StoneColdA Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 playing against 3 strikers is always gonna be hard no matter what - Simply because of there interplay with each other, What you could do is move a Cm to the DM position - Set his marking to specificly mark there middle striker, This will mark him out of the game and then the opposition will only rely on the other 2 strikers.Another is that you could move a striker to the DM position - Set all his stats to be the same as the CM's but set his marking to specificly mark the middle striker, This will give you even more cover as you will still have the protection of the CM's. Doing this you might lose some attacking play but it'll be worth it to shore up the defence Also try changing the Fullbacks to Zonal marking and also moving the D-Line up just 2 notches. Let me know how you get on these tips mate. I already did the marking and d-line.. I will try with the man marking of the FCC :-) Thanks.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest166 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 49 games played - 187 goals scored - 3.8 per game. unbelievble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 49 games played - 187 goals scored - 3.8 per game. unbelievble. OMG - What the hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wijnand fens Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 49 games played - 187 goals scored - 3.8 per game. unbelievble. Team? screenshots? with the defence tweak? how many conceded? AMAZING!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulic5647 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 DAVE, after speakin gto you at length on facebook the other night, my man u team continue to impress. 10.0 vs shaktar, 5.0 vs stoke, 8.1 away at sunderland. i tweaked a few things.... all defence on zonal def line up 2 nothches. match prep: ionce blended, always defence (as you say, they will alwyas score!) when away vs a tough team, if they have an amc, i drop the rcm back. when away vs a tough team, if they have aml/amr , i drop the aml/amr back to lm/rm. defenders must all have acc/pace/team work. dc must have good passing range. always have 2 replacement fullbakcs on bench and look to replace around 65mins (depending on condition) seems to be working wonders for me cheers again pal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I'm now 30 games into my first season with Peterborough Utd now and have scored 118 goals already. Mackail-Smith is scoring for fun for me, as was McLean before he went to Hull (I'm playing with an edited database). I'm not sure how far he can go, but at League 1 level for sure, Ryan Bennett is a quality defender for this tactic and his stats are getting better. Also, if you can get him on loan, Jordan Spence from West Ham is also proving to be a very capable performer for me with 8 goals from central defense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 DAVE,after speakin gto you at length on facebook the other night, my man u team continue to impress. 10.0 vs shaktar, 5.0 vs stoke, 8.1 away at sunderland. i tweaked a few things.... all defence on zonal def line up 2 nothches. match prep: ionce blended, always defence (as you say, they will alwyas score!) when away vs a tough team, if they have an amc, i drop the rcm back. when away vs a tough team, if they have aml/amr , i drop the aml/amr back to lm/rm. defenders must all have acc/pace/team work. dc must have good passing range. always have 2 replacement fullbakcs on bench and look to replace around 65mins (depending on condition) seems to be working wonders for me cheers again pal Awesome mate - It takes some slight tweaks but if you do it right, This tactic is just simply outstanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogiept Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Just one thought. Dave, u have ur miedfielders set to man mark, thus, if u r playing angainst a 451, u will always be outnumbered in miedfield plus they will always have an unmarked man in miedfield with lots of space and time to make a move. What do u think about setting ur cm to zonal marking instead? Will it be against ur thoughts about this tactic? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
panosrodo Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 using your tactic Dave I'm Juve. P26 W20 D2 L4 GF70 GA16.I have the best attack in the league and the best defence.Guess who is my best performer...Chiellini scored 16 out of 24 played....and Buffon.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest166 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Right now I've lost for the first time this season to Lyon on the 2nd round of Europe Leage. Here is a few screenies just to show how much Dave rocks The Premier League at the moment: http://img703.imageshack.us/i/barclayspremierleaguein.png/ Look at the amount of goals scored.I know i conceded a lot because of my goalkeeper but i'm going to bring a better one: http://img204.imageshack.us/i/ericsinayoverview.png/ Some screenies of the fixtures: http://img29.imageshack.us/i/manchestercitymancityfi.png/ http://img255.imageshack.us/i/manchestercitymancityfi.png/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest166 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 http://img573.imageshack.us/i/manchestercitymancityfi.png/ And now...The cream de la cream...the squad: http://img695.imageshack.us/i/manchestercitymancityta.png/ look at Tevez...1 word to describe him - M-A-C-H-I-N-E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jib Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hey Dave, I'm using your tactic with MK Dons 2010/11, it's going very well. I've used the orginal tactic and the tactic with the defensive tweaks applied. Personaly the orginal tactic has worked better for my team than the tactic with the tweaks. Just saying may be better to offer the tweaks as a seperate tactic in the OP rather than as a replacement cos I think it depends on what players people have as to which works better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Sutton Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 have u uploaded the tweaked tatic yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhmtrm Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hey Dave, Brilliant as always, fun to watch. Playing with Southampton save 28 wins 1 draw so far. Scored 77 and conceded 19. Thanks mate.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcoabreu Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_russian Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 i dunno if i do something wrong, but for me this tactic is the worst i ever tried, i concede 4-7 goals each game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruin Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 hi all, seen this question asked a couple of times, not seen the answer. Right Footed winger on the left or on the right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulic5647 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 he russinan ............... team? players? year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_russian Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 he russinan ............... team? players? year? first season with mainz 05, decent players, i tweaked the tactic (fb to zonal, d-line...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitro3x2 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I'm gonna give this a go with my Villa team. We have a good attack but my defenders currently play like utter morons and I can't seem to fix it myself. Will give your tactic a whirl and see if that improves things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3at Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 http://img573.imageshack.us/i/manchestercitymancityfi.png/And now...The cream de la cream...the squad: http://img695.imageshack.us/i/manchestercitymancityta.png/ look at Tevez...1 word to describe him - M-A-C-H-I-N-E Is this with original tactic or did you tweak it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulic5647 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 to the russian.... give it 15-20 games, use the tweak etc i suggested, get the best ass man u can and let him do team talks. see how that does buddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaffack Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 DAVE,after speakin gto you at length on facebook the other night, my man u team continue to impress. 10.0 vs shaktar, 5.0 vs stoke, 8.1 away at sunderland. i tweaked a few things.... all defence on zonal def line up 2 nothches. match prep: ionce blended, always defence (as you say, they will alwyas score!) when away vs a tough team, if they have an amc, i drop the rcm back. when away vs a tough team, if they have aml/amr , i drop the aml/amr back to lm/rm. defenders must all have acc/pace/team work. dc must have good passing range. always have 2 replacement fullbakcs on bench and look to replace around 65mins (depending on condition) seems to be working wonders for me cheers again pal sorry but what doest 'ionce blended'' ionce blended, always defence (as you say, they will alwyas score!) mean ??? and what are your suggestions for a enough ass mans??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulic5647 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 once blended in match prep, change to defence positioning to tighten up at the back. as dave always ays, this tactic will score goals so the key is to tighten the defence. get a good assistant manager with great tactical knowledge so he can give good, effective team talks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulic5647 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 please excuse my typo's, my keyboard is horrendously rubbish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest166 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Is this with original tactic or did you tweak it? FB - changed to Zonal Marking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Goblin Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I just wanted to share that I won 9-0 for the first time in FM 2011. And that was the first game I played with this tactic, therefore my squad wasnt even 100% familiar with it. More specifically, the CMR and the Target Mans were doing wonders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pusher Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 once blended in match prep, change to defence positioning to tighten up at the back.as dave always ays, this tactic will score goals so the key is to tighten the defence. get a good assistant manager with great tactical knowledge so he can give good, effective team talks Don't waste your time on such things as team talks and match rep. I don't use any it has NO EFFECT on my team and it didn't prevent me from finishing 5th with Blackpool (using Franky's tactic). All this rubbish as OI's, team talks and match prep has been tested over many seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunk Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 this tactic has a lot of potential attacking wise but in all honesty it still ships in loads of goals against you(even with the tweaks)...I tested this with sunderland on two different saves and i was conceding goals like crazy...hope mt hough can give a more defensive version of the tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salamy Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hey everybody..........Are the wingers inside forwards or just wingers, and do i need to put zonal marking for fullbacks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_barnes Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hi everybody, wasnt really holding much hope for this tactic as the last ones didnt work for me at all and I found ll Devisto to be the best id found. But I have to say im won over now. I dont usually post screenshots of my results etc but the season iv had with Derby has been amazing. This is first season and I have pretty much gutted side to what I started with so I thought it may take time to work as all the players where new.. I sold pretty much every player I could and bought in some very good players for this level so I do arguably have the best side in the championship but I ended up with a massive 118 points and bashed Chelsea 3-0 in the FA Cup final and took out arsenal in the semi. Tweaks I made after about 15 games into the season where as suggested, Defensive line up 2 notches and change fullbacks to zonal. Chramosta was my right striker and main target man oh and I tweaked the corners to make them a little more lethal as you can see by my dcs goal ratio. Oh and I had squad blend at start of season untill about 3 games in then went for defensive positioning in match prep on low and then blend again in january when i signed some more players for about 5 games. I retrained Bueno and Griffiths as wingers also and it seemed to work a treat having strikers on the wing. Great work Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wijnand fens Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 hi all, seen this question asked a couple of times, not seen the answer. Right Footed winger on the left or on the right? Anyone ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_barnes Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Anyone ??? Look at my results above with Bueno and Griffiths! left footer on left and right footer on right I did if that helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Dog Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hi Guys, I'm having as much success as everybody else on this great tactic, managing Liverpool in season 3 at the moment, top of the league with 8 games to go, scored 95 goals, let in 31, won the league cup, just removed Barcelona from the Champions League 1st knockout stage, Torres loves this this tactic as the right sided striker, banged in 45 in all comps so far - so everything is going great. Have tweeked the tactic as suggested, def. line up 2 notches, full backs on zonal - my question is though, cos I can't get my head around it, when you move the full backs to zonal, they are still on tight marking - is there such a thing as tight zonal marking? should we untick the "tight" instruction as well? If not, when the team is blended, doesn't the tight instruction contradict the def. positioning match preperation? What have you guys done - left it as it is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hi Guys, I'm having as much success as everybody else on this great tactic, managing Liverpool in season 3 at the moment, top of the league with 8 games to go, scored 95 goals, let in 31, won the league cup, just removed Barcelona from the Champions League 1st knockout stage, Torres loves this this tactic as the right sided striker, banged in 45 in all comps so far - so everything is going great. Have tweeked the tactic as suggested, def. line up 2 notches, full backs on zonal - my question is though, cos I can't get my head around it, when you move the full backs to zonal, they are still on tight marking - is there such a thing as tight zonal marking? should we untick the "tight" instruction as well? If not, when the team is blended, doesn't the tight instruction contradict the def. positioning match preperation? What have you guys done - left it as it is? I suggest that you leave tight marking on - Thats the best way to go, If you have a look at Patch Prep and all the areas are Fluid put the focus on Defensive Positioning - This will help even better to get an understanding of each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_barnes Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hi Guys, I'm having as much success as everybody else on this great tactic, managing Liverpool in season 3 at the moment, top of the league with 8 games to go, scored 95 goals, let in 31, won the league cup, just removed Barcelona from the Champions League 1st knockout stage, Torres loves this this tactic as the right sided striker, banged in 45 in all comps so far - so everything is going great. Have tweeked the tactic as suggested, def. line up 2 notches, full backs on zonal - my question is though, cos I can't get my head around it, when you move the full backs to zonal, they are still on tight marking - is there such a thing as tight zonal marking? should we untick the "tight" instruction as well? If not, when the team is blended, doesn't the tight instruction contradict the def. positioning match preperation? What have you guys done - left it as it is? Zonal marking means he will mark anyone in his zone so if someone goes into his zone he will lock onto him tight i guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Mr Hough I concede so many CCC's and goals. I score plenty, but every game I feel like Im going to concede at least one, no matter who I play against Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest166 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Started 2nd season: conceded 20 goals in 16 matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Sutton Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 !!! can some1 upload the tactic with the changes plz???? !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 !!! can some1 upload the tactic with the changes plz???? !!! Mate all they are is FB's zonal marking, and Dline two notches up IMO, these tweaks make no difference, and im conceding at least 2 goals a game, and im Liverpool 3rd season, with one of the best defences in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_barnes Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 !!! can some1 upload the tactic with the changes plz???? !!! Just click on your full backs and set marking to zonal and move defensive line 2 clicks to right and thats it. Thats all I did and I won the championshup and FA Cup, 118 points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_barnes Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Mate all they are is FB's zonal marking, and Dline two notches upIMO, these tweaks make no difference, and im conceding at least 2 goals a game, and im Liverpool 3rd season, with one of the best defences in the world. I find the tweaks make you score more, I conceded a fair few in my first season with Derby but look at the goals scored!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_russian Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 even with the tweaks u concede too much with weaker/decent teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulic5647 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 maybe ive woke up grumpy but this tactic off daves has the 'we will outscore you' mentality!!!!! if you conced 1,2 and game and score 3,4 happy days!!!! if you want 0.0s and 1.0 wins, dont use this tactic as for match prep, team talks, they do effect things, if you dont think they do, thats fine. they help me!!! ive conceded 39 in 38 games with man u. but scored 133. my defence is good but cud be better, rafael, fabio, phil jones and a 33 year old vidic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_russian Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 maybe ive woke up grumpy but this tactic off daves has the 'we will outscore you' mentality!!!!!if you conced 1,2 and game and score 3,4 happy days!!!! if you want 0.0s and 1.0 wins, dont use this tactic as for match prep, team talks, they do effect things, if you dont think they do, thats fine. they help me!!! ive conceded 39 in 38 games with man u. but scored 133. my defence is good but cud be better, rafael, fabio, phil jones and a 33 year old vidic thats exactly what im talking about, u concede 1,2 a game with manu, now imagine how much u will concede if u play with wolves or a similar team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnet_steve Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Dave, Not too sure how to upload tactics. I have Pm you with my email. If you respond I will send you this tactic as an attachment... I started playing this tactic when Mr H released it. Initial thoughts were that the defence sucks. Lots of goals conceded. So I started to tinker with the marking, D line, closing down and several other settings. Eventually I made it a 442 by pulling back the advanced wingers. First 11 games: Histon Friendly Away 9-0 Great Wakering Friendly Away 9-0 Hampton & Richmond Friendly Away 7-0 Frontale Friendly Away 6-0 Man Utd Community Shield Neutral 4-0 Man Utd PRM Away 4-1 Wolves PRM Home 3-0 Sunderland PRM Away 6-0 Blackburn PRM Home 3-0 AJ Auxerre Champions Cup Away 4-0 Fulham PRM Away 5-1 Playing as Chelsea. No transfers - original squad. AM gives opposition instructions and does match prep training. Not needed to tweak anything. Will continue testing a full season and then try a smaller club. 99% of this tactic is Mr Hough's. I managed to tighten up the defence, increase CCC, increase shots on target and keep more posession when compared to my first few games with the original tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulic5647 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 im going to try with a lesser premier league team tomoz, ill do the tweaks i mentioned and report back tomorrow night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_barnes Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I'll be starting my first season in the prem with Derby after winning the championship first season so ill let people know how it goes. That will be the real test. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_russian Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 has anybody tried pulling back the cm's when playing away against strong teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bornakon Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 can you upload it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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