Soul_Linneus Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I just started a holiday game in order to check if the game balance remains the same after x-year. My experience playing the game is that regens don't develop fast enough. But i can never really be sure because i play with an edited database. For this holiday game i used an unedited version of the 9.2.0 database. I have of course patch 9.2 installed. I'm using FMRTE to search for players. I'll report back with updated results every 2 years. CA170+ 2008: 64 players PA185+ 2008: 70 CA140+ age<or=18 2008: 4 CA145+ PA170+ age<or=20 2008: 17 CA155+ PA170+ age<or=22 2008: 36 CA165+ PA170+ age<or=24 2008: 26 Champions League Winner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB-forever Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I think most people are saying that regens are a litlle bit too good Or maybe their attributes just look that way because most of the regens are one-footed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 First results are a bit of a shock tbh. Seems CA development is going way faster then on my savegame. On my game a player like Balotelli still has a CA of 146 when he's 21. On this holiday game he seems to progress way quicker and is at 169 at the when he just turned 20. Maybe editing certain aspects of the game has an influence on CA develoment. CA170+ 2008: 64 players 2010: 107 PA185+ 2008: 70 2010: 66 CA140+ age<or=18 2008: 4 2010: 1 CA145+ PA170+ age<or=20 2008: 17 2010: 26 CA155+ PA170+ age<or=22 2008: 36 2010: 48 CA165+ PA170+ age<or=24 2008: 26 2010: 54 Champions League Winner 2009: Roma (vs. Juventus) 2010: Barcelona (vs. Arsenal) Highest CA under 21 Highest CA overall Hottest regen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHAVFC Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I like this, keep updating please, I'm keen to know what happens next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 Seems the trend has been reversed. For now i'd say players seem to reach a higher CA, but many take their time to get there. CA170+ 2008: 64 players 2010: 107 2012: 123 PA185+ 2008: 70 2010: 66 2012: 63 CA140+ age<or=18 2008: 4 2010: 1 2012: 1 CA145+ PA170+ age<or=20 (wonderkid criteria) 2008: 17 2010: 26 2012: 5 CA155+ PA170+ age<or=22 2008: 36 2010: 48 2012: 31 CA165+ PA170+ age<or=24 2008: 26 2010: 54 2012: 36 Champions League Winner 2009: Roma (vs. Juventus) 2010: Barcelona (vs. Arsenal) 2011: FC Bayern (vs. Barcelona) 2012: R. Madrid (vs. Arsenal) Highest CA under 21 Highest CA overall top 3 1. 2. 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 Hottest regens 1. 2. 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 Liverpool went into administration Frank Rijkaard is the new Man Utd Manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipknot67 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 To the op, not having a go at you here mate, just a heads up so you aint cought by surprise when it happens...this thread is almost defo going to get moved, it should be in the challenges, sign ups and experiments forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert_Goal_Here Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 liking this, keep up the good work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 To the op, not having a go at you here mate, just a heads up so you aint cought by surprise when it happens...this thread is almost defo going to get moved, it should be in the challenges, sign ups and experiments forum. If i would've heard of that forum I would've posted it there. I usually don't bother with anything below the editors hideaway. :s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark ozzie Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 intersting stuff soul, the canadian looks a player KUTGW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
small Mac Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Interesting experiment. I will follow the progress:thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 CA170+ 2008: 64 players 2010: 107 2012: 123 2014: 117 PA185+ 2008: 70 2010: 66 2012: 63 2014: 69 CA140+ age<or=18 2008: 4 2010: 1 2012: 1 2014: 0 CA145+ PA170+ age<or=20 (wonderkid criteria) 2008: 17 2010: 26 2012: 5 2014: 10 CA155+ PA170+ age<or=22 2008: 36 2010: 48 2012: 31 2014: 8 CA165+ PA170+ age<or=24 2008: 26 2010: 54 2012: 36 2014: 18 Champions League Winner 2009: Roma (vs. Juventus) 2010: Barcelona (vs. Arsenal) 2011: FC Bayern (vs. Barcelona) 2012: R. Madrid (vs. Arsenal) 2013: Barcelona (vs. Arsenal) 2014: AC Milan (vs. Barcelona) Highest CA under 21 Highest CA overall top 3 1. 2. 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHAVFC Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Noel Herault has improved loads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiovascular Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 199 CA? And would you upload the save after your done? I'd like to play in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 Hottest Talents 1. 2. 3. 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClownCollege Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Who won the world cups? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 199 CA?And would you upload the save after your done? I'd like to play in the future. I could do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 CA170+ 2008: 64 players 2010: 107 2012: 123 2014: 117 2016: 104 PA185+ 2008: 70 2010: 66 2012: 63 2014: 69 2016: 69 CA140+ age<or=18 2008: 4 2010: 1 2012: 1 2014: 0 2016: 3 CA145+ PA170+ age<or=20 (wonderkid criteria) 2008: 17 2010: 26 2012: 5 2014: 10 2016: 5 CA155+ PA170+ age<or=22 2008: 36 2010: 48 2012: 31 2014: 8 2016: 13 CA165+ PA170+ age<or=24 2008: 26 2010: 54 2012: 36 2014: 18 2016: 11 Champions League Winner 2009: Roma (vs. Juventus) 2010: Barcelona (vs. Arsenal) 2011: FC Bayern (vs. Barcelona) 2012: R. Madrid (vs. Arsenal) 2013: Barcelona (vs. Arsenal) 2014: AC Milan (vs. Barcelona) 2015: Arsenal (vs. Milan) 2016: Liverpool (vs. Barcelona) World Cup Winner 2010: Argentina (vs. Germany) 2014: Argentina (vs. Cameroon) European Championship Winner 2012: Holland (vs. Italy) 2016: Turkey (vs. Spain) Highest CA under 21 Highest CA overall top 3 1. 2. 3. 4. Lionel Messi - Barcelona - 193 5. Mark Palmer - Arsenal - 191 6. Iker Casillas - R. Madrid - 191 7. Karim Benzema - Lyon - 187 8. Sergio Ramos - R. Madrid - 186 9. Kaka - Milan - 185 10. Andres Guardado - Barcelona - 185 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Hottest Talents 1. 2. 3. 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Premiership 2009: Chelsea / Man Utd 2010: Arsenal / Man Utd 2011: Arsenal / Man Utd 2012: Arsenal / Man Utd 2013: Chelsea / Man Utd 2014: Arsenal / Liverpool 2015: Arsenal / Liverpool 2016: Liverpool / Chelsea Apparently Liverpool didn't really suffer much from going into administration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kewell08 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I want that Herault kid. 199PA from Canada? And 191CA at 21... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smac Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Go a bit further... lets see if there continue to be a few wonderkids. And wow, things almost look balanced! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sthptngomad76 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Premiership2009: Chelsea / Man Utd 2010: Arsenal / Man Utd 2011: Arsenal / Man Utd 2012: Arsenal / Man Utd 2013: Chelsea / Man Utd 2014: Arsenal / Liverpool 2015: Arsenal / Liverpool 2016: Liverpool / Chelsea Apparently Liverpool didn't really suffer much from going into administration. Arsenal still doing pretty well I see, even with the patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
estoo Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Some interesting figures in there. Keep up the good work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 What leagues have you loaded mate ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glyn Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 This should be in the Holiday Game forum, I'll move it and leave a redirect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanista1994 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 What has Roma been doing in the league? CL win in 2009 in Rome: Omen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnefc22 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 This is a really interesting read Kutgw and what year are you going to continue to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 What leagues have you loaded mate ? First I had 10 topleagues loaded, but the processing took way too long, so I restarted and loaded only the Premier League. This had no effect at all on the numbers of regens in the categories i selected at the start of the game. At this point it seems i was correct in my original assumption that regens don't develop qickly enough. Almost every category has less players compared to the start of the game. In my savegame i have about 50 playeble leagues and retained hundreds of clubs from other nations using a DDT file and the results are comparable tbh. Still I like this way more than the way it was in FM2007 where almost every regen reached their potential at the age 21-22. Now if you can snap up a regen with a very high PA it is well possible that he never even gets close to his PA, which is how it should be imo. The only thing i find disturbing is that some players don't develop at all. I've snapped up a 19-year old top regen in Honduras, CA139 PA174. in the last year he played almost every match, facilities are at 13/20, training is around 5-7 stars, i play in Serie C1/A and Serie B. But his CA didn't even increase 1 point. Don't tell me he didn't learn a thing over those two years. Same thing with Balotelli, his CA doesn't even increase by 1 point despite being at an absolute top club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 What has Roma been doing in the league?CL win in 2009 in Rome: Omen! No Italian league selected :s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUTUT Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I need help in how to play footbal manger 2009 online Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 CA170+ 2008: 64 players 2010: 107 2012: 123 2014: 117 2016: 104 2018: 72 PA185+ 2008: 70 2010: 66 2012: 63 2014: 69 2016: 69 2018: 73 CA140+ age<or=18 2008: 4 2010: 1 2012: 1 2014: 0 2016: 3 2018: 2 CA145+ PA170+ age<or=20 (wonderkid criteria) 2008: 17 2010: 26 2012: 5 2014: 10 2016: 5 2018: 20 If you would take the average of all those years, then there won't be a significant difference compared to the situation at the start of the game. There just seems to be a difference between certain generation, which is acceptable. CA155+ PA170+ age<or=22 2008: 36 2010: 48 2012: 31 2014: 8 2016: 13 2018: 19 CA165+ PA170+ age<or=24 2008: 26 2010: 54 2012: 36 2014: 18 2016: 11 2018: 17 Champions League Winner 2009: Roma (vs. Juventus) 2010: Barcelona (vs. Arsenal) 2011: FC Bayern (vs. Barcelona) 2012: R. Madrid (vs. Arsenal) 2013: Barcelona (vs. Arsenal) 2014: AC Milan (vs. Barcelona) 2015: Arsenal (vs. Milan) 2016: Liverpool (vs. Barcelona) 2017: Valencia (vs. Barcelona) 2018: Juventus (vs. Man City) World Cup Winner 2010: Argentina (vs. Germany) 2014: Argentina (vs. Cameroon) 2018: Spain (vs. Brazil) European Championship Winner 2012: Holland (vs. Italy) 2016: Turkey (vs. Spain) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Another remark that can be made is that ca185+ players NEVER move clubs once they arrive at a top club. I really don't think Benzema will still play in Lyon in 10 years from now. Top Players regularly move clubs IRL: Ballack, Shevchenko, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy, Beckham, ... Didn't happen yet in this game. Although that could be due to the fact that only 1 nation has been selected as playable. Highest CA under 21 Highest CA overall top 3 1 (1) 2 (5) 3 (2) 4 (6) Iker Casillas - R. Madrid - 191 5 (4) Lionel Messi - Barcelona - 189 6 (3) Cristiano Ronaldo - Man Utd - 188 7 (7) Karim Benzema - Lyon - 187 8 (N) Rene Adler - Leverkusen - 185 9 (N) Steve Mandana - O. Marseille -184 10 (8) Sergio Ramos - R. Madrid - 184 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Hottest Youngsters 1. 2. 3. 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazza_1105 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 That Mark Palmer has to be the best striker i have ever seen on FM09. 20 for: Finishing First Touch Compusure Heading Off the Ball 18+: Dribbling Technique Anticipation Jumping Stamina Determination Strenght Agility He must be unplayable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaldinho Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I'm liking this. Also loving that either Barca or Arsenal have lost pretty much every CL final for a decade! Arsenal having the 3 best players in the world is crazy though, what a team that must be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 That Mark Palmer has to be the best striker i have ever seen on FM09. 20 for: Finishing First Touch Compusure Heading Off the Ball 18+: Dribbling Technique Anticipation Jumping Stamina Determination Strenght Agility He must be unplayable And he's English Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB-forever Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 And he's English And one footed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 And not the quickest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Arsenal having the 3 best players in the world is crazy though, what a team that must be. The best in the world is at Bayern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 4, 2009 Author Share Posted January 4, 2009 CA170+ 2008: 64 players 2010: 107 2012: 123 2014: 117 2016: 104 2018: 72 2020: 55 PA185+ 2008: 70 2010: 66 2012: 63 2014: 69 2016: 69 2018: 73 2020: 69 CA140+ age<or=18 2008: 4 2010: 1 2012: 1 2014: 0 2016: 3 2018: 2 2020: 1 CA145+ PA170+ age<or=20 (wonderkid criteria) 2008: 17 2010: 26 2012: 5 2014: 10 2016: 5 2018: 20 2020: 6 CA155+ PA170+ age<or=22 2008: 36 2010: 48 2012: 31 2014: 8 2016: 13 2018: 19 2020: 28 CA165+ PA170+ age<or=24 2008: 26 2010: 54 2012: 36 2014: 18 2016: 11 2018: 17 2020: 15 Champions League Winner 2009: Roma (vs. Juventus) 2010: Barcelona (vs. Arsenal) 2011: FC Bayern (vs. Barcelona) 2012: R. Madrid (vs. Arsenal) 2013: Barcelona (vs. Arsenal) 2014: AC Milan (vs. Barcelona) 2015: Arsenal (vs. Milan) 2016: Liverpool (vs. Barcelona) 2017: Valencia (vs. Barcelona) 2018: Juventus (vs. Man City) 2019: Juventus (vs. Arsenal) 2020: Barcelona (vs. Liverpool) World Cup Winner 2010: Argentina (vs. Germany) 2014: Argentina (vs. Cameroon) 2018: Spain (vs. Brazil) European Championship Winner 2012: Holland (vs. Italy) 2016: Turkey (vs. Spain) 2020: Italy (vs. Serbia) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 4, 2009 Author Share Posted January 4, 2009 Finally after more than 11 years, 1 high CA player moved club: Mario Balotelli, aged 29, from Inter to Chelsea for 51M (euro) Highest CA under 21 Highest CA overall top 3 1 (1) 2 (2) 3 (-) 4 (8) Rene Adler - Leverkusen - 185 5 (-) Hugo Lloris - O. Lyon - 184 6 (4) Iker Casillas - R. Madrid - 184 7 (3) Francesc Fabregas - Arsenal - 184 8 (-) Mamadou Sakho - Arsenal - 184 9 (-) Mario Balotelli - Chelsea - 183 10 (-) Igor Akinfeev - CSKA Moscow - 182 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazza_1105 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Mark Palmer just gets better and better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ljuba82 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I just checked normality with SPSS package (statistical program). Progress is perfectly normal (Gaus bell). But what I found very interesting is that facec changes over time... Look this guy who have CA 199 when he was younger and look him now. Amazing!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancer890 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 A Canadian is the best player in the world!!! He's amazing!!! :D So unrealistic. A Canadian being the best footballer in the world. Have Canada made the World Cup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_Linneus Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 Hottest Youngsters 1. 2. 3. 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mikeytwigge Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 You might want to try posting links rather than the actual images as it takes ages for the page to load up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grec Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Is it me or is there a lack of good goalie regens? None of the prospects are goalies and the ones who have a high CA were already in the database Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT-- Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I've had a look at something similar, which might be of interest to those reading this thread: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=89028 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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