Kewell worth more then first thought...

Ok i am in 2009 with Man City, just played birmingham who have Harry Kewell.

He scored 2 goals and set one up. As i have just sold my starting AM for $30m

I need a new AM, so i submitted an offer of $22m Birmingham's board accept on

behalf of their manager they felt it was an offer they couldn't refuse. So i thought to

myself why pay $22m when i could pay $18-20m so i withdrew the offer and submitted a new

$19m offer. I got a message back saying that they would sell him for nothing less then $29.5m.

HAHA, couldn't believe this.

Ok i am in 2009 with Man City, just played birmingham who have Harry Kewell.

He scored 2 goals and set one up. As i have just sold my starting AM for $30m

I need a new AM, so i submitted an offer of $22m Birmingham's board accept on

behalf of their manager they felt it was an offer they couldn't refuse. So i thought to

myself why pay $22m when i could pay $18-20m so i withdrew the offer and submitted a new

$19m offer. I got a message back saying that they would sell him for nothing less then $29.5m.

HAHA, couldn't believe this.

Haha, Birmingham upset with you for messing them around? Nice realism there.

This is typical of how the AI 'negotiates'.

Want a Rug? 10 Euros!

How about 8 Euros?

Want a Rug? 15 Euros only!

Ok i am in 2009 with Man City, just played birmingham who have Harry Kewell.

He scored 2 goals and set one up. As i have just sold my starting AM for $30m

I need a new AM, so i submitted an offer of $22m Birmingham's board accept on

behalf of their manager they felt it was an offer they couldn't refuse. So i thought to

myself why pay $22m when i could pay $18-20m so i withdrew the offer and submitted a new

$19m offer. I got a message back saying that they would sell him for nothing less then $29.5m.

HAHA, couldn't believe this.

how daft buying a player based on one good game make sure to check his stats and check to see how good he played against your team the fact he scored twice and set one up does not mean he played good for the whole game or even anytime during the game.

how daft buying a player based on one good game make sure to check his stats and check to see how good he played against your team the fact he scored twice and set one up does not mean he played good for the whole game or even anytime during the game.

I understand mate,

But i am an aussie so i love harry.:o

a) He's now in demand and b) he's probably a valuable member of the squad and they don't want to lose him.

Try waiting a couple of weeks and then bidding again. $18million? Is that Aussie money or U.S.? If it's Aussie, isn't that about £6million UK? In the game Harry's still pretty good so AU$22million might not be unrealistic.

umm thats aussie money sorry for not mentioning.

Yeah but i find it funny that the board accepted it at $22m

then asked for $29.5.

i think it is delibrate in the game so you don't keep offering a lower price until you pay the lowest possible for any player

If the board accepted your offer before, then maybe this is what the manager wants, rather than the board?

Ive noticed you could bid £29 million for a player for example, then Chelski bid £25 and then accept their offer too, you try dropping your and they reject yours! why does this happen??

I don't like that people are defending this. It's clearly poor AI.

Hopefully this has been fixed for FM09.

Ive noticed you could bid £29 million for a player for example, then Chelski bid £25 and then accept their offer too, you try dropping your and they reject yours! why does this happen??

There could be a number of reasons. Chelsea and the selling manager may have a good relationship where as the manger may have a fairly poor opinion of you.

Secondly again you would be peed off if somebody done that to you

There could be a number of reasons. Chelsea and the selling manager may have a good relationship where as the manger may have a fairly poor opinion of you.

Secondly again you would be peed off if somebody done that to you

So could that mean that im a Birmingham favoured person but the managers hated personal.:confused:

The whole transfer module has been rewritten for FM2009, so I think that it's safe to say that this form of AI was poorly implemented and that it will be fixed for FM2009. If it was going for realism, it should merely put up a mention saying that since the club had received your former offer, they will not settle for anything less than the value you already proposed. Then that would be realism. Also, if it were to realistic, they shouldn't want to accept the former, lower, offer, if you just cancel the transfer and try again a day later. It's simply poor AI, nothing else, so don't try to defend it.

So could that mean that im a Birmingham favoured person but the managers hated personal.:confused:

Possibly, yes. As manager of Man Utd I tried to buy Robin van Persie as cover for my wingers. He was valued at £6.75m and getting on a wee bit, so I pushed my luck and offered £6m. Juventus then put in a bid of £5m the day after. Arsenal accepted Juve's bid and rejected mine, with the poor relationship between myself and Marcelino (the Arsenal manager) being the reason for the rejection. I offered £9m, and was still rejected, so I offered a little more, and a little more...it wasn't until I offered £12m (over double what Juve were looking to spend) that I finally had my bid accepted. Turned it down because I felt I was paying far too much for him, and went with a slightly younger (and better) Tranquillo Barnetta from newly-relegated Newcastle for £10m

I don't like that people are defending this. It's clearly poor AI.

Hopefully this has been fixed for FM09.

They will defend anything, its clearly wrong and nothing to do with relationships. Its happened with me with teams Ive never even played or ever spoke about.

SI seem to agree with us which is why they have completely rewritten the transfer engine.

Possibly, yes. As manager of Man Utd I tried to buy Robin van Persie as cover for my wingers. He was valued at £6.75m and getting on a wee bit, so I pushed my luck and offered £6m. Juventus then put in a bid of £5m the day after. Arsenal accepted Juve's bid and rejected mine, with the poor relationship between myself and Marcelino (the Arsenal manager) being the reason for the rejection. I offered £9m, and was still rejected, so I offered a little more, and a little more...it wasn't until I offered £12m (over double what Juve were looking to spend) that I finally had my bid accepted. Turned it down because I felt I was paying far too much for him, and went with a slightly younger (and better) Tranquillo Barnetta from newly-relegated Newcastle for £10m

Wouldn't not wanting to sell to a team in the same league come into play here too?

I understand mate,

But i am an aussie so i love harry.:o

there is no time for the old friends act when it comes to buying players at the end of the day you get the sack they don't if the team does bad.

Possibly, yes. As manager of Man Utd I tried to buy Robin van Persie as cover for my wingers. He was valued at £6.75m and getting on a wee bit, so I pushed my luck and offered £6m. Juventus then put in a bid of £5m the day after. Arsenal accepted Juve's bid and rejected mine, with the poor relationship between myself and Marcelino (the Arsenal manager) being the reason for the rejection. I offered £9m, and was still rejected, so I offered a little more, and a little more...it wasn't until I offered £12m (over double what Juve were looking to spend) that I finally had my bid accepted. Turned it down because I felt I was paying far too much for him, and went with a slightly younger (and better) Tranquillo Barnetta from newly-relegated Newcastle for £10m

This is different. You are buying a player from your arch rival and naturally they will be unwilling to sell you a player except for a largely inflated price (i know silvestre went from manutd to arsenal but thats real life ). While the AI behavior with regards to the transfer negotiation is understandable (and rightly so ), there is a serious problem with negotiation a transfer with AI. For example five years into the game, i took over as the manutd manager and bid for billy sharp who was at sunderland. now i have a good relationship with roy keane so i was hopeful of getting the player for a lower price than the actual asking price. So i sent in an enquiry. sunderland wanted 14.5 million (in pounds) for a player valued at 6 million. i bid 11 million and a sell on clause of 10% and sunderland came back asking for 17 million!!! Hopefully this problem has been rectified for the new version

there is no time for the old friends act when it comes to buying players at the end of the day you get the sack they don't if the team does bad.

It's just a game man....

This is typical of how the AI 'negotiates'.

Want a Rug? 10 Euros!

How about 8 Euros?

Want a Rug? 15 Euros only!

Nice analogy. Here's how an attempted transaction recently went for me;

Me: "How much is that rug?"

Them: "This rug is not for sale."

Me: "I will cross your palm with £20 for that rug."

Them: "I will accept a deal for this rug of £27."

Me: "How about £24.50?"

Them: "You can have this rug for a deal starting at £82."

Me: "I'll do my rug shopping at another flea market, I think. Ta-ta, now."

I don't see much wrong with the scenario in the 1st post. That's not to say I don't see lots wrong with the transfer market in general, but not in that one scenario.

You agreed a deal, then went back on it and tried to offer less so they said screw you then, if you want to mess us around we'll mess you around and do exactly the same in the opposite direction.

Just because the manager demanded 29.5 million though doesn't mean that is what you have to pay, it just means their board didn't intercept your lower offer, but may well do so again if you offered the 22 million again rather than the 29.5 million that the manager asked for. I also find that you get more offers accepted if you make them non-negotiable - tends to cause the opposing club's board to step in more often.

If you were prepared to offer an amount to the extent that you put in a formal bid, why would they then accept less? Have you tried bidding $22m again?

Nice analogy. Here's how an attempted transaction recently went for me;

Me: "How much is that rug?"

Them: "This rug is not for sale."

Me: "I will cross your palm with £20 for that rug."

Them: "I will accept a deal for this rug of £27."

Me: "How about £24.50?"

Them: "You can have this rug for a deal starting at £82."

Me: "I'll do my rug shopping at another flea market, I think. Ta-ta, now."

Exactly why I had to use another program to find out what they will accept. The negotiation is beyond ******** in FM and Im glad they totally rebuilt it.