DJ Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Fuuuuuuuuuuu Mathijsen will not play in the first two matches. Bert is even considering calling up a stand in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Snellink Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Bollocks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Bouma at CB then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Vlaar, most likely. Meh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Hope you found something... my wife had the same 1,5 year ago..... Nah, not yet... Which is crap, but what can you do... Vlaar, most likely. Meh. As a starter? Please, no. I'd have much more faith in Bouma, even though he's not had the best of seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 6, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 6, 2012 Beat Denmark. Get raped by the Germans. Draw or beat Portugal. Easy. No Mathijsen sucks though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 You can't beat Portugal without a left defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 6, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 6, 2012 You can't beat Portugal without a left defender. Schaars knows all the players. And we have Boulahrouz to annihilate Cristiano Ronaldo again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibra8 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Schaars is your left back? I'd be carefull with the tackling. Pepe and Bruno Alves are always eager to show their... affection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 6, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 6, 2012 Schaars is your left back? I'd be carefull with the tackling. Pepe and Bruno Alves are always eager to show their... affection. Probably Willems, but Schaars is being considered as DL... which is interesting as he hasn't played there since he was like 11 or 12. Bouma is another alternative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibra8 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I see. I've watched Schaars play lb a couple of times for Sporting and it's clear he doesn't feel comfortable there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I wish we would just grow some proper left backs instead of insisting on playing midfielders out of position. It was a fun experiment for 15 years, and Gio was actually pretty bloody good, but enough is enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Snellink Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Zenden was good at left back as well, imo. As for Pepe: :mad: :mad: Can't stand him. I foresee another "battle of nurnberg" . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdyTaylor Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I thought Willems was nailed on for LB?? This changes everything......in a fantasy football sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Willems will keep Ronaldo in his pocket Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Wouldnt really pick a dutch defender for fantasy teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdyTaylor Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Was going to have him in for the first game against Denmark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrik Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I just somehow don't got a positive feeling about the match against Denmark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrik Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Lol. I now read our dark(er) skinned players were harassed yesterday on the training by some neat mannered Polish supporters who where making jungle sounds. You gotta give credit to the FIFA for picking two such progressive, open-minded countries for hosting the EC's this year . I have Eastern European roots myself, and although thats not really near Ukraine or Poland, I would bet money on more of these occurrences this tournament. Booing people for the skin colour, how low can you go. Seen acceptance of minorities and general equality some European countries are so far behind. Usually in countries with strong nationalism and where religion is also still a high priority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendsill Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I just somehow don't got a positive feeling about the match against Denmark. At least your feelings are limited to just one match Who ever gets put at the LB position shouldn't be happy though, as all opponents know that we're seriously lacking there and they will use that to their advantage...I'm thinking Schaars sent off with his second yellow in the first and third match for showing too much love... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 It was only 25 years ago Stanley Menzo had bananas hurled at him in our very own stadiums, so we know exactly how far behind they are. It's not as if we had particularly strong nationalism and/or a strong influence of religion at that time, either. Rather, economic uncertainty plus still getting used to this whole Western capitalism thingy makes scapegoating attractive. Give it time, and these things will eventually evaporate. Plus, don't forget that there's still plenty of racism going around in the Netherlands too, people have just learned how to hide it better. Seriously, the next person who says to me "I'm not a racist but..." before going on a massively racist rant is in for a good bollocking. Zenden was good at left back as well, imo. I dunno... he was fine against weaker opposition (i.e. when he didn't actually have to defend) but I was never all that comfortable with him in that postition against stronger teams. But admittedly that's in part a matter of preference; I like tenacious mofo's like Bogarde and Boulahrouz even if they're not as technically adept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 7, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 7, 2012 Lol. I now read our dark(er) skinned players were harassed yesterday on the training by some neat mannered Polish supporters who where making jungle sounds.You gotta give credit to the FIFA for picking two such progressive, open-minded countries for hosting the EC's this year . I have Eastern European roots myself, and although thats not really near Ukraine or Poland, I would bet money on more of these occurrences this tournament. Booing people for the skin colour, how low can you go. Seen acceptance of minorities and general equality some European countries are so far behind. Usually in countries with strong nationalism and where religion is also still a high priority. Those are just the ignorant few. I hate it when people find that a reason to not give a country something. It's the same thing as deciding not to let any away-supporters go to a game just because 10 idiots screwed up. It's the same thing as the entire class having detention just because 1 or 2 kids were out of line and the teacher was too stupid to figure out who. Why let one bad apple spoil the whole damn bunch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrik Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I think it is quite more then just one or two bad apples. In many Eastern European countries racism is still a big issue. Unfortunately most political leaders deny (of course) every possible existence of this and so there will not done anything about it. I find racism (discrimination in general) still a big reason to not hold a tournament in such countries. Organizing a EC or a WC (or any major sporting event) is a big responsibility and the country(ies) that host such an event should have a hospitable, open-minded and respectful attitude towards any conceivable player or supporter whatsoever. There will be dark players, white players, there will be fans from all over the world which may vary in many ways. If countries can't cope with minorities there should not be held any major sporting event because the respect and the value of the supporters and fans can not be guaranteed. A few weeks ago I saw this documentary called 'BBC Panorama – Euro 2012 – Stadiums Of Hate' which clearly confirms many of my views on this matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Panorama could make the world's most peaceful country look like a hotspot for violence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 7, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 7, 2012 I think it is quite more then just one or two bad apples. In many Eastern European countries racism is still a big issue. Unfortunately most political leaders deny (of course) every possible existence of this and so there will not done anything about it. I find racism (discrimination in general) still a big reason to not hold a tournament in such countries. Organizing a EC or a WC (or any major sporting event) is a big responsibility and the country(ies) that host such an event should have a hospitable, open-minded and respectful attitude towards any conceivable player or supporter whatsoever. There will be dark players, white players, there will be fans from all over the world which may vary in many ways. If countries can't cope with minorities there should not be held any major sporting event because the respect and the value of the supporters and fans can not be guaranteed.A few weeks ago I saw this documentary called 'BBC Panorama – Euro 2012 – Stadiums Of Hate' which clearly confirms many of my views on this matter. There's a massive debate on this forum about this. I find your belief of that documentary quite offensive - no offense intended. I can make a documentary: - Pedopartij - Neo Nazi's - Voedselbanken - Coke addicts - Prostitution - 'man' handling of prostitutes - Football rivalries including - Bommen op Rotterdam, Hamas, Hamas - Joden aan het gas and that proves every single person in Holland is one absolute incredible cess pool of pure evil (Or at least Fox News will love it) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Exactly, that documentary does little but trumping up a bunch of lazy stereotypes. An opportunity for us Western Europeans to feign outrage and feel superior. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendsill Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Isn´t the Uefa really into "respect" and stuff? At least I remember seeing a few of those adds during the last CL-season, then maybe those people will learn something from the message the Uefa sends, if not it's their loss.. And yes, idiots like that we have in every country, our own included and sometimes it can be really close to home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrik Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 There's a massive debate on this forum about this. I find your belief of that documentary quite offensive - no offense intended.I can make a documentary: - Pedopartij - Neo Nazi's - Voedselbanken - Coke addicts - Prostitution - 'man' handling of prostitutes - Football rivalries including - Bommen op Rotterdam, Hamas, Hamas - Joden aan het gas and that proves every single person in Holland is one absolute incredible cess pool of pure evil (Or at least Fox News will love it) Let me put it this way. Such degree of racism (against any minority) that prevails there would in Holland never, never be tolerated. I've been in such East European countries, I've seen it myself, my roots are there. I think I know what I am talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 7, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 7, 2012 Let me put it this way. Such degree of racism (against any minority) that prevails there would in Holland never, never be tolerated. I've been in such East European countries, I've seen it myself, my roots are there. I think I know what I am talking about. I've lived and worked in Russia for 6 months. I also know that a lot of **** happens in Holland, but we tend to turn a blind eye. But let's not tarnish this thread any further http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/307622-Panorama-Euro-2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 Bouma at CB then? Vlaar as mentioned, which has concequences fow Willems Probably Willems, but Schaars is being considered as DL... which is interesting as he hasn't played there since he was like 11 or 12.Bouma is another alternative. Bert told that if he plays with Vlaar he will not start Willems as he don't want two inexperienced defenders so Bouma but most likely Schaars (which is strange, yes he has experience, but not at LB)Question, how should Bert call up? Anita,Urby ??? Or a Central defender Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhammad Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Just ordered the away shirt with Huntelaar on the back, 'mon the Oranje! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Bert told that if he plays with Vlaar he will not start Willems as he don't want two inexperienced defenders so Bouma but most likely Schaars (which is strange, yes he has experience, but not at LB) I absolutely HATE that argument, I hear it so often the last couple of days and it's such rubbish. How does experience count for anything if you're gonna play him out of position? Sander Boschker has tons of experience, are we gonna use him as a striker if van Persie gets injured? Question, how should Bert call up? Anita,Urby ??? Or a Central defender I like Anita, but I'm still not convinced he's really of national team standard, imo he falls just short of that. But we could use his versatility at this point. Just ordered the away shirt with Huntelaar on the back, 'mon the Oranje! You might be wearing it more often than he will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 8, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 8, 2012 is it likely that he will call up someone to replace Mathijsen? I know he has until 6pm today - but what does the news look like in Holland? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 is it likely that he will call up someone to replace Mathijsen? I know he has until 6pm today - but what does the news look like in Holland? Doesn't look like it. Teletekst says: "Mathijsen will travel to Charkov with the squad. It is certain he won't play against Denmark; whether or not he'll make the matach against Germany is still unclear." No talks of a replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 No replacement has been called up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 Joris expected to play against the Germs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 phew! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerokus Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 You guys played Braafheid in the world cup final. Literally playing with no left back would be an improvement on that awful player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 9, 2012 Author Share Posted June 9, 2012 You guys played Braafheid in the world cup final. Literally playing with no left back would be an improvement on that awful player.ha ha, correct he came on for Van Bronckhorst who was injured in the 105' minute. It were his only minutes of the tournament.It seems that the 8 players of the worldcup final will stat again today against Denmark: only Kuyt (Afellay in his place), Mathijsen (Vlaar) and Van Bronkchorst (Willems probably) aren't in the first XI, with Gio having retired, Mathijsen injured and Kuyt not good enough for a starting spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Easiest game of the group iirc Bit unlucky with the penalty shouts, but overall shambles at the back and up front Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Last 20 minutes both teams played as if they were under the impression the Netherlands were 1-0 up rather than Denmark. I'm miffed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrik Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 This kind of behaviour really pisses me off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I don't understand German. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 This kind of behaviour really pisses me off. Yeah, because wiping your bum with your opponent's shirt is so much more dignified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrik Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 What do you mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I mean that if anything we tend to be less gracious in victory viz-a-viz the Germans than they are. Of which the Koeman 'incident' is but one example. That picture, it's just a gag. Not a particularly funny one, granted, but it's hardly nefarious so it doesn't really warrant being pissed off over imo. And you have to hand it to them, they did manage to find the worst Robben photograph possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrik Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Ohh, Koeman. Thats like how many years ago? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 That's like relevant to my point how? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 That's what happens when you don't start Rafael Van der Vaart! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakennusmestari Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Wow the finishing was bad. What's the reason for not starting Huntelaar Van Persie - Sneijder - Robben? Van Marwijk really likes Afellay? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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