west_ham Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I find it very strange that some players, hardly high-profile superstarts, such as Miguel Veloso and Joao Moutinho of Sporting CP, or Rafinha of Schalke, would not even consider joining a top half Premier League side, namely West Ham, for maximum wages! You might justify this by suggesting that Sporting CP play Champions League football regularly, but realistically, I can't see a Sporting player rejecting a lucrative offer from a Premier League club. Am I the only one who thinks that way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannysheard Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 West Ham are rubbish --> always have been and always will be. Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tansrb Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 realistically, sporting are a bigger club than west ham. nuff said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawsie Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 They are champions league teams, west ham are not. Champions league football is a major weighting factor in any transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lung Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I think you have to consider that Veloso and Moutinho have routinely been linked with clubs like Man Utd, AC Milan, etc. in the past in real life. If a player I really want is reluctant to join, I look at his favorite people list and bring in the cheapest staff/player on there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigy18181 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 its not all about the league you play in, sure it helps but these players have ambitions to play in europe and that is something that west ham cannot offer and never will. Well maybe once in every 10 years or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 The fact that they KNOW they can end up in better places will make them reluctant to join West Ham. The're already happy at Sporting so they'll only leave Sporting to go to somewhere bigger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 It also has to do with the surroudings, normally those players form Portugal have a hard time adapting to the live in the UK, maybe this is also taken into account when trying to sign them for Westham Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bladesman Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Good on Veloso and Moutinho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Rafinha, Veloso and Moutinho are irl linked with clubs way bigger than West Ham. I don't know what you might have achieved with them in the meantime, but as it is now, such move would be entirely unrealistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukekarts Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 As everyone else has said, Moutinho and Veloso are more ambitious than West Ham. If they were to join the Premiership, they're the kind of players who would go to the big 4, or potentially Man City or Spurs. I cannot see anyone, even Villa, having much luck in attracting them. They're both at a CL level club who regularly challenge for titles, whatever way you look at it, it will be a backwards step/big gamble to move to a Premiership club in decline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I think the thread title neatly answered the thread's question to be honest! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jatravartids Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 They will come to bigger premiership clubs. I sign Veloso at the start of the game as Liverpool. Man City usually buy Moutinho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Ritchie Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I don't think you'd see Moutinho or Veloso signing for West Ham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
postal postie Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 as far as i can see moutinho and veloso are quality youngsters. so even if your current club is no better than the interested club, if you know that clubs that are bigger than that interested club are also interested your going to turn them down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
postal postie Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 They will come to bigger premiership clubs. I sign Veloso at the start of the game as Liverpool. Man City usually buy Moutinho. dont you have enough defensive midfielders at liverpool? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedclough Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 West Ham have never had any quality players ever, so don't expect any to come now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
postal postie Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 West Ham have never had any quality players ever, so don't expect any to come now! prepare for west ham fans to come on here saying that whestham won the world cup for england!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 They had Florin Răducioiu once Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedclough Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Remember when they bought them two Carlos-kick-a-ball's from Argentina, who barely played. What ever happened to those jokers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Remember when they bought them two Carlos-kick-a-ball's from Argentina, who barely played. What ever happened to those jokers! They didn't buy them, Joorabchian, their agent/owner told them to play for West Ham as a bribe so he could buy the club. That's why they're in all this litigation trouble now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedclough Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I know! That's kind of the angle I was aiming at, but thanks for making it explicit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I know! That's kind of the angle I was aiming at, but thanks for making it explicit! Ah, I thought you were arguing in favour of West Ham's pulling power Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooterman Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I find it very strange that some players, hardly high-profile superstarts, such as Miguel Veloso and Joao Moutinho of Sporting CP, or Rafinha of Schalke, would not even consider joining a top half Premier League side, namely West Ham, for maximum wages!You might justify this by suggesting that Sporting CP play Champions League football regularly, but realistically, I can't see a Sporting player rejecting a lucrative offer from a Premier League club. Am I the only one who thinks that way? Everton tried to sign Moutinho IRL the summer, no way he said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backpackant Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 You probably nailed it in your OP. CL clubs have bigger reps than non-CL clubs. Even then, West Ham's rep will grow so slowly it'll be hard to attract the very best players. At least if the reps on previous FMs is anything to go by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters76 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I don't think you'd see Moutinho or Veloso signing for West Ham. Right, only crappy players like Tevez and Macherano would ever consider playing for West Ham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jatravartids Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 dont you have enough defensive midfielders at liverpool? You can never have too many midfielders. I play him as the attack minded MC in a 4-5-1 formation, Mascherano as DM, Gerrard (injured for 5 months!)/Alonso as the other MC with Riera and Babel as AML and AMR. Seems to work well in that position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Like many people have already said, Sporting are a team that pretty much every year are in the Champions League, this means that players will want to stay there rather than moving to a team that doesn't play Champions League football. Also, Sporting quite often win trophies which players like and at a lower team (in your case West Ham) they have less chance of winning trophies, and therefore this influences their decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Right, only crappy players like Tevez and Macherano would ever consider playing for West Ham. We all know that there was something dodgy about that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backpackant Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Right, only crappy players like Tevez and Macherano would ever consider playing for West Ham. Back then they had a sudden boost in rep thanks to the Icelandic million(billion?)naire taking over and the promise of more to come. They were on the up, but even with those players they failed miserably and nearly got relegated. Then they both players left as fast as their little legs would carry them. Would they have stayed if the Hammers qualified for the CL? Who knows? Probably not if Man U and Liverpool were the clubs coming for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backpackant Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 We all know that there was something dodgy about that... I think SI would find it hard to programme that level of corruption into the game. Besides, they've always said that things like bungs, tapping up and - in the case of Tevez/Mascherano - amoral agents will not feature as they are not part of football in the official sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I think SI would find it hard to programme that level of corruption into the game. Besides, they've always said that things like bungs, tapping up and - in the case of Tevez/Mascherano - amoral agents will not feature as they are not part of football in the official sense. Yeh, I know this mate and totally agree with SI for not implementing these features into the game. I was just stating to Butters76 that Mascherano and Tevez were an unique case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotku Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 But would either of these players sign for West Ham in the game if they were challenging for the Premiership and qualifing for European competitions?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 But would either of these players sign for West Ham in the game if they were challenging for the Premiership and qualifing for European competitions?? Not sure, only if Liverpool and Man Utd were/are doing worse then West Ham, then you have a chance that they would consider it (does any of them have West Ham as favorite club?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters76 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Point is they both agreed to play for West Ham. The dodgy part was between Wesh-Ham MSI and the agent. If the players didn't agree to play for Wesh-Ham there would be no deal no matter how corrupt the agent was and the controversy over that deal. That said, I'm pretty sure West Ham would be able to sign Veloso in game, but it would have to be at the right time. Player unhappy at the club, hates his current manager or so on. You wouldn't be able to sign him when he is happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backpackant Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Point is they both agreed to play for West Ham. The dodgy part was between Wesh-Ham MSI and the agent.If the players didn't agree to play for Wesh-Ham there would be no deal no matter how corrupt the agent was and the controversy over that deal. I'm sure the agent promised them that this was a stepping stone. Of course, I have no evidence for this, only that no other big names joined. Plus, these two had only just come onto the scene and were largley "potential" buys. Don't forget ManU and Liverpool both turned them down originally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee50_11 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 West Ham are rubbish --> always have been and always will be. Sorry. this i agree with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jams1234 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 After Mascherano do you really think that any promising player with offers from bigger clubs will ever join West Spam? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_man Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I don't think you'd see Moutinho or Veloso signing for West Ham. Moutinho wanted to come to Everton but then Everton are bigger than west ham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee50_11 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Moutinho wanted to come to Everton but then Everton are bigger than west ham much much bigger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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