blueowl Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Sheffield Wednesday is one that springs to my mind of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhams Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Millwall, who I support, have just beat one of your sleeping giants today. Looks like Leeds are still sleeping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Sheffield Wednesday is one that springs to my mind of course Is the Championship classed as the lower league? I hope not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar$haLL Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 I'd go with Nottingham Forest. I want to take them back to the pinnacle of Europe where they belong Glad to see so many people saying Forest. Up the reds! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backpackant Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Oh come on! With Notts County's new budget and illustrious history they must be the best sleeping giant in FM10! They are my next club to play with when I get done with Leeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alimac Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Bradford City. I got them promoted to Lg 1 and now have crowds of 20,000 and a transfer budget of 500k in League 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMN (YCFC) Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Yes, I definitely agree with you are! FC United are the FUTURE Premier League and European Cup champions! Perhaps by the year 2025, they would be regularly playing in the Premier League!! If the FA have any sense they'll ban them from the league. FC Utd are what happens when hooligans form their own club. They have no place in English Football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford94 Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 What he said. What they said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueowl Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Is the Championship classed as the lower league? I hope not I guess that would be determined by where you expect the club to be, In a perfect world I would expect Wednesday to be a top half Prem team. So with that in mind ... For me, Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 I guess that would be determined by where you expect the club to be, In a perfect world I would expect Wednesday to be a top half Prem team. So with that in mind ... For me, Yes. Thats the same place i'd like Newcastle to be , although i have to admit i am enjoying going to the matches more in the CCC. For me it just feels more 'real' than going to places in the premiership (and i've done them all at some point), not to mention cheaper! For me though, i'd still say lower league (in England) is outside of league 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcoleman1 Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Not a massive sleeping giant, but I like doing a save with 1860 Munchen, won the German First Division a couple of times, now in the German second division. The challenge is to make them bigger than Bayern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vrisk85 Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Why does a sleeping giant need to have had success in the past? Surely the potential for future success makes them a sleeping giant?When Adam Pearson bought Hull City he described them as a sleeping giant with masive potential. That was when we were in Division 3, with the only silverware in our cabinet being the Billy Bly Trophy and the East Riding Senior Cup. We may not be doing great in the Premier League but relative to our history, it can be classed as great success! To be a sleeping giant you need two "things": A. Be a giant; The club needs to be successful, beating Valencia 7-0 is nice, but eventually doesn't make any difference.. B. Be asleep; Said club should suffer a downfall, like Boavista or Genoa. Genoa are still considered a sleeping giant, always will be - even if they are in Serie A. Oviedo are just sleeping. People use the term too loosely, how about not lowering its value and use it properly to distinguish the truly great teams from the Oviedo's and Boston's ? Seriously, you're insulting the real sleeping giants when you refer to Bradford City as a sleeping giant. Not that people will listen, it's the internet, you're free to do as you please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelionsden1986 Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Id say Millwall count, but then im a little biased! Were not a sleeping giant in terms of past success, or even support but we could be if that makes sence? When we do have a bit of success we can mix it with the best of them in terms of support. You only need to look at our recent support at wembley over 50k Millwall fans, 35k for the Cup final in cardiff, etc. Millwall are also the nearest professional club to central london, its just a shame that our fans only seem to turn up for the good times! speaking of which 2-1 today! What a performance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FmGeenieScout Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Leeds are the sleeping giants who have all the credentials to make it to the top. If you can do straight seasons leading to a european spot you are a true genius. I will probably take 6-7 seasons though if i dont get sacked lol! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antony Earl Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Berliner FC Dynamo, 10 consecutive east german titles between 1979 and 1988 (which is a german record), cup winners cup semi final and two european cup quarter finals... now playing in about german 5th division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappie.dm Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Notts County, Notts County, Notts County...the other Nottingham team...and Notts County. The lower league version of Man City... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allynod Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 If the FA have any sense they'll ban them from the league. FC Utd are what happens when hooligans form their own club. They have no place in English Football. Im sorry but where is your evidence to show we are hooligans? considering we consistently get over 2500 fans in the unibond premier and very rarely get any trouble i dont know how you come up with that!!!! Hooligans that dont believe in our game turning into a charade which tv dictates and foreign investors believe they have a right to turn it into a joke. Alas as long as there is money to spend in FM everyone is happy. x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finknottle Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 My definition of "sleeping giants" is thus. 1. They are clubs from my schooldays in the very late forties, early and mid fifties, that were in the old First Division and had in their teams the "stars" of their day. 2. They are not now and have not been in the top tier of English football for some forty years or so. Off hand I remember the following. Blackpool [Mathews, Mortensen, Johnston]. Cardiff City [sherwood]. Charlton Athletic [bartram, Firmani]. Huddersfield Town, forgive me but their players names escape me. Preston North End [Finney, Shankly] and Sheffield Wednesday [Redfearn or was it Jack froggatt?]. I can never remember which of the two brothers played for Wednesday and which played for Portsmouth. There are other clubs that have been continually up and down on a regular basis and clibs like Portsmouth and Wolves who have recently got back up to the top tier. Amongst the players mentioned is, in my opinion, the best goalkeeper never to have played for England. He is Sam Bartram of Charlton Athletic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veg Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Incidentally, going off topic here but Farnborough are in the process of building a new stand, which is not reflected on the demo. Will it be reflected on the proper game and if not- how come ? This should be posted in tha Data Forum! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veg Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Stadia are generic Nope, Stadium info is added in the DB... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SellOn_Clause Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 FC Rotor Volgograd (do a search for Rotor and you'll find them). (They're unplayable to start with so go on holidays a season and they should pop up). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Nope, Stadium info is added in the DB... Yes, but what he is saying is that you will get a generic looking stadium that matches your attendance figure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ockenback Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Leeds and Nottingham Forest are the first that spring to mind. I'd say Forest's rivals Derby County as well. And I'd agree with the poster that suggested Bradford. Although not quite giants I'd expect them to be in the Championship at least rather than Leauge Two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magyar Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 as someone said earlier , ferencvaros , they may now be back in hungarys top division but hungarian league isnt the strongest anyway , fradi , as they are known , used to be a top european club back in the day , and ive managed them several times in fm but its difficult to recreate their past days , it seems to effect the national side easier , i have seen hungary become world champions by 2018 several times but never managed to land the champions league with ferencvaros , i think ive never got past the quaters with them , have a go , the league gets easy after 2 or 3 seasons with only really debrecen keeping up but in europe its different , it ends up a bit like rangers and celtic , but if any one can win the champions league with them then say so on here . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BennyLava Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 what about Newport county????? surely they are a candidate as one of the non league giants, they were in the football league from 1920 until the late 1980's? and if i recall correctly they got to the quarter finals of the cup winners cup, in 1980 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garate Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I don't think anybody has mentioned Alavés, now in Spanish Segunda B. They lost to Liverpool the UEFA Cup´s final in 2001, and they were in First Division for different years in the '90s-2000s, even qualifying for UEFA again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest markyosullivan Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Luton Town, Leeds United, Notts County, Nottingham Forrest, Millwall, Norwich City, Derby County, Leicester City, Charlton Athletic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr NEC Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 ADO Den Haag in Holland allthough they play at the highest level but are not more then relegation candidates but in potential they are propably the 2nd or 3rd best club of holland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I bet Glen Little's right leg that FC United will not win the Champions League within thirty years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest markyosullivan Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I bet Glen Little's right leg that FC United will not win the Champions League within thirty years. Agreed. AFC Wimbledon have a better chance than FC United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allynod Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Agreed. AFC Wimbledon have a better chance than FC United. You have alot of experience on Fc United and AFC Wimbledon? If not how do you come up with this answer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 You have alot of experience on Fc United and AFC Wimbledon? If not how do you come up with this answer? Well, for starters, AFC Wimbledon have a higher league position... Regardless, neither of them will ever be much bigger than Aldershot, and that's saying something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 How about Accrington Stanley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 How about Accrington Stanley? Who are they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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baker.simon Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Who are they? Exactly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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grumpus Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 The first save I ever played when I started FM '09 (my first FM) was with Leeds. I had no idea what I was doing - never setting tactics, training routines, or doing anything with my staff - and I still shot straight up into the EPL in two seasons, finished 4th and made it into Europe in season three, and kept rolling from there. Leeds, at least in-game, is practically a giant as it is - without so much sleeping. You *start* with a 40,000-seat Elland Road (12th biggest stadium in all of England even before expanding it), a very solid squad overall (which is predicted to win League 1) and an 18-year-old Fabian Delph sitting in the midfield ready to become a star. Sorry if that's player-naming, but I don't think Delph is exactly a secret hidden gem seeing how he's an England youth international, and Aston Villa just snatched him up. If you want a lower-league challenge, don't go with Leeds. It's too easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kikka Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 and let's not forget Barrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allynod Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Well, for starters, AFC Wimbledon have a higher league position...Regardless, neither of them will ever be much bigger than Aldershot, and that's saying something. Considering they have been around longer than us that could go some way to being the reason. i wish AFC all the best as i think their fans like ours did the right thing. Thats saying what? A football team ran by fans for fans charging a hell of a lot less than teams around us and not selling out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FmGeenieScout Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 The first save I ever played when I started FM '09 (my first FM) was with Leeds. I had no idea what I was doing - never setting tactics, training routines, or doing anything with my staff - and I still shot straight up into the EPL in two seasons, finished 4th and made it into Europe in season three, and kept rolling from there.I dont believe this to be honest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenal_2111 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I know they weren't giants, but 4 relegations in 4 seasons makes Luton a good challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpus Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I dont believe this to be honest Really? Well, it's true! I've read accounts from others who've found Leeds very easy to manage in-game. The starting squad is so good that I think I only lost one or two games the first season. Fabian Delph became an almost-instant superstar for me; I was getting bids of $25m+ from all the rich clubs by the third year. The squad has several players who were able to be at least decent in the EPL, like Paul Huntington, Tom Elliot and Jonathan Howson. With other teams in League 1 and below, I've usually found it necessary to clean house almost entirely. I'm doing that even now with Preston in the Champ. League. But with Leeds I was able to hit the ground running with what I inherited and just let age and contracts run their own course, pretty much. I won't name any off-squad players, but let's say I found it very easy to attract and afford about half a dozen players off the England U-21s once I got into the Championship League and above. The stadium alone puts you head and shoulders above your lower-league competitors in finances, and Leeds has top-notch facilities to start as well. I think Leeds' reputation is on the high end of "National," too, as I only got snubbed due to reputation from players at the very biggest clubs. And that stopped after I finished 4th in the EPL. P.S. I still have a match saved from that game where we shocked Tottenham in a later FA Cup round, beating them at Elland Road after scraping a draw at Spurs. Winning that match had me running around the house screaming and doing the airplane for about three minutes. Seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboFla Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 First clubs that spring to mind are Leeds, Forest, Real Sociedad, Celta Vigo, Torino, Stade Reims and Pro Vercilli. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Killie1869 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 How about Queens Park? Oldest Scottish Club, play at Hampden, 3rd on the list of most Scottish Cup wins even though they have'nt won it in over 100 years. They might not have the money but would be a great challenge in Footman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FmGeenieScout Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Easy is one thing but putting in no effort using stock tactics and no signings then achieving back to back promotion followed by champions league football sounds a little far fetched to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpus Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Easy is one thing but putting in no effort using stock tactics and no signings then achieving back to back promotion followed by champions league football sounds a little far fetched to me I only used the stock tactics for most of the first season. And I did make in-game adjustments. Then I read TT&F and built my own tactics from scratch. Still, we hardly lost or drew even before that. It wasn't until the second season that I made my own training routines (based off TT's) and got my coaching set up properly I don't think that squad could do well in Champ. League being run in newbie mode as it was in League 1, but in League 1 Leeds is a powerhouse even if you change nothing. And I didn't say I made NO signings; I made quite a few, just not the first season. Start up a new game and take a look at the squad for yourself, if you never have. There's really no weak spot. There are a few overpaid older players, but that's about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FmGeenieScout Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Fair enough! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATW Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 The easiest most recent Scottish side to go is probably Livingston. Due to the way they have been done, even I could get them into the First Division (from the Third) at least in two successive seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Dundee, Dunfermline, Inverness CT in the scottish first division and Livingston in the 3rd division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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