Icelander83 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 What penalty? It was a clear as day dive, don't you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Definite penalty but those things happen. We didn't create much and if the plan was to cling on at 1-0 then that's always a risk. Point away to Spurs isn't the end of the world. We were never going to stay 7 points clear until the end. It'll change again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 We had chances to add to that 1 goal, don't think the plan was to just sit back and hope we could hold them off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 They kept mentioning 2 shots on target all game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 We had a lot of nearly chances, but not many dangerous chances. Was a gorgeous run and ball to Welbeck for example, that was just a touch too far for him. Clear on goal if not. Overall it was deserved with a point, but very, very disappointing to "lose" like that at the death. Should clearly have had that penalty, but it's probably a non-talking point as usual, although this time it could actually have decided the point (usually we win anyway). Thought we sat too deep in the second half, and didn't take well enough advantage of the counters we got. Still, five points clear having played most of the tough teams isn't a bad situation. Obviously a rather big and important home match left... Well, several tough matches left, but I'd much rather be in our situation than City's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Sir Alex apparently saying the lino that didn't give the penner is the same one that gave the Drogba goal back in 2010. Someone doesn't like us getting the title, that's for sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 The fact that he knows exactly who the linesman are and the decisions they have made going back years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Phish Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 when are we getting clattenburg back? ****ing joke decisions recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Probably a pretty small community anyway, so he'd know them, and especially people who have been involved in losing us the title. When he knows the names of parents of players at various of our youth teams, I'd say he is capable of knowing the who's who of the reffing teams too. Has Clattenburg reffed much since the false charges btw? Absolutely horrible what has happened to him. Completely innocent and he seems to be kind of shunned of duties now. I've not seen him much at least (but then I don't watch every match). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macallan Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Didn't look like a penalty to me. Spurs got the point they deserved. What worries me most is that we are not capable to hit on the break anymore. And for me that is mostly down to poor decision making from Wellbeck and Valencia. They both have got enough pace to tear defences apart, yet they don't take on defences by just running into they vast spaces the opposition offers them...Valencia slows down our play while Wellbeck does run fast with ball but seems to be in a hurry most of the time, or sometimes he's too careless. Hopefully Rooney hits his form when he gets back from suspension. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 He's suspended now? I missed that. Wait, that can't be right, surely? At this date he needs 10 yellows to get a suspension. No way he's nearly got that many. First goal was on a counter btw. We're still deadly as F on them, just couldn't quite string together the right moves and passes today, apart from that one time. We had so many good break chances though. It's how football is now. With counters, counter-counters, and even counter-counter-counters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Phish Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 rooney isn't suspended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Spurs battered us and Ferguson decided three strikers on the pitch was a good idea. Substitutions were horrible, we're second best anyway so let's bring on two woefully out of form players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macallan Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Well then the biased commentator over here (belgian ppv tv rooting for every belgian player in PL, especially when playing agianst UTD) got it wrong. There's counters and there's counters you know. There were several occasions when Danny or Tony just had to push the ball x yards in front of them and then blast past their defender. But they don't do that that often anymore which I find a shame. Especially when a defnder picks up a yellow, you have to try everything to let him make that second bookable offense. Today was also the perfect moment to bring on Hernandez, with 20 mins to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pago Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Has Clattenburg reffed much since the false charges btw? Absolutely horrible what has happened to him. Completely innocent and he seems to be kind of shunned of duties now. I've not seen him much at least (but then I don't watch every match). I believe he did the forest-derby derby yesterday and someone on 5live phoned in the say how good he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Did a check and I see he's had some PL matches, though no high-profile ones, at least recently. Can't help the feeling he has been punished, whether wantonly or not, despite being innocent. Not the first and far from the last time the FA have shown poor behaviour though. Think Valencia has a back problem, which can explain why he isn't the same player for us right now. But I miss him going full tilt at fullbacks and banging in dangerous crosses. Hope he can get back to that. Why wasn't Nani on the bench today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Back five and Jones were excellent today - Welbeck was as good as last week. Still needs a good chance to fall his way, but his feet, control and movement are exceptional. Thought RVP did little other than score as his service was diabolical. Kagawa was terrible and was a bad choice, Rooney made a big difference when he came on. Actually couldn't believe Carrick was MOTM, thought he and Cleverley created very little and the possession stats tell you they had little control of the game. Needed Ando on instead of Toni as he continues to frustrate. Why was Nani not on the bench? Jones seemed to thrive with his support for Rafael on Bale. Give him a job and he does it very well (his defence on Wed was also good). Still prone to clumsiness and the odd crazy attack though but I can see a lot of promise for him in the Def Mid position from today. DDG again superb when stopping shots - needs to have more presence in his area though - Vidic getting in his way? Communicate then go clean through him if still there - be more certain! The great dane would've taken a defender out if it meant he got the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Did a check and I see he's had some PL matches, though no high-profile ones, at least recently. Can't help the feeling he has been punished, whether wantonly or not, despite being innocent. Not the first and far from the last time the FA have shown poor behaviour though. Hard to say though. It might that the FA are intentionally keeping him out of the limelight for a while, he might even have asked for it. Obviously possible that the FA are being idiots, granted De Gea could have done a multitude of things, he can't see Lennon from where he is and has the smallest of time frames to make a decision. The area he chose to punch towards is technically the right one. This. He did what he could do. There was no chance he could catch it but he has to come for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 What difference did Rooney make when he came on other than one run? Also its easy to say Schmeichel would have took a man out to get to the ball, Dembele and Vidic are both physically bigger than De Gea and were travelling faster. So I can't see how De Gea would be able to knock either out of the way. De Gea could have done a multitude of things, he can't see Lennon from where he is and has the smallest of time frames to make a decision. The area he chose to punch towards is technically the right one. Rooney actually touched the ball which Kagawa seemed incapable of. He also was fouled in the box, which on another day could have been given. Several passes and runs to set others through all of which Kagawa failed to do. Rooney showed what an 'in the hole' player should have been doing for the 60 mins Kagawa was on the pitch. DDG should have taken the players out and caught the ball, he needs to improve on this side of his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Was it a punch or a slap? Can't remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 DDG should have taken the players out and caught the ball, he needs to improve on this side of his game. This, Evra and Lennon are small and easy to plow through. Oh wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 Yeah, blow through Caulker and Vidic ? Taking the ****? he'd need to be driving a JCB ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 So where's he going then? Can't get to the ball enough to clear it properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 If you have momentum on your side, you can knock out of the way bigger players - he needs to bulk up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 OptaJoe @OptaJoe 25- Tottenham's goal came from their 25th and final shot of the game, Man Utd had only five shots in the whole match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Somebody like to tell me why we got 4 yellow cards when they were the ones diving and breaking up counter-attacks? Lennon dived twice FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 So where's he going then? Can't get to the ball enough to clear it properly. He stopped Caulker getting a header on goal, the defenders should be at least trying to mark the Spurs players to get the second ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren24 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Because we get all the decisions week in week out according to the rest of the PL, so ref's subconsciously give decisions to our opposing teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 That and we made 3-4 really bad tackles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 "United's next eight games are against Southampton (h), Fulham (a), Everton (h), QPR (a), Norwich (h), West Ham (a), Reading (h) and Sunderland (a), while City face QPR (a), Liverpool (h), Southampton (a), Chelsea (h), Villa (a), Wigan (h), Everton (a) and Newcastle (h). And then it's the derby at Old Trafford." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I know it won't happen but I'd expect nothing less than 24 points from those eight games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 And 15 for City please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I could live with that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren24 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I'll be reasonably happy if we are still FIVE points clear come the derby. Then regardless of the outcome we'd still be clear. Would be ideal if we could extend the gap again though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 It may have got lost in the giddiness but we didn't actually lose today. Way people are going on... Cheeky edit.. i hope.. Shut it Icelander. Wait, i was right. It is 5 points clear. So to sum up, 5 points clear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Granted he hasn't been great so far this season (injured a lot tho), but I thought Kagawa did pretty well today. Not as good a defender as Rooney of course, but he gave them problems offensively and IIRC was involved in the break that gave us the goal. Also had many other neat passing and movement. You can clearly see the man is talented. Can't wait till we figure out the best way to use him, and he becomes more comfortable with the pace and physicality of the PL. Why are people still discussing DDG on the goal as if he made some blunder? FFS. This is the same man that saved countless shots in the goal, and at least two CERTAIN goals. As Dempsey said, he was about to run away cheering; couldn't believe he saved that. If we want omniscience and 100% perfection from our players at every single moment, we should look at other players today than DDG, that's for damn sure. (That's not to say I think anybody played poorly, but that DDG was ****ing brilliant). As for Carrick MOTM, I think DDG deserved that, but I was very impressed with Carrick today too. He reads the game so well and positions himself so well, he just kills attacks singlehandedly. There was a wonderful example in the first half when Spurs had a counter and we were unbalanced, yet Carrick managed to force Lennon (I think) down into the channel and the counter died there. Brilliant play. He is a type of player that isn't very "visual", he isn't a Mata or Silva type, but he goes about his business very well and has been really good this season. Best season for us so far. Right now he is our most important midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Decent showing for the most part. Bit daft people banging on about shot stats - we were set up to counter from the off and led for three quarters of the match. Thought Rio, Carrick and obviously de Gea were very good today, any one of them worthy MotM. Jones also built well upon his good showing against West Ham. Welbeck looking terrific at times but the final ball still just won't come for him. Kagawa did alright again but still looks like a midfielder playing further forward than a genuine #10. Lots of nice touches and recycling of possession but the only real incision that I can recall was the overhit sweeping pass for RvP. Maybe the layback when he got the ball by the near post. Still looks very tentative at times, which isn't what you're looking from him really. Within two minutes of being on the right flank Cleverley conjured a better cross than Valencia has in months but was disappointing otherwise. Never really looks at home on the right and I was a bit disappointed he and Welbeck didn't switch more as he'd started brightly on the left. Thought Valencia was more at fault for their goal than Rafa - Rafa had just won the tackle and his momentum was taking him forward while Valencia was on his heels marking dead space. Shouldn't have made much of a difference though after that stonewall penner (which RvP would have surely taken {and not Panenka'd }). Shouldn't've been too surprised given Foy's performance though; seemed to pick up where the officials from the Liverpool game left off with the number of 50/50s given Spurs' way, freekicks given as soon as they hit the ground (with Lennon, Parker and in particular Defoe not needing a second invitation to do so), and some bizarre decisions on bookings - Rooney and Rafa booked for innocuous challenges near the half way line while Walker got off with a cynical challenge once he'd been dispossessed within striking distance of the Spurs goal, for example. And the Spurs fans have the gall to jeer the ref! That said, can't really be too unhappy with a point from the lane, particularly with the run of games coming up. A slightly more conservative target of 20 points from the next eight games would have us with 76 points (three shy of the Treble tally) with 9 to play, which should see us in a fantastic position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Kagawa had a brilliant pass in the build up to our goal. He was also at least twice completely unmarked in the area and just waiting for a pull back which didn't come (remember Welbeck completely missing him with one). Not saying he was amazing but he did quite well imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Yeah, didn't mean to be criticising him per se, just still not convinced as yet that he's the right player for us. I want my number 10 to be opening up defences rather than dictating the angles in front of them. Still drops a bit too deep at times but he did seem to be getting into more dangerous areas today. Just think that we might as well have played Cleverley in there as they do similar jobs, but Cleverley offers more defensively. That said today was a good example of a situation where I would be happier with him in that role, i.e. a tricky away tie with a more defensive partnership such as Jones/Carrick behind him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Somebody like to tell me why we got 4 yellow cards when they were the ones diving and breaking up counter-attacks? Lennon dived twice FFS. Persistent fouling. very impressed with Carrick today too. He reads the game so well and positions himself so well, he just kills attacks singlehandedly. There was a wonderful example in the first half when Spurs had a counter and we were unbalanced, yet Carrick managed to force Lennon (I think) down into the channel and the counter died there. Brilliant play. He is a type of player that isn't very "visual", he isn't a Mata or Silva type, but he goes about his business very well and has been really good this season. Best season for us so far. Right now he is our most important midfielder. He's an excellent player for sure. Probably your most vital, indispensable player along with RVP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Yeah Carrick is great, has really developed his game and is getting some well deserved recognition. Always thought England missed a trick with him (this is where Razzler pops in with his ABU Carrick stuff *safety wink* ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Persistent fouling. Carrick and Rooney were both booked for their only foul. Parker had three (same number as Rafael) without censure. Seems to be a developing habit among referees to keep cards in the pocket no matter what for the opening exchanges and then book every offence from the 70th onward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 Robert such a twonk Rafael, Evra, Rooney and Carrick were all booked for cynical fouls to stop play (maybe an argument for Evra's being clumsy, though he certainly knew what he was doing). Nothing at all to do with persistent fouling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Can't remember the Rafael one but I remember the other three well, they were cast iron bookings. Can't complain about them at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiovascular Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Rio had a stormer of a match, wouldn't have argued if he got man of the match either. Carrick was superb too and Jones was also pretty impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Can't remember the Rafael one but I remember the other three well, they were cast iron bookings. Can't complain about them at all You can when there's no equivalence as the Evra and Rooney ones followed cast iron bookings for Spurs that weren't given Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 No, then you can complain about the Spurs ones not being given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Robert such a twonk Rafael, Evra, Rooney and Carrick were all booked for cynical fouls to stop play (maybe an argument for Evra's being clumsy, though he certainly knew what he was doing). Nothing at all to do with persistent fouling. Wow, semantics etc. This is broadly what I meant by persistent fouling, which is why you got four guys booked. Maybe I used the wrong term but anyone who's not so boringly anal will get the point. I do not remember us diving at all though? Just Utd players fouling alot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Persistent fouling is in no way related to cynical fouls. Making it kind of hard to get the point when it's blatantly wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I know, I used the wrong phraseology. I was referring to UTD making persistently 'cynical' fouls when we were either running at you or on the counter etc. Not really a big deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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