[FM20] Ethnic Enclaves or exclaves?

[ranks39]

Hey everyone, I've been looking to do a new save but felt that it would be interesting to do a youth academy save with a club that produces intakes with different nationalities than the country that the club plays in.  For example, Croatia Berlin produces Croatians, although the club are based in Berlin and play in the German football system.  I also know that there are a number of Hungarian enclaves in Romania and Turkish ones in Germany, as well.  Aside from those and the obvious ones like Monaco does anyone know of any others?

Thanks in advance!

[Brother Ben]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_country

Not quite what you asked for but these sides will obviously produce regens of differing nationality to the league they play in

[couragewolf101]

F.C Andorra or EA Braganca comes to mind.

[Feliks]

I know that FC Lusitanos produces Portuguese regens in the Andorran league, and there's a number of clubs in the Swiss league system in Sangue Blu's league pack that produce other nationalities, including Croatian, Kosovan and Portuguese.

[Thebaker]

Caley Braves in scotland produce mostly french newgens. This is due to the owner setup rather than it being an ethnic club

[Waterish]

There’s Oriental Dragon, an amateur Portuguese team that produces mostly Chinese-Portuguese newgens. Also FC Romania in the English lower leagues.

[Blah_1123]

There's a few teams in the Swedish leagues who are formed by refugees from Iraq and Syria. Can't remember all of them but the names stand out pretty well. Think one is called Syrianska FC.

[Fosse]

Do CD Palestino in Chile produce Palestinian regens?

[ranks39]

Here's what I've found thus far, mostly from others around the career updates forum

Club	Based in	Produces
Croatia Berlin	Germany	Croatian
BSV Hurturkel	Germany	Turkish
Turkgucu Ataspor Munchen	Germany	Turkish
Inter Turkspor Kiel	Germany	Turkish
FC Elazig Spor Hamburg	Germany	Turkish
SV Turkspor Bremen Nord	Germany	Turkish
Turkspor Augsburg	Germany	Turkish
FC Assyria	England	Syrian*
Guru Nanak Gurdwara	England	Pakistan*
FC Khalsa	England	Indian*
AEK London	England	Greek*
St. Panteleimon	England	Greek*
Chape London	England	Brazilian*
Indian Gymkhana Club	England	Indian*
PFC Victoria London	England	Polish*
FC Polonia Boscombe	England	Polish*
FC Polonia	England	Polish*
London Samurai	England	Japanese*
SJ Global United	England	Brazilian*
Afrika	Iceland	Polish
NK Pajde Mohlin	Switzerland	Croatian
*Second Nationality EDIT with Pakistani second Nationality for Guru Nanak.

   

Edited June 2, 2020 by ranks39

[ranks39]

I think most of these are VERY DEEP in the structures of their national leagues.  I think that I'm going to do a save with London Samurai if I can find a database that includes the Middlesex County Premier Division.

EDIT - Verified in game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 2, 2020 by ranks39
Verification

[ranks39]

Updated with in-game verification of some English clubs above.

[Toin]

This is cool! Does anyone know which underlying youth rating gets used in this case? Is it still the English one or for instance the Japanese or Pakasistani one?

Edited June 3, 2020 by Toin

[Vänsterback]

On 02/06/2020 at 19:00, Blah_1123 said:

There's a few teams in the Swedish leagues who are formed by refugees from Iraq and Syria. Can't remember all of them but the names stand out pretty well. Think one is called Syrianska FC.

There are a lot of Swedish clubs that are formed by people of Assyrian and/or Aramean background (not to be confused with citizens of the country Syria). So these clubs are not to my knowledge set up in the database to spawn newgens with Syria as a second nationality.

Of course there may be Assyrians with a Syrian passport (or Turkish or Iraqi) but I'm not sure it can be set up so that Syrianska FC for example spawn newgens with previously named second nationalities AND an Assyrian ethnicity, because that ethnicity parameter does not exist in the database.

[ranks39]

On 03/06/2020 at 11:45, Toin said:

This is cool! Does anyone know which underlying youth rating gets used in this case? Is it still the English one or for instance the Japanese or Pakasistani one?

I have no proof for anything(I'm in my second season with one of the clubs that generates English/Pakistani newgens) but my guess would be since their first nationality is English and the birth cities have been England, that the youth rating would be English..... Again, no proof or anything to back this up.

[ranks39]

FC Romania are very interesting as they appear to have newgens that have a first nationality of Romanian.....  They're another English club.

 

[Thebaker]

17 hours ago, Vänsterback said:

There are a lot of Swedish clubs that are formed by people of Assyrian and/or Aramean background (not to be confused with citizens of the country Syria). So these clubs are not to my knowledge set up in the database to spawn newgens with Syria as a second nationality.

Of course there may be Assyrians with a Syrian passport (or Turkish or Iraqi) but I'm not sure it can be set up so that Syrianska FC for example spawn newgens with previously named second nationalities AND an Assyrian ethnicity, because that ethnicity parameter does not exist in the database.

Assyrian is not just syrian.  I had a game with Assyriska FF and the newgens with pretty much all swedish with 2nd nationality of mostly iraq or iran. There were also turkish, syrian and lebanon 2nd nationality and some just swedish.

Sweden has a lot of different ethnic clubs if you look, Assyrrian and old yugoslavic ones are the most numerous.

Edited June 5, 2020 by Thebaker

[Vänsterback]

8 hours ago, Thebaker said:

Assyrian is not just syrian.  I had a game with Assyriska FF and the newgens with pretty much all swedish with 2nd nationality of mostly iraq or iran. There were also turkish, syrian and lebanon 2nd nationality and some just swedish.

Sweden has a lot of different ethnic clubs if you look, Assyrrian and old yugoslavic ones are the most numerous.

Yeah, Assyrian is not just Syrian (or a nationality at all), that's my point.

As a researcher (responsible for Assyriska BK in Gothenburg among other clubs) I am interested in the realism of the game. These clubs are of course diverse and open for everyone but if it is set up that a club like Assyriska FF, Assyriska BK or Syrianska FC spawn newgens based on these second nationalities I would consider that potentially unrealistic. Because a player of, for example, Arab ethnicity and Iraqi second nationality is not more likely than anyone else to be attracted to an Assyrian club, if you see what I mean. And if such club is set up to spawn newgens with Iraq as a second nationality it is likely that those newgens represent the dominant ethnicity of Iraq, which is Arab. Would you, based on your newgens' names, consider them to be of Assyrian origin or more of Arab, Persian or perhaps Turkish origin? Just curious.

With this said, we can't just start to log peoples ethnicities in the database, that would be questionable to say the least. But just from a Football Manager perspective it is annoying that we can't represent clubs who are associated with ethnic minorities as good as clubs associated with players with certain second nationalities.

[ranks39]

4 hours ago, Vänsterback said:

Yeah, Assyrian is not just Syrian (or a nationality at all), that's my point.

As a researcher (responsible for Assyriska BK in Gothenburg among other clubs) I am interested in the realism of the game. These clubs are of course diverse and open for everyone but if it is set up that a club like Assyriska FF, Assyriska BK or Syrianska FC spawn newgens based on these second nationalities I would consider that potentially unrealistic. Because a player of, for example, Arab ethnicity and Iraqi second nationality is not more likely than anyone else to be attracted to an Assyrian club, if you see what I mean. And if such club is set up to spawn newgens with Iraq as a second nationality it is likely that those newgens represent the dominant ethnicity of Iraq, which is Arab. Would you, based on your newgens' names, consider them to be of Assyrian origin or more of Arab, Persian or perhaps Turkish origin? Just curious.

With this said, we can't just start to log peoples ethnicities in the database, that would be questionable to say the least. But just from a Football Manager perspective it is annoying that we can't represent clubs who are associated with ethnic minorities as good as clubs associated with players with certain second nationalities.

A VERY interesting insight!  Thank you for it!

[OlivierL]

On 04/06/2020 at 20:02, ranks39 said:

FC Romania are very interesting as they appear to have newgens that have a first nationality of Romanian.....  They're another English club.

 

They could have issues with brexit ?

[Tony Wright 747]

There is a Japanese team that plays in the Singapore league

[shimera]

There's one club in Brazil called Pérolas Negras that has Haitian players, not sure if their newgens are Haitian as well

[oblongata21]

On 16/08/2020 at 19:25, Tony Wright 747 said:

There is a Japanese team that plays in the Singapore league

Thats Albirex Niigata's feeder team. The Singapore league also has a team for Brunei, DPMM FC. Both these teams have won the league over the last 5 seasons

Prior to that, they had 3 chinese teams there, as feeder clubs for the Chinese League, Etoile from France also competed, and there was Sinchi, which was a club  composed of Chinese players. There was also a Korean team and and African team.