not significantly better performance due to its age - but will the MX250 2GB graphics card in this potential new one allow me to really let my hair down and watch highlights at the highest resolution, or will it explode?

 

Full disclosure: I'm both old and almost entirely computer illiterate.

 

Cheers!

[bamb00zle]

3 hours ago, kevhamster said:

We can't comment on how many leagues it'll run to your satisfaction, as that's subjective.  But in terms of the 3D graphics, it should run FM at medium settings.

Thanks for the reply.

I'm thinking about running all the English leagues playable, Serie A and La Liga in the background and both playable Ukrainian leagues so about 10 leagues.

Could mine handle that swiftly or would it be too demanding? Doesn't need to be super fast but don't want loads of slow down either.

[Sparky_07]

Hi Guys looking for a decent gaming laptop. Found this...

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/gaming/pc-gaming/gaming-laptops/msi-bravo-15-15-6-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-rx-5500m-256-gb-ssd-10206090-pdt.html

Would it be any good or can anyone recommend one in the same kind of price range?

Many Thanks

[kevhamster]

11 minutes ago, bamb00zle said:

Thanks for the reply.

I'm thinking about running all the English leagues playable, Serie A and La Liga in the background and both playable Ukrainian leagues so about 10 leagues.

Could mine handle that swiftly or would it be too demanding? Doesn't need to be super fast but don't want loads of slow down either.

Based on how my Ryzen 5 2500U handled a setup like this, I think it'd be fine for a speed I'd be happy with..... that said, I still can't confirm it'd be fine for you.

My suggestion would be, especially as you already have the computer, download the demo when it's out (which in theory should be this coming week at some point) and see how it runs.  If you like what you see, buy the game then.

[kevhamster]

15 minutes ago, joshuaryan said:

Hey there,

 

Long time, first time, etc. 

 

Firstly - thank you for the insane amount of hard work and dedication you've put into this thread. It's genuinely laudable.

 

I've binged and searched the whole thread, but haven't really seen anything that is comparable with the laptop I'm currently considering melting my credit card over:

 

https://www.box.co.uk/UX434FLC-A6524T-ASUS-ZenBook-14-UX434FLC-A6524T_2940907.html

 

I'm currently running an old i7-3540M weighty beast of a machine that overheats and turns itself off every time I try watch the 3D highlights on anything but Very Low, or have the audacity to want to turn the crowd on. Actually kind of useful if I'm 3 - 0 down after 20 minutes. Anyway, apparently the graphics card is an AMD Radeon 7570M. I assume that's not very good.

 

I'm assuming the i5-10I20U will offer comparable - if not significantly better performance due to its age - but will the MX250 2GB graphics card in this potential new one allow me to really let my hair down and watch highlights at the highest resolution, or will it explode?

 

Full disclosure: I'm both old and almost entirely computer illiterate.

 

Cheers!

For that price, I'd go for this instead:

https://www.box.co.uk/82B50042UK-Lenovo-Legion-5-15_2938438.html

You get a better processor (you generally want to avoid processors with a U suffix, with some exceptions, as this means ultra low power, so liable for throttling), and a better graphics card.

However, if the 256GB storage is too stingy, then this one with 512GB would be my next suggestion: https://www.box.co.uk/1L6E9EAABU-HP-Pavilion-Gaming-15-dk1005na_2958256.html.   Again, better CPU than the one you linked - not quite as strong as the one above, but still an excellent choice.

[Claret]

 

@ Kevhamster & Smurf – big thanks on this thread guidance…. been lurking and reading. Based in Norway I can’t buy the suggested links so used the benchmarking url and managed to work out what I needed. Just booted up a new Ryzen 5 4600H machine – pace to burn!

 

My first post here in around a decade

[kevhamster]

17 minutes ago, Sparky_07 said:

Hi Guys looking for a decent gaming laptop. Found this...

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/gaming/pc-gaming/gaming-laptops/msi-bravo-15-15-6-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-rx-5500m-256-gb-ssd-10206090-pdt.html

Would it be any good or can anyone recommend one in the same kind of price range?

Many Thanks

What other games are you thinking of playing, if any?

The graphics card in that is roughly in line with a Geforce 1650 Super, which is ample for FM but you may have to turn some settings down on AAA games if you're thinking of those too.

[Sanel]

On 18/11/2020 at 15:51, craiigman said:

Apple MacBook Pro 2020 M1 - 8GB ram base model initial benchmarks/reactions

***Disclaimer***

Neither Steam nor FM21 is optimised for the M1 chip yet. I do not believe that FM21 will have any extra optimisation for the M1 chip upon release, maybe for the March patch, but very unlikely will be native M1 support. Remember the game is still also in beta so star ratings may not be accurate (have a great example of this included).

My only comparison is my current machine which is a 2016 MacBook 12" with the M7 processor. I am at the moment just loading my save I started on this machine, which is as follows:

As mentioned about star ratings, I am getting 1 star when I first check this screen, but it changes to 2 star after a couple of seconds:

My current machine is rated at 1 star for 3D graphics:

My general performance on this machine on low 1440x900:

2D ~30FPS

3D ~20-30FPS

Processing/Between highlights ~30-40FPS

Now for the new machine:

I have set MacBook resolution to scaled 1680x1050

Rating at 5 star and auto set to high.

When I first open the add/remove league screen it says 2 stars, but jumps to 2 1/2 stars. Will be honest even on my 12" I had very fast processing under these setup. So would take these stars with a pinch of salt. FM21 is very very quick, but will see how it goes. General processing/clicking next feels very snappy and quick. International (which I am on) periods still take a little while.

In game on high:

2D - Solid 60 FPS

3D - Solid 60 FPS with a couple of drops but only a couple of frames.

Processing/Between highlights - 60FPS. In menus out of game it's 30-60 but makes no difference honestly, it's just menus and doesn't look like it's lagging or anything.

I am very impressed with these early results.

Some other questions been asked before:

Heat/Fans: Fans have no kicked in at any stage as of yet, even in 3D. MacBook is warm to touch, but not hot. In comparison my 12" is scolding when playing FM.

Very high setting: Fans not turned on, warmed up a little but again still not hot. FPS 40-60 FPS, sitting around 45 FPS most of the time.

If you have any more questions I have no answered here, feel free to ask and I will try to answer. I will run the FM20 benchmarks a bit later when I have some more time.

TL;DR - FM works and it works really well on the M1 chip. High settings on 1680x1050 is solid 60FPS with no fans or heat issues.

Based by this review and others... I've bought it as well. Just seeing al those Windows laptops with a crap build quality makes me sad. 13" inch makes me a bit worried though, as I've always used 15,6" inch laptops, might get used to it. Hopefully we'll be able to buy the 15/16 inch next year, if life/finances go alright.

[kevhamster]

1 minute ago, Claret said:

 

 

@ Kevhamster & Smurf – big thanks on this thread guidance…. been lurking and reading. Based in Norway I can’t buy the suggested links so used the benchmarking url and managed to work out what I needed. Just booted up a new Ryzen 5 4600H machine – pace to burn!

 

 

My first post here in around a decade

 

Glad the guidance was of help to you.  Enjoy

[S2008]

Hello, 

I'm looking at upgrading my current Desktop from the following 

Intel Core i5 4670K 4-Core Haswell CPU @ 4.4GHz

Nvidia GeForce GTX 770 2GB Graphics Card

8GB Corsair Vengeance 2133MHz Gaming RAM

To become the following 

Intel i7-10700F Comet Lake 8-Core 2.9GHz (4.8GHz Turbo)

RTX 2060 MINI ITX OC 6GB GDDR6

2 x 8GB Team Elite 3200MHz Gaming RAM (may need to be clocked at 2933Mhz)

 

Ideally what I'm looking for in terms of FM is the ability to go deep into long term saves (potentially 30/40/50 yrs) without a major bottleneck in speed. My main concern is around the processor and the FM processing. The clock speed appears to be only marginally higher but the i7 has more "cores". Does FM make use of more than one core or will I see similar levels of performance. Graphics card I realise will be enough but I am also doubling my RAM.

I realise that its difficult to say exactly in terms of processing power what I can do but I would like to know if I can go quicker for longer on the 2nd build. 

Thanks in advance for any help/advice.

[Gallows7]

Afternoon all!

I've been lurking in the shadows for a while but finally decided to create an account and ask a few questions, thanks in advance!

With all the "this seems ok" or "I've read this one will do for now". Can anybody personally recommend a laptop which they've actually owned/used for FM with high 3D settings? My old work laptop is barely operating FM21 Beta on the lowest of low settings so it's time to plunge into a new one, what with Black Friday upon us and such.

Could anybody recommend an all-rounder laptop which is good for films, work, smooth FM21 at high settings etc etc.

Don't worry about it's GTA5 Ultra/Crysis settings and what not as I've got an Xbox Series X on order which is what it's designed for!

Cheers!

[kevhamster]

14 minutes ago, S2008 said:

Hello, 

I'm looking at upgrading my current Desktop from the following 

Intel Core i5 4670K 4-Core Haswell CPU @ 4.4GHz

Nvidia GeForce GTX 770 2GB Graphics Card

8GB Corsair Vengeance 2133MHz Gaming RAM

To become the following 

Intel i7-10700F Comet Lake 8-Core 2.9GHz (4.8GHz Turbo)

RTX 2060 MINI ITX OC 6GB GDDR6

2 x 8GB Team Elite 3200MHz Gaming RAM (may need to be clocked at 2933Mhz)

 

Ideally what I'm looking for in terms of FM is the ability to go deep into long term saves (potentially 30/40/50 yrs) without a major bottleneck in speed. My main concern is around the processor and the FM processing. The clock speed appears to be only marginally higher but the i7 has more "cores". Does FM make use of more than one core or will I see similar levels of performance. Graphics card I realise will be enough but I am also doubling my RAM.

I realise that its difficult to say exactly in terms of processing power what I can do but I would like to know if I can go quicker for longer on the 2nd build. 

Thanks in advance for any help/advice.

That CPU is at the higher end.  Very hard to say what will happen with a massively long term save like that, as personally my longest save ever has been something like 12 years.  But, it's going to handle the game as well as pretty much anything currently, unless you get into the silly money category.

To add, the clock speed is not necessarily an indicator of performance as such.  You're comparing a 10th gen i7 with a 4th gen i5, and CPU's have come a long way since then.

This gives an idea of the difference in performance: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-10700F-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4670K/m1183814vs1538

Edited November 20, 2020 by kevhamster

[Damse1994]

46 minutes ago, Smurf said:

Most Macs are pretty good and able for FM. It's always been the price that shocked me, and when building a custom laptop you can get better specs for a lot cheaper.

However, the M1 chip in the 13 inch mac book turned in impressive results, as such, for ultra portable, it's amazing, and it's only £1000 I think, I don't see anything near it on the markets for that size screen at the moment at that price point. 

In terms of the 16 inch etc. you can do better price-wise - in terms of a laptop you'll be looking at the 10750h or the 10850h from intel or the 4700 or 4800h and up for the amd range. 

Macs are expensive, damn expensive - and money is hard to earn, if you're only playing FM and don't really need a Mac a top end laptop is better value.

But if you want to buy a Mac, go for it. 

I don’t really like 16 inch screens and I get the point that it is possible to get significantly better specs for a fraction of the price. 
 

I am very surprised that the M1 macs are significantly cheaper than the Intel ones. They save me the equivalent of £400 on the pro. And as you say, it hurts to spend £1.500 on a laptop just for FM and simple internet browsing. 

[S2008]

2 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

That CPU is at the higher end.  Very hard to say what will happen with a massively long term save like that, as personally my longest save ever has been something like 12 years.  But, it's going to handle the game as well as pretty much anything currently, unless you get into the silly money category.

Thanks for that- I guess I was just concerned that the boosted clock speed was the only thing that would determine how the game would process. Do you know if FM makes use of more than once core or hyperthreading? I might be wrong but I seem to recall a couple of years back when I was first looking to upgrade clock speed seemed to be the determining factor?

[kevhamster]

3 minutes ago, S2008 said:

Thanks for that- I guess I was just concerned that the boosted clock speed was the only thing that would determine how the game would process. Do you know if FM makes use of more than once core or hyperthreading? I might be wrong but I seem to recall a couple of years back when I was first looking to upgrade clock speed seemed to be the determining factor?

You want to be avoiding anything below the base clock speed to be on the safe side.

I don't entirely know the inner workings of how FM processes, but the single biggest factor as I understand it is single core performance - but, FM will make use of multiple cores, as I have seen myself when running the benchmarking tests over the last couple of days.

[Smurf]

6 minutes ago, Damse1994 said:

I don’t really like 16 inch screens and I get the point that it is possible to get significantly better specs for a fraction of the price. 
 

I am very surprised that the M1 macs are significantly cheaper than the Intel ones. They save me the equivalent of £400 on the pro. And as you say, it hurts to spend £1.500 on a laptop just for FM and simple internet browsing. 

At the moment I can't see a 13/14 inch screen laptop that would beat the Mac with the M1 processor.

I can't even come close to getting a processor as good as the M1 performed in the benchmark thread. for a 13 inch laptop.

My opinion would differ now if looking at 15/16/17 inch laptops. As you can get better for under the  price of the Mac.

I suppose Apple are the only makers of their products. 

Whereas, HP, Dell, Asus, Lenovo etc. are all independent and purcahse the same parts from Intel/Amd, Crucial/Kingston, etc. 

So Apply have even better control over their product now not relying on buying AMD/Intel chips - which probably allows them to make the chip a lot cheaper than they used to buy it for. 

 

 

[Smurf]

5 minutes ago, S2008 said:

Thanks for that- I guess I was just concerned that the boosted clock speed was the only thing that would determine how the game would process. Do you know if FM makes use of more than once core or hyperthreading? I might be wrong but I seem to recall a couple of years back when I was first looking to upgrade clock speed seemed to be the determining factor?

 

1 minute ago, kevhamster said:

You want to be avoiding anything below the base clock speed to be on the safe side.

I don't entirely know the inner workings of how FM processes, but the single biggest factor as I understand it is single core performance - but, FM will make use of multiple cores, as I have seen myself when running the benchmarking tests over the last couple of days.

Got an answer on this from Neil Brock some time ago

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I spoke to someone and this is the jist of what he and I came to:

For how the game uses threads - it will create as many threads for playing matches and shortlisting as you have cores (including hyperthreads).

But the performance you see varies on the setup for example with matches - Quick Matches for instance (so for loaded but non-managed in leagues) it's are so fast anyway it gets to the point where it doesn't make that much more difference having more cores.

If you use detail level to set more stuff to full match you'll start seeing betters gains for more cores, but of course will still be slower than by just not having the league loaded, or having it at a low detail level.

Similar sort of thing with shortlisting the more / leagues players you have loaded the more benefits you can potentially see with more cores, however this is probably more than offset by the general slowdown from having more stuff loading as there's still a large portion of the game which is single threaded. 

In regards to best processors, as a general guide we tend to suggest using the following comparison site as a good gauge of the performance capabilities - https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html

Basic rule of thumb is the higher it is on the list, the better it is. You can edit it to show processors for desktops and also those that are considered 'archived' via the restriction options. 

Hope some of this is of use. 

 

[Damse1994]

9 minutes ago, Smurf said:

At the moment I can't see a 13/14 inch screen laptop that would beat the Mac with the M1 processor.

I can't even come close to getting a processor as good as the M1 performed in the benchmark thread. for a 13 inch laptop.

My opinion would differ now if looking at 15/16/17 inch laptops. As you can get better for under the  price of the Mac.

I suppose Apple are the only makers of their products. 

Whereas, HP, Dell, Asus, Lenovo etc. are all independent and purcahse the same parts from Intel/Amd, Crucial/Kingston, etc. 

So Apply have even better control over their product now not relying on buying AMD/Intel chips - which probably allows them to make the chip a lot cheaper than they used to buy it for. 

 

 

That actually makes perfect sense. I was wondering why the laptop with their own chip was that much cheaper, but you have a point. 

Still need more evidence of its performance and graphics. And it would be interesting to see how it could perform without running through emulation.