MBarbaric Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Completely redone database for FM16 to mimic the football and political world as it was until the destruction of Berlin Wall. DOWNLOAD LINKhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3ry3IGcz3gMeG1jTURZZVdfZm8/view?usp=sharingjoin the Iron Curtain group on tifo project Fear the mighty Soviet Union team, see what would happen if Luka Modric, Mario Mandzukic, Branislav Ivanovic, Stevan Jovetic, Edin Dzeko and Miralem Pjanic would play in the same team the european brasil - Yugoslavia. Try to win the Workers' Union Cup playing behind Berlin Wall in East Germany or simply take over any western nation and show the commies where is their place. Iron Curtain database fully recreates the footballing world for anyone nostalgic about 3 foreign players rule which is reimplemented throughout Europe. Western clubs won't replenish their squads with cheap Yugoslavs, Czechoslovaks, Pollocks, Hungarians... as they are all making their leagues national priority and they won't let enyone out of country until they are close to their 30's in search for football glory and communist superiority over decadent west. Recreate legendary rivalries with eastern european countries in all international tournaments from u19, through World Cup and Olympic games. DB specifics: nations added: - Soviet Union - Yugoslavia - Czechoslovakia - East Germany Leagues added: - Soviet down to 2nd level - Yugoslav down to 6th tier - Czechoslovak to 3rd level - East German to 3rd level Cups added: - UEFA Cup Winners' Cup - Soviet Cup - Kup Maršala Tita - Československy pohar vo futbole - Incredibly long named eastern germany cup of workers' unions many, many more in more than 100k changes to original DB include all eastern european players under age of 28 back to their original clubs bolstering domestic competitions. here is the link to flags folder which will allow you to see the countries on map as in screenshots bellow. i am not sure if it works with default skin, but it works flawlessly with flut skin. it is basically what is provided there but redone so it shows map as it was till 1991. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3ry3IGcz3gMcHBvUlBXNktDV0E join the Iron Curtain group on tifo project Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 If you need someone datachecking, let me know. Would be a good reason to buy the game actually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 finally, love it ") Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
levigu Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Really enjoyed previous versions of this, looking forward to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dllu Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Hungary will rise again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Will download this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Time to pick up Dynamo Dresden again. Especially after the trip I made to the place this summer. Which makes me wonder, those new shiny Western German stadiums don't really fit in Eastern Germany, do they. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 Time to pick up Dynamo Dresden again. Especially after the trip I made to the place this summer.Which makes me wonder, those new shiny Western German stadiums don't really fit in Eastern Germany, do they. makes me wonder why do you think our eastern german friends couldn't have nice and shiny stadiums? what really doesn't fit are the names such as Glücksgas-Stadion where beloved Dynmo plays. But that is why in the game it is called Rudolf Harbig Stadion ;D few screenshots from ongoing test save [/img] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
levigu Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Looking very good! Will the file also feature changed club/city names (Chemnitz > Karl-Marx-Stadt, Podgorica > Titograd...)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Looking very good! Will the file also feature changed club/city names (Chemnitz > Karl-Marx-Stadt, Podgorica > Titograd...)? yes as always, but be aware if yu use the susie add on for real names it will overwrite original database names. to be honest, that is the biggest problem atm. database is fully done and tested to 2030 with all european nations loaded and no crashes. now it is these small details to be dealt with such as no sugar daddy's, no consortium takeovers and such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burkina2008 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Where did you get the pack for the images of the cities if I may ask Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Where did you get the pack for the images of the cities if I may ask it is fabulus flut skin from sourtitout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 makes me wonder why do you think our eastern german friends couldn't have nice and shiny stadiums? what really doesn't fit are the names such as Glücksgas-Stadion where beloved Dynmo plays. But that is why in the game it is called Rudolf Harbig Stadion ;D After seeing the Strahov stadium in Prague it fits so much better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 creeps, i never heard about it and after i've checked that... they could play all league fixtures at the same time in that place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 OK, available for download from the link in OP. enjoy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
levigu Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Are there some teams missing from the Soviet structure? I can't find eg, Dinamo Minsk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 Are there some teams missing from the Soviet structure? I can't find eg, Dinamo Minsk. indeed, seems minsk slipped somewhere down the structure. however it should get up the divisions in few seasons. you can open the soviet file in editor and change minsk for some other team higher in the structure. here is a great guide on how to do it without editor http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/151469-Guide-EDT-DDT-and-LNC-Files check swap teams section Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidelitywars Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Does anyone know if there's a file around consisting of just the old Soviet league structure? Really fancy a file as Dinamo Tbilisi but the modern-day Georgian league just isn't strong enough to make it worthwhile. Ideally without players returned to their original clubs (that said, that does make for an interesting database - Dinamo Zagreb's midfield must be an embarrassment of riches with Modric, Kovacic, Badelj, Halilovic, Brozovic, Coric, Kranjcar etc). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 have you edited the european cup, so only the national champions can take PART IN THE EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS CUP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 have you edited the european cup, so only the national champions can take PART IN THE EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS CUP? yes, the euro cups are set as per original formats. onlz champions in the champions cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Does anyone know if there's a file around consisting of just the old Soviet league structure? Really fancy a file as Dinamo Tbilisi but the modern-day Georgian league just isn't strong enough to make it worthwhile. Ideally without players returned to their original clubs (that said, that does make for an interesting database - Dinamo Zagreb's midfield must be an embarrassment of riches with Modric, Kovacic, Badelj, Halilovic, Brozovic, Coric, Kranjcar etc). kranjcar and modric aren't at dinamo as they are already above 28 yrs (players under 28 weren't allowed to move out of country) so i've left them at their clubs Real and Dinamo Kiev. but yes, they have really good team. just as Partizan. however they aren't unbeatable and i've seen them both finish below 5th place first season. thing is that all the clubs got their players back so league is really competitive. also, guess who is playing for Lodz in Poland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidelitywars Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 kranjcar and modric aren't at dinamo as they are already above 28 yrs (players under 28 weren't allowed to move out of country) so i've left them at their clubs Real and Dinamo Kiev. but yes, they have really good team. just as Partizan. however they aren't unbeatable and i've seen them both finish below 5th place first season. thing is that all the clubs got their players back so league is really competitive. also, guess who is playing for Lodz in Poland Ah of course. Yeah, Partizan has produced plenty of quality players - a team with Nastasic, Markovic, Jovetic, Ljajic, Tosic, Mitrovic (and maybe Savic?) must be pretty formidable. So are players under 28 highly unlikely to move out of their home nation/union? Surely all the elite clubs from the west are interested in Lewandowski, Oblak, Hamsik, Kovacic, Mandzukic etc and their original clubs will struggle to hold onto them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidelitywars Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 *Just realised that Tosic is 28 so wouldn't be at Partizan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 Ah of course. Yeah, Partizan has produced plenty of quality players - a team with Nastasic, Markovic, Jovetic, Ljajic, Tosic, Mitrovic (and maybe Savic?) must be pretty formidable. So are players under 28 highly unlikely to move out of their home nation/union? Surely all the elite clubs from the west are interested in Lewandowski, Oblak, Hamsik, Kovacic, Mandzukic etc and their original clubs will struggle to hold onto them? not sure about tosic, but mandzukic is 29 so he is safely at juventus. hamsik aswell at napoli. however, teams don't struggle too much as all top leagues can't have more than 3 foreigners so they are very picky. besides, database is setup in a way that eastern european players are off the mark till they get of certain age (at least 28). it doesn't mean they never get poached by western clubs, but it is very rarely. usually they are targeted by soviet union clubs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Oh I just saw that Israel is stillin the european cup!! Could you fix that? Another issue is, that the european champions cup has the wrong format. Is has group stages but in reallife it as only a knock out. Could ou do the same format as for the cup winners cup`? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 well, as 30 years passed since the time that the db tries to resemble there were quite a few choices to make. some clubs that were very strong before 90's today don't even exist or they fell very deep into their league system. obviously cups have changed and i tried to make sense out of it, at least to myself. therefore i had to make some compromises. there was no use to put torpedo moscow in top soviet division just based on old glory as they don't have the squad to remain there. champions cup retained it's core idea of only champions compeeting but i find league format of 16 teams (after two rounds of knockout) quite interesting and plausible given the development of football. therefore i've decided to go with that type of competition while uefa cup and cup winners' cup remained plain cups. however, if you want it changed it is fairly simple adjustment you can do yourself in continental cups file. if you need any help i can assist you. as far as israel goes, i see no harm of having israel compeeting in champions cup and, again, given the development in football and the fact they indeed compete in european competitions, i don't plan to change that. it is quite easily removed in same file if you wish so, but it would be a bit more complicated to rebuild middle east continental competitions to include then there. same as turkmenistan and other non european ex soviet republics which are still present in database and compete in their confederations. i never play in asia and deemed it too much hassle for no real gain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidelitywars Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Apologies for the bombardment of questions but sadly, i'm not realistically going to get any time to play FM this side of xmas so am doing my research for when i download after the festive period! So, doesn't the 3 foreigners rule cause chaos for all western European sides (except Athletic Club)? Surely it'll leave scores of good players dormant unless something's changed which will see in-their-prime South Americans returning to their home continent etc, though presumably many will receive residency citizenship as the game recognises the restrictions of the regulations? Still, regardless of the complexities implementing this, it's a fascinating project and must've taken hours of work. Can't wait to try and lead a Mkhitaryan-inspired Pyunik or revive the stagnant promise of Georgia's technicians (Kenia, Chanturia, Ananidze etc) and inspire Dinamo Tbilisi to Soviet glory... Oh and lastly, will these files be compatible with my own DB changes to several players' attributes (i've not changed any league structures or club data)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 regarding 3 foreigners rule in europe... well, it forces s to search for their nationals but as major part of them are already at their original clubs (lukaku is at anderlecht, martial at monaco, depay at ajax ) so it isn't such chaos but it takes two transfer windows to settle but it is nothing major. you will see players shifting back to their countries, at least the best of them and quality of national leagues improving. ideally, you shouldn't use the database with any other add on except those provided. however you could try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidelitywars Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Ah cool - i didn't realise that non-Eastern Europeans were recalled to their formative clubs too - answers my question about what happens to players like Pjanic and Rakitic, who were not formed in the nations they represent. Really excited to get chance to download and play this structure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidelitywars Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Finally had chance to download and run this last night - good work! Just a couple of things - is there a way to recover the missing seasons of player histories? Seems like plenty of players moved in the DB have significant chunks of their histories missing (eg Pjanic, who surprisingly is at FK Sarajevo, along with Neven Subotic). The league make-up of the Soviet League is a little surprising too - I know Dinamo Tbilisi aren't of a standard to compete with their current squad (though easily could with the sort of creative repatriation that has seen Levan Kenia on their books) but surely the club's history warrants a place in the top division (4th most successful team in Soviet era)? This however seems symptomatic of the issues with the Soviet structure - the level of research for the smaller republics is nowhere near as detailed as that for Ukraine/Russia/Belarus in the default FM database, though surely Armenia (especially as Pyunik could have Mkhitaryan, Manucharyan, Ghazaryan and Mkrtchyan in their squad), Georgia and probably Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan should really be represented in the Top League but data issues mean that they'd struggle to compete. Still, this is pretty straightforward to deal with in the editor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 regarding missing seasons... only if you go player by player. it would take a lot of time doing it and for little gain in my opinion so i concentrated on getting the db done. regarding soviet league... well, i ain't expert on soviet football so couldn't dwell on what if scenarios as i could in Yugoslavia where i know players and know where they come from so i could also imagine my own plausible story behind Pjanic and Subotic at Sarajevo i.e. Sadly for Soviet Union I couldn't do such thing as it would need someone who is really more knowledgable to stick right players to right clubs so i mostly stuck with what i know. which is little. originally i wanted to do deeper soviet league (as are all otehr leagues) but i guess it will have to wait for next year as doing regional stuff there would be a real nightmare. however, lot of it is left to personal belief (which clubs deserves a place in top league)that's why i've left the instructions little bit above in the thread on how to do it without editor so you can easily switch clubs around if you wish so. if you want to take care of players and put them in right place please do so, let me know and i can update other databases so the game won't break (it has to be done in all 6 files but if you do it in one i can update others easily). cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidelitywars Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Cool - thanks for the offer; i'm a bit of a novice when it comes to custom leagues/editing. I'm certainly hoping to make a few updates during the festive period but unsurprisingly, time will be an issue. Off the top of my head, i'd be looking to move the following: Dinamo Tbilisi: Jano Ananidze, Murtaz Daushvili, Giorgi Makaridze, Mate Vatsadze (as well as filing in a few of the blanks for promising current players like Mate Tsintsadze and Otar Kakabadze) Pyunik Yerevan: Henrikh Mkhitaryan, Edgar Manucharyan, Karlen Mkrtchyan, Gevorg Ghazaryan Skonto Riga: Valerijs Sabala, Maris Verpakovskis, Janis Ikaunieks, Aleksandrs Cauna Flora Tallinn: Ragnar Klavan, Enar Jaager, Joel Lindpere, Sander Puri, Karol Mets (and possibly give Rauno Sappinen a CA of around 90-100 and maybe -7/-65 PA). Then there's the difficult question of the Uzbek/Kazakh data. I'd perhaps look to move Alexander Genynrikh and Odil Ahmedov back to Paxtakor and give their young internationals (Jamsid Isqanderov, Igor Sergeev and Egor Krimets) a little CA/PA boost. Isqanderov, like Islamkhan in Kazakhstan is a genuinely talented young midfield playmaker. In all honesty, even with changes, i'm unsure as to whether the above clubs (with the probable exception of Pyunik) could realistically compete with the Russians/Ukrainian clubs. Still, i'd place both Tbilisi and Yerevan in the top league, with the other 3 in the next tier down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 i wouldn't touch the default skills but if you do the update on players PM me so i can update the db. happy gaming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 depay at ajax Ehh? Supposed to be PSV! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidelitywars Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 i wouldn't touch the default skills but if you do the update on players PM me so i can update the db. happy gaming That's great - shall do. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendof88 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Quick question. I notice when you select your nation at the start and the country team profile, the flag for the Soviet Union remains the Russia flag. Does anywhere know how to alter the flags to show the old style Soviet flag? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted February 14, 2016 Author Share Posted February 14, 2016 there is graphics pack with the database. if you installed it correctly it should show all right flags. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dllu Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Quick question. I notice when you select your nation at the start and the country team profile, the flag for the Soviet Union remains the Russia flag. Does anywhere know how to alter the flags to show the old style Soviet flag? That only affects the start screen. If you use the relevant graphics pack, the old flags should be displayed in-game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilgreb Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I really love this idea, but how does the foreigner thing work for the Yugoslav and Soviet teams? I see that Kranjcar is not listes as fgn at Dinamo Kiev, and neither is Hubocan at Dinamo Moscow (those are just two examples). Is this right? Another thing: I notice that some of the DDR teams are filled up with "grey" players with English sounding names. How will this work when regens are coming through? Will the DDR national team be full of players with English names? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 I really love this idea, but how does the foreigner thing work for the Yugoslav and Soviet teams? I see that Kranjcar is not listes as fgn at Dinamo Kiev, and neither is Hubocan at Dinamo Moscow (those are just two examples). Is this right? each player has to reside in country (yug, USSR, or any other for that matter) for some years. i've set all countries behind iron curtain to 8 years (i think). so if kraanjcar, hubocan or whoever played (reside) in country for that amount he will get the nationality. so in short, yes, it is ment to be for those players mentioned Another thing: I notice that some of the DDR teams are filled up with "grey" players with English sounding names. How will this work when regens are coming through? Will the DDR national team be full of players with English names? unfortunatelly, game is set up in a way that countries get some default names/surnames. this is altered with surnames and names that are in database. so all names with east getrman nationality (kroos i.e.) will be "adopted" by database and recycled in the game. however, as game has some names on default those will also appear. that is why those inserted in database (kroos) might mix with the default ones. reason why you see english names is because the game is picking up default names from original country that DDR has been built upon which is Gibraltar - hence english names. the occurance will depend on how many ddr players you have loaded, however. more leagues, more clubs, means also more proper names in future. i don't know what is the underlying dynamics of this so i am not sure what to do about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilgreb Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Thank you for your answer! What I meant by my first question, however, is that players like Kranjcar is not listed as FGN in my game, even though I think he should be (he hasn't been at Dinamo Kiev for 8 years!). When I look at the rules for the Soviet league it says that no teams can play more than 3 foreign players, but when I look at the squads no teams seem to have any players listed as FGN, not even the Africans, Brazilians, etc. So I was just a little bit confused. EDIT: Now I get it - you have to go to the squad registration screen to see it (because it's not a limit of 3 foreigners per match, but per squad). Great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 that is because you have squad registration and once player is registered it is fine. if you go to registration screen for a team you will see the foreigners and they will have FRG flag. it is more an issue with UI than anything. but i agree, players should have FRG flag regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilgreb Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 What happened here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted February 27, 2016 Author Share Posted February 27, 2016 a bug that is in database from last year i am afraid. i remember seeing it but totally forgot to change it. do you know which award it should be? something for champions league? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sankalan Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 So basically you Disabled Gibraltar to enable DDR? Why not use one of the 5 Yugoslavian nations instead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted February 27, 2016 Author Share Posted February 27, 2016 So basically you Disabled Gibraltar to enable DDR? Why not use one of the 5 Yugoslavian nations instead? yes to first question. there would be no advantage to use any of 5 nations from yug. besides, i would need to disable Gibraltar in one or other way as they didn't exist in football world back in iron curtain times. so this seemed convenient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilgreb Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 a bug that is in database from last year i am afraid. i remember seeing it but totally forgot to change it. do you know which award it should be? something for champions league? It seems to be a European Young Player of the Year award (not Golden Boy). There's the same problem with Player and Referee of the Year (if you look at past winners all of them are Slovakian). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted February 27, 2016 Author Share Posted February 27, 2016 thanks, hopefully i'll remember this next year and fix it finally. hope it doesn't ruin the game too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilgreb Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 No big deal; just a bit annoying. But I can surely fix this in the editor myself? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 yes you just have to open the db, go to awards part and search for the name of award and then change it. you'd need to do that on all 6 files, though. and start a new game. however, i just thought there might be much easier way. there are those files that change the names of competitions, clubs and also names of awards. open it with text editor and change there. i believe this doesn't need the restart to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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