football_master_94 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Why the low ratings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 In Brazil we typically give relatively low ratings, 10s and 9s are very rare. I don't think there is a specific reason for that, maybe we are just too demanding, but that happens with pretty much all serious media sources, it's very rare for example for the best player of the Brasileirão get more from Placar Magazine than 7 as the average rating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnabon09 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I would put Coentrao in there for Heinze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Bit off imo, they should have included the entire England team.... ....joking of course, they should have put Lahm and Ozil in there though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 Bit off imo, they should have included the entire England team........joking of course, they should have put Lahm and Ozil in there though. Both of them are in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Both of them are in the team. I meant for the first match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meitheisman Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 How do they give a rating to the coach? Results versus expectations given the player poll at his disposal? I don't think Germany's manager deserves a lot of credit for taking them to the 1/4 tbh, yeah the squad is young but I think it's much more impressive to reach the 1/4 for Ghana, Uruguay or Paraguay than for Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnabon09 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 germany were expected to reach the quarters before the tournament, but no-one expecting them to trash england 4-1. fully justified that he is the coach of the dream team imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suge Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Lugano is a shocking defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meitheisman Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 germany were expected to reach the quarters before the tournament, but no-one expecting them to trash england 4-1. fully justified that he is the coach of the dream team imo Uruguay wasn't even expected to get out of the group stage. I'm not saying that Germany's manager didn't do well, I'm saying that other teams had more impressive results. And the scoreline between Germany and England doesn't really reflect the game tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnabon09 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 uruguay were hardly impressive in their game versus south korea especially tactically. they should have killed the game earlier. they sat back and made it dangerous for themselves. germany impressed against england tactically. low knew what the specific weaknesses the england team had and attacked them (as said in his interview) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 They forgot Anthony Annan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnabon09 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Annan is great. I hope he doesnt leave Tippeligaen (the Norwegian league). Dont think Gilberto really excelled in the last matches either. Imo Ramires did better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meitheisman Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 uruguay were hardly impressive in their game versus south korea especially tactically. they should have killed the game earlier. they sat back and made it dangerous for themselves. germany impressed against england tactically. low knew what the specific weaknesses the england team had and attacked them (as said in his interview) How did Germany impress against England tactically? They had a two goal lead that they let disapear in a few minutes against a team that had only scored 2 goals in three full games, against much worse teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venn Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 ^^ whs Everything German is overrated, in football and elsewhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yovan Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Heinze is one of the worst footballers in the WC. I don't understand why a player that hoofs the ball all the time, even when he isn't under pressure is rated so high. Maybe it's because of his PASSION. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDEHLSON Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Eduardo Heinze? :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnabon09 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 How did Germany impress against England tactically? They had a two goal lead that they let disapear in a few minutes against a team that had only scored 2 goals in three full games, against much worse teams. Loew explained, "We put on a magnificent display against a very experienced England side. Tactically we were great. Until 2-0 we were in full control and we could have scored a third. "When they scored we had a very difficult period. But in the second half they had to come forward more and we were extremely successful in our counter-attacks. "I have to say that today we were dominant over long periods of the game. We were successful in having Klose lure John Terry out of the defence. "We knew their two midfielders Gerrard and Lampard get forward to support the attack, so we knew that there would be space. We wanted to force Terry to come out of defence to create spaces between the defenders." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yovan Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Eduardo Heinze? :confused: Eduardo has been great and he's done well for Braga too. Maybe Benfica should have signed him... I'm guessing you are a Benfica fan. Roberto has done well and I'm sure JJ loves his size, but he's unproven, just a good half season isn't enough IMO (although he always was a promising goalie). Btw, ironically, Portugal, a team known for their attacking players, have their strength at back. If only you guys could find a Rui Costa, that is the kind of player that is missing now. Oh, and although CR is more dominating, I still think Figo was a better footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDEHLSON Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Eduardo has been great and he's done well for Braga too. Maybe Benfica should have signed him... I'm guessing you are a Benfica fan. Roberto has done well and I'm sure JJ loves his size, but he's unproven, just a good half season isn't enough IMO (although he always was a promising goalie). Not really. I do like some of their players though. I agree that 8.5m was exagerated... LFV (president) is risking way too much. He is very confident in a good European campaign but if for some reason that fails, time to sell the whole squad for half price.. :c Eduardo has been performing above expectations just like Coentrao.. Some Benfica supporters are already questioning themselves about whether they should have signed Eduardo for 4m when they had the chance. Btw, ironically, Portugal, a team known for their attacking players, have their strength at back. If only you guys could find a Rui Costa, that is the kind of player that is missing now. Oh, and although CR is more dominating, I still think Figo was a better footballer. Too bad we used the 5th centre back (5th in the WC list because he is worse than some that were left out) as right back... (he is slow and can't attack at all...) Odd that after all those years together at Utd, Queiroz still doesn't know how to use Ronaldo... Basically tells him to get on the pitch with no real instructions... :c Plus he can't motivate players at all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnabon09 Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Odd that after all those years together at Utd, Queiroz still doesn't know how to use Ronaldo... Basically tells him to get on the pitch with no real instructions... :c Plus he can't motivate players at all... He used Beckham in the central midfield for Real too. And Yes - he cant motivate players at all. The guy has no leader-charisma Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yovan Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Not really. I do like some of their players though. I agree that 8.5m was exagerated... LFV (president) is risking way too much. He is very confident in a good European campaign but if for some reason that fails, time to sell the whole squad for half price.. :cEduardo has been performing above expectations just like Coentrao.. Some Benfica supporters are already questioning themselves about whether they should have signed Eduardo for 4m when they had the chance. Sorry then, but you are Portuguese, right? We need a Portuguese community and a census. There are many of you, but you guys are only active during big tournaments... Too bad we used the 5th centre back (5th in the WC list because he is worse than some that were left out) as right back... (he is slow and can't attack at all...)Odd that after all those years together at Utd, Queiroz still doesn't know how to use Ronaldo... Basically tells him to get on the pitch with no real instructions... :c Plus he can't motivate players at all... Well, I think I heard that PF was injured and Miguel is Miguel... although he was never going to have a chance against a mobile player like Villa.The problem with CR is that he should be better when he doesn't have the ball. I feel that he only plays when he gets the ball and that's not good. He gets the ball, does his thing and then disconnects. I hope he improves under Mourinho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Where's Honda!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troneas Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 i think steinwire (or whatever his name is) of germany merits a place in this last team in veron's place. i don't even understand why veron is in this team if he didn't play against greece and he came on as a substitute on the second half against mexico doing an OK job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 do you mean Schweinsteiger? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troneas Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 do you mean Schweinsteiger? ya, thats him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meitheisman Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Something wrong with the ratings too tbh, it's not like Tevez is by far the best player of the tournament so far yet his grade is far greater than anyone else's. Re: Low. Don't think that warrants a coach of the tournament award tbh but fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I can´t even take this serious. I mean, Veron....He plays like a granny on speed. And Heinze, you gotta be kidding me. He is such a bad defender, Germany will rip him apart. Where is Sneijder (2 goals, 2 amazing assists)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venn Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Heinze, amazingly enough, wasn't half bad this tournament. I'm still expecting his one huge mistake, but hopefully that won't come. I don't know what Veron is doing here though. Tevez? Don't know if by far, but yeah, he's been one of the best, he puts a lot of effort, even in defense. I am biased towards him though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Goal.com Team Of The Last 16: Eduardo S.Ramos - Juan – Heinze Robben - Boateng – Ramires - Oezil Mueller – Suarez - Tevez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipdrift Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 It's a bit weird they've got Robben in there... He had one match as a sub (where he did play well) and one match as a starter (where he also played well) but I would expect he should have played more to be in a Dream Team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Heinze Veron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 It's a bit weird they've got Robben in there... He had one match as a sub (where he did play well) and one match as a starter (where he also played well) but I would expect he should have played more to be in a Dream Team. Mind you, that team is based on the 1/8 finals only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 Mind you, that team is based on the 1/8 finals only. Yes, but these ratings are based on their performances up to the R16, it's just that players whose teams were eliminated in the group stage are not eligible for their dream team anymore. Marca's dream team of the R16 include Michel Bastos: I don't know what the Euros are seeing on him in his WC performances, some other guys too have praised him on this board, while I am yet to find any Brazilian who liked his performances. Obs: No bias from Marca on that team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meitheisman Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Might as well post the one on TF1 then. So far it is: -------------------------------Kingson (Ghana) Pantsil (Ghana) - John Mensah (Ghana) - Juan (Brazil) - Salcido (Mexico) -----------------Prince-Boateng (Ghana) - Sneijder (Holland) -----Muller (Germany) -------------------------------Robben (Holland) -------------------Asamoah Gyan (Ghana) - Villa (Spain) If you want to see the individual grades and the grades of the top players missing out: http://coupe-du-monde.tf1.fr/actu-coupe-du-monde/votre-meilleur-onze-5903540.html A bit biased too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Yes, but these ratings are based on their performances up to the R16, it's just that players whose teams were eliminated in the group stage are not eligible for their dream team anymore. I was talking about the Goal.com team that Micado posted, not the Globo team, because I thought that was the team Klipdrift was commenting on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Yeah, the goal.com was only about the R16 games, agreed Robben doesn't deserve a place in the team of the WC (yet) as he played not enough games. but Bastos I love it how the Dutch TV commentators every time bring up he was rejected at Feyenoord/Excelsior and now made it into the Brazilian team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I've not been a fan of Bastos. Just a typical Brazilian winger put at left back like Marcello, seems to be very greedy aswell always having long shots Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipdrift Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Yeah, I was commenting on the goal.com team. If it's only for that match it's obviously correct to have Robben in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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