davo80 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 has the update tp 14.1.1 had any effect to anybody yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave byrd Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Yeah seem to have more possession. Also, my AMR has turned into a god. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffeeeee Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Yep, Terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin1337 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 ! doesnt work anymore for me too :< Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Only just started with Southampton and had a frustrating first two games. The Liverpool game was very unfortunate as i had a red card after 20 mins. It seams the football is good to watch right up to the 18 yard box. I will see how the next 5 games pan out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSevensM75 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 My 5-3-2 hybrid system fell to bits with the latest update BUT then I changed the BPD from stopper to cover and the problem has been fixed. It may be the same thing you need to do on this one. I was finding the opposition getting in behind my defence too often, usually from simple over the top passes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blmodesto01 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Not Worked for me after update :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boydy9 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Not worked for me at all since the update, but the framework is there so I'm going to use it and tweak more to how I want to play. Thanks for tactic again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrimy1888 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Not working for me anymore either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete62 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Reckon it would work with 3 ST ? just that I have 4 good strikers (well good for the Belorus Highest League anyway). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slakey Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Still going good for me, started a new career at FC Groningen, finished 2nd, missing out on 1st by 1 point. And for Groningen that's quite an achievement. Only thing letting me down is the board. One thing I have noticed, my players foul a lot so that may need tweaking a little bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamogl Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 slakey, are you on the new patch or not? Other comments suggest that it doesn't work well anymore on the new patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Works brilliantly on 14.2, make sure you change the central CB to cover, and powerful WBs are a must! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 me thinks this is working well on 14.2.0 for me. how about for you guys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Very under-rated, tactic been with me for past 3 seasons. My best result with clean sheet so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamogl Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 Thanks, good to hear that it's still in use at least by some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turmania Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I have tweaked some parts of this tactic, results and game play are awesome but still testing, will let you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamogl Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 I have tweaked some parts of this tactic, results and game play are awesome but still testing, will let you know. Please do. I'm interested in hearing which tweaks worked best for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainblargh Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Would you mind sharing what tweaks you've made in response to the updates? Recently I seem to be having a lot more trouble with long balls over the top/ over exuberant defenders rushing out to tackle and creating loads of space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turmania Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Please do. I'm interested in hearing which tweaks worked best for you. My first tweak attempt resulted in over tweaking and completely messed it up started over again today. this time I'm trying to move the center defender in the middle to DM but have to find a good working relation with him and defenders and cental midfielders. will let you guys know on sunday evening if good or bad. or you can try to tweak it up from where i let go as this patch started to annoy me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshWhite92 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 having an amazing season with dortmund , currently in january with Dortmund highlights of my season include beating Bayern away 4-1 , then at home 3-0 beating Barcelona away 2-1 , and winning at home 3-2 beating PSG away 4-1 , then drawing 1-1 at home , not sure what happened there in Bundesliga , played 20 , won 17 drew 2 lost 1 Lewandowski has 28 goals in 31 appearances reus won world player of the year , with 26 appearances 14 goals and 17 assists amazing tactic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Please do. I'm interested in hearing which tweaks worked best for you. I have tried to make central dc to cover but seems to decrease his ratings. I have also tried lone str in other roles like advanced forward and complete forward, still scores but seems to decrease my inside forwards ratings and scoring. Now i have lone striker on deep lying forward but attacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turmania Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I moved the BPD to Sweeper into defend. Took off, Offside Trap and Push Higher Up. Put on Much Higher Defensive Line. Rest is the same. Testing it with Liverpool now, just made some back up transfers. I'm training Agger and Toure to play in that Sweeper Role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamogl Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 Thanks all for the feedback. A much higher d line without an offside trap can only work if you have really fast defenders. Apart from that I like the idea of the 'reverse half-back' (kind of) that I set up in this tactic. It's an aggressive defender that steps OUT of the d-line when not in possession, harassing opponents between the lines. When in possession, he's back in the d-line allowing the DCs to spread wide. This works great with the attacking wingbacks here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turmania Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Scrap that, sweeper and Libero system just didnt work out, I tried to move the central defender one slot up or down but for overall balance 3 defenders is the better option. i I don't want to touch the wing backs as they are the only reason why İ love this tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamogl Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 I don't want to touch the wing backs as they are the only reason why İ love this tactic. Influential, offensive wingbacks is something I'm very fond of, so I tend to build tactics around them. I put in some effort to set the defense right, as that can be a problem with attacking wingbacks, obviously. But if you find the right balance, it's a joy to watch. During the testing phase I found that 3 DCs work best, and far better than pulling up the middle DC into DM position. And making him an aggressive stopper type of player, it's kind of a reverse half-back. I found that very neat and it works well for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tecky Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Hi, tested the original tactic using Dortmund and won the Bundesliga in the first season, although had too many draws! Managed to pip Gladbach by 3 points as it went down the wire to the last game of the season. Was absolutely fantastic in the first 4 games of the season, and then it went all wrong! Went winless in the league for 8 matches (4 draws and 4 losses). While defence was strong and conceding very little, I just couldn't find the net. Worse thing is got knocked out of the Champions League in the process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTinkerMan Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Like most I've noticed this tactic doesn't really suit the new update. Saying that, it still gets good results at home but it really isn't a tactic to use away from home. I've made a few tweaks so hoping to grind out some results as I like the set up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwy Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 ive changed the DLF to AF and the lef tIF took go wide off won 9 on trot since couldn't score before but 29 for 6 against in 9 games seems to be going fine now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 At home I have found changing the DLP to AP has increased the numbers of goals we are scoring (Southampton second season). I have also changed the WB to CWB to good effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwy Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 ive added keep possession just beat arsenal away 5-0 man u at home 6-0 on fire at mo (leeds fourth season) negrado(1mil bargain) 25 goals 10 games left 6pts of top 3rd place and fa cup semi to come Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 At home I have found changing the DLP to AP has increased the numbers of goals we are scoring (Southampton second season). I have also changed the WB to CWB to good effect. HI, does it make sense or any form of effectiveness to make them CWB since you have both IF upfront already. Do you need more agressiveness on the defensive third and risk losing the defensive side of a wb. how much of a good effect and improvement does it give you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamogl Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 Great results screwy, I should test adding the keep possession instruction. Jaskiew, in my experience wingback works best. You need them to be attacking, though. Of course you have two IF upfront, but without the wingbacks there's a lack of width. That's the most important task of the wingbacks in the attacking phase: providing width, since the wingers are cutting inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARNESDON Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Season one i got to Jpt Final and came 5th with Mk Dons despite selling over a million quids worth of player and getting the wage bill down to 42k from 53k. Season two was awful once the new patch arrived, although i did not help myself with expectations and lowering the wage budget down to 35k and making another 600k. Season 3 i changed the Centre Cb from stopper to whatever it was advised to above by someone, i also brought in a wingback's with key skills as stated in this thread meaning i am have 40 points and am top of League 1 with the next team only on 29 points after i won 13 of the first 14 games and drew the other. I also made sure the Centre Cb is a good passer, and the other two were quite quick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
breaker Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I'm getting good results with Arsenal. Have only played 7 matches with it however; 7-1 Liverpool 2-0 Schalke 5-0 Real Madrid The team still isn't fluid with formation, closing down or creative freedom so all in all I think it's working extremely well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Great results screwy, I should test adding the keep possession instruction.Jaskiew, in my experience wingback works best. You need them to be attacking, though. Of course you have two IF upfront, but without the wingbacks there's a lack of width. That's the most important task of the wingbacks in the attacking phase: providing width, since the wingers are cutting inside. I know that, the tactic is using wingbacks to start with. I am asking why does he need to change them to CWB - Complete Wing back and risk not defending while having the CWB to compete with the IF in their opponent's defensive third, hogging 2 winger like players there and leaving the back exposed. u get me? I pushed up the center CB to a DM position but made him a halfback, he seems to still function as a stopper/centerback while seems to help close the gab on alot of lone strikers breaking and help the midfield control better. players i play in this position are all DC/DMC/MC since i have 3 of them in my first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turmania Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I know that, the tactic is using wingbacks to start with. I am asking why does he need to change them to CWB - Complete Wing back and risk not defending while having the CWB to compete with the IF in their opponent's defensive third, hogging 2 winger like players there and leaving the back exposed. u get me?I pushed up the center CB to a DM position but made him a halfback, he seems to still function as a stopper/centerback while seems to help close the gab on alot of lone strikers breaking and help the midfield control better. players i play in this position are all DC/DMC/MC since i have 3 of them in my first team. I did the same as you tried as I wanted to have more bodies in the midfield but when you switch back to 2 central defenders then you get problems on the wings, with 3 central defenders the right and left ones usually cover the wings but they dont when you switch to 2 central defenders. and , in the end the system doesnt work well that way. so its best to keep the 3 central defenders together and the 2 wingbacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I did the same as you tried as I wanted to have more bodies in the midfield but when you switch back to 2 central defenders then you get problems on the wings, with 3 central defenders the right and left ones usually cover the wings but they dont when you switch to 2 central defenders. and , in the end the system doesnt work well that way. so its best to keep the 3 central defenders together and the 2 wingbacks. What did you make your dmc? from what i observed here when i pushed up the central dc to dmc and made halfback with defend mentality, defence wise my wings doesnt seem to give much problems, he still plays very deeply back like dc but also stays ahead to cover the empty area behind the 2 mc, he's also able to cover the wingbacks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turmania Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 What did you make your dmc? from what i observed here when i pushed up the central dc to dmc and made halfback with defend mentality, defence wise my wings doesnt seem to give much problems, he still plays very deeply back like dc but also stays ahead to cover the empty area behind the 2 mc, he's also able to cover the wingbacks I moved the ball playing defender to dm position tested out in all roles, and then moved himto sweeper and libero role best one was halfback role but still when played 3 central defenders it was even better. against lesser oppositions halfback is good but when playing champs,leaugue semi final you cant risk it, against top teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwy Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 working fine for me since my changes finished 2nd in prem won fa cup ...... highlights of season stuffing man u 6-0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamianJB Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 mayby someone can upload a working version of this tactic ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 mayby someone can upload a working version of this tactic ? same one as 1st post by TS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaskiew Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I moved the ball playing defender to dm position tested out in all roles, and then moved himto sweeper and libero role best one was halfback role but still when played 3 central defenders it was even better. against lesser oppositions halfback is good but when playing champs,leaugue semi final you cant risk it, against top teams. Yes, I do agree with you on the lesser oppositions but most teams are lesser oppositions in my long term save so that's why i am finding it work ok, but 3 DC is definately the most stable of the lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARNESDON Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Worked a treat on my save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamogl Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 Glad it works for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul7875 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 have you done an update for this tactic to work in patch 14.2.2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamogl Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 No, I haven't made an update since the release. If there's popular demand I'll consider it, but right now I have no plans to develop the tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurfigueiraa Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Still working in patch 14.3 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamogl Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 As I haven't played in a whil I can't tell you, sorry. You'd have to try for yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARNESDON Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Seem's to still work in a new save I just started last week with the updated patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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