Ultimate Stars And Legends Game FM14 (1880's - 2014)

[Fenech]

Hi Fenech googd to see you making progress on the update .. :thup:was wondering if this player http://www.football-oranje.com/hall-of-fame-abe-lenstra/ will be in the update ?

Abe Lenstra will be in the update.

[izagooner]

Abe Lenstra will be in the update.

Cool heres another Dutch Master http://www.football-oranje.com/hall-of-fame-antoon-rat-verlegh/

[Fenech]

Cool heres another Dutch Master http://www.football-oranje.com/hall-of-fame-antoon-rat-verlegh/

Great, ill do some research on him and get him in the next update.

[Katone0]

What a game. That penalty shotout was thrilling.

[Fenech]

What a game. That penalty shotout was thrilling.

Fantastic! Did the best team win?

[Weezer]

This game is so difficult, there's so little to choose between the legends teams that every single game is like the Champions League final x100! The opposition have so many amazing players to be wary of it's actually quite draining. I beat Liverpool in my first game (using Sheffield Wednesday) and have since drawn 3 and lost 1. The defeat being a 4-1 humiliation by Burnley.

[Fenech]

This game is so difficult, there's so little to choose between the legends teams that every single game is like the Champions League final x100! The opposition have so many amazing players to be wary of it's actually quite draining. I beat Liverpool in my first game (using Sheffield Wednesday) and have since drawn 3 and lost 1. The defeat being a 4-1 humiliation by Burnley.

Sheffield Wednesday are a good team to take, and I agree that this is FM in hard mode! Tactics are paramount, and man management too, no more easy games.. It is a true challenge. and you seem to do be doing alright, still early days though but I hope you have a great season! Keep me posted.

[Ernest166]

That's what makes this game a whole lot better!

[Tobias Funke]

This is a really great job overall but I'm a little bewildered by a couple of the Everton choices. You're looking at a side that's been one of the best in England since the 19th Century, why are Dunne, Stones and Materazzi in there ahead of Dave Watson, Brian Labone, hell in the modern day Jags and Distin have both done much more than these 3. Also, Rodwell in ahead of The Golden Vision Alex Young or Peter Reid? No Tommy Lawton, Colin Harvey? Daniel Amokachi has no place in the team either.

Don't want to come across as being too critical but there are quite a few strange picks, other than that it's a really good db

[Fenech]

This is a really great job overall but I'm a little bewildered by a couple of the Everton choices. You're looking at a side that's been one of the best in England since the 19th Century, why are Dunne, Stones and Materazzi in there ahead of Dave Watson, Brian Labone, hell in the modern day Jags and Distin have both done much more than these 3. Also, Rodwell in ahead of The Golden Vision Alex Young or Peter Reid? No Tommy Lawton, Colin Harvey? Daniel Amokachi has no place in the team either.

Don't want to come across as being too critical but there are quite a few strange picks, other than that it's a really good db

Hi Tobias,

When I first posted this, I made it very clear that none of the squads were final and were open to changes, and the specific reason I did this, was to give fans like yourself the opportunity to come forward and suggest changes to the team and then I would either agree or disagree and give my reasons in either case.

You raise excellent points and I do agree with you. Everton will be changed and I will focus on your suggestions in time for the next update.

[Tobias Funke]

Cheers, also when Gravesen was at his peak for us he was more of an advanced centre mid rather than defensive mid/CB as you have him here. Easy enough mistake to make since he dropped further back as he lost his legs. Also I was under the impression Alan Ball was more of an Attacking mid than a winger, he was part of a famous midfield trio with Harvey and Kendall.

Keep up the good work though

[Fenech]

Cheers, also when Gravesen was at his peak for us he was more of an advanced centre mid rather than defensive mid/CB as you have him here. Easy enough mistake to make since he dropped further back as he lost his legs. Also I was under the impression Alan Ball was more of an Attacking mid than a winger, he was part of a famous midfield trio with Harvey and Kendall.

Keep up the good work though

Cheers. I will update Alan Ball also.

[Tobias Funke]

Hold that thought, I've done some googling and it seems Ball was a winger after all. I'll PM you my idea of what the squad should be later, obviously much of it is subjective but I think it could be helpful. At the moment we've got the 4th most successful team in England with half their squad mid table quality!

[Fenech]

Hold that thought, I've done some googling and it seems Ball was a winger after all. I'll PM you my idea of what the squad should be later, obviously much of it is subjective but I think it could be helpful. At the moment we've got the 4th most successful team in England with half their squad mid table quality!

I will research the positions again, just to be sure, he may have been both. I will add you as my Everton Expert. Please provide me with who is the best 25 players in your opinion for 1880 to 2014, and I need a balance of playing positions, so 2 GKs, 2 L/R Side Backs, 4 Centre Backs, 2 L/R Wingers 4-6 Centre/defensive/attacking mids and 4 strikers and 25 players in total. I will then take your compilation into consideration when doing the update. Cheers.

[tom180]

Hey guys,

Are you able to make some Australian players included in the database? Most likely as free agents though as the old NSL died off (The clubs aren't active in FM anymore).

If you have some spare time, here are some players!

Lucas Neill - Former West Ham and Australia captain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Neill

Brett Emerton - 247 games for Blackburn and 95 caps for Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Emerton

Alex Tobin - Another former Australian captain and 87 caps, FFA Hall of fame http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Tobin

Paul Wade - 84 caps for Australia, FFA Hall of fame http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wade

Tony Vidmar - 76 caps for Australia, 104 caps for Rangers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Vidmar

Damien Mori - Second highest goalscorer for the national team, 334 career goals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Mori

John Kosmina - 60 games and 25 goals for Australia, FFA Hall of fame http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kosmina

David Zrillic - 25 goals for Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Zdrilic

John Aloisi - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Aloisi

Graham Arnold - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Arnold

[Fenech]

Hey guys,

Are you able to make some Australian players included in the database? Most likely as free agents though as the old NSL died off (The clubs aren't active in FM anymore).

If you have some spare time, here are some players!

Lucas Neill - Former West Ham and Australia captain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Neill

Brett Emerton - 247 games for Blackburn and 95 caps for Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Emerton

Alex Tobin - Another former Australian captain and 87 caps, FFA Hall of fame http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Tobin

Paul Wade - 84 caps for Australia, FFA Hall of fame http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wade

Tony Vidmar - 76 caps for Australia, 104 caps for Rangers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Vidmar

Damien Mori - Second highest goalscorer for the national team, 334 career goals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Mori

John Kosmina - 60 games and 25 goals for Australia, FFA Hall of fame http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kosmina

David Zrillic - 25 goals for Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Zdrilic

John Aloisi - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Aloisi

Graham Arnold - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Arnold

That's no bother. I will look to add these players in the next update as well if they have not been added in already.

[Nottingham Forest]

Fenech,

Do you have an up to date screenshot of the Forest squad as it stands? I would like to, if I have your permission, post it on a Forest forum and get their reactions and see if they have any ideas as to whether they agree with your selections. I will also ask them about the Chairman situation as well.

[Fenech]

Fenech,

Do you have an up to date screenshot of the Forest squad as it stands? I would like to, if I have your permission, post it on a Forest forum and get their reactions and see if they have any ideas as to whether they agree with your selections. I will also ask them about the Chairman situation as well.

Here is the most up to date Forest Squad, the manager is Brian Howard Clough and the chairman was his chairman, the one who was chairman when they won back to back European cups!

[Vad]

I've never been one for these fantasy updates, but wow, just from reading this post it seems amazing and something that's actually thought through and well researched.

Although small and nit-picky issues, there are a couple of things i was wondering about regarding the age of some of the Manchester United players. Giggs is 24, seven years older than the other players included from the class of '92. For me they were a closely-knit group of players that grew up toghether in the Utd-academy and I feel they should be allowed to do the same in this fantasy update. I'm also a bit saddened that they won't be joined by Phil Neville and Nicky Butt, but those two have some pretty steep competition in their positions so I fully understand why you chose not to include them.

The others are Duncan Edwards and George Best. Even though I wasn't born when they played, my recollection of them is of being two young prodigys with a limitless potential. The quote you have from the scout who found Best is from when he was 15 years, so either that or 17, when he made his debut, seems like a better fit to me. Then there's Edwards, at 24 in your database, who sadly didn't get older than 21. A better fit for him would be 18 years, when he made his England debut at what at the time was the youngest player ever to play for the England national team.

With all the young players that have been brought through the United academy to become star players over the years I can see why you've had to make some of them a bit older, as having a team of 16-17 year olds wouldn't do them any good. An idea could perhaps be to have the age of the players who played together during the golden generations be somewhat relative to each other?

[Fenech]

I've never been one for these fantasy updates, but wow, just from reading this post it seems amazing and something that's actually thought through and well researched.

Although small and nit-picky issues, there are a couple of things i was wondering about regarding the age of some of the Manchester United players. Giggs is 24, seven years older than the other players included from the class of '92. For me they were a closely-knit group of players that grew up toghether in the Utd-academy and I feel they should be allowed to do the same in this fantasy update. I'm also a bit saddened that they won't be joined by Phil Neville and Nicky Butt, but those two have some pretty steep competition in their positions so I fully understand why you chose not to include them.

The others are Duncan Edwards and George Best. Even though I wasn't born when they played, my recollection of them is of being two young prodigys with a limitless potential. The quote you have from the scout who found Best is from when he was 15 years, so either that or 17, when he made his debut, seems like a better fit to me. Then there's Edwards, at 24 in your database, who sadly didn't get older than 21. A better fit for him would be 18 years, when he made his England debut at what at the time was the youngest player ever to play for the England national team.

With all the young players that have been brought through the United academy to become star players over the years I can see why you've had to make some of them a bit older, as having a team of 16-17 year olds wouldn't do them any good. An idea could perhaps be to have the age of the players who played together during the golden generations be somewhat relative to each other?

Hi Vad,

Thank you for your support and I totally appreciate your point. It is an excellent point which you make.

When I set out on this project of researching the last 100 years of football history, I didn't know what results would be like, and it should have come as no surprise that the most successful club in the last 100 years was and still is, Manchester United. I knew that they are one of the most successful clubs in the world today but this project has confirmed that they are the most successful club in English History and if you look at their squad, they have an amazing team. The look frightening on paper. I tried to keep some of the players at other clubs, like Roy Keane at Forest, but in the end I had no choice but to put him in the Manchester team, the same for Rio Ferdinand. They are media prediction 1st, and they have the best team in the game which is totally realistic because that's probably where they should be. I am not a Manchester united fan but my appreciation of Manchester United has gone up since I started this project.

If you read through this post, you will realise that I gave no guarantees of where a player would end and the age of that player, the only guarantee is that whichever club a player is at, he was at THAT club at THAT age, however I do have certain criteria which I have tried to follow throughout, in certain situations I have had to use common sense and in other situations I have had to ensure that each club has as close as possible to the best 25 players to have played for them in the last 100 years and showing a perfect balance of playing positions.

The criteria is as follows:

Each Player would start at the first top division club they joined at the exact age that they joined the club.

The Top Top players would be at an age where they were coming into their prime

That a player would begin the game at a reasonable age so that they can be enjoyed for as long as possible.

I agree that in a ideal world the class of 92 would be together in age, but I consider Ryan Giggs to be a top top player and therefore I had to bring him forward to an age, where he would be coming into his prime. I did originally have him as the same age as his class but I decided later on that it was important for the very top players to be coming into their prime, so that we can enjoy them in their full aplomb.

I am not saying that the rest of the class of 92 were not top players, but they just didn't quite make the level where I would say they were top top players and I am talking about the top 5% of players the world has produced in the last 100 years, so they were all great, but Giggs for me, hits the very high note and therefore he came forward in age whereas the other slipped into the criteria of starting at Manchester United at the age they joined the club.

You are right. They should all be the same age, but because of the criteria's, I have to leave them the way they are. You are also right that my main issue with Manchester United is that most of their best 25 players were youth products which is a credit to Man U, so I did have to make some of their players a little bit older and this is where the criteria of common sense came into play, because as you said a team of 16 year olds isn't going to be very good or very realistic.

I am sorry for Phil and Nicky but as you said I can't bring them in to the top 25 for Man United but I will ensure both players are in the next big update.

Duncan Edwards is a error on my part, he will be a 18 year old youth in the next update and thanks for pointing this out! Well Spotted..

George is deffo on my list of being a top top player, one the best players the world has ever seen and that is why he is at an age that I consider to be coming into his prime, he passed testing with flying colours, he was even absent from training twice.. AWOL.. but when he does play, a magical player.

In summary I totally agree with you and your reasoning behind your thoughts however I hope you understand my reasons for leaving the players as they are and I will change Duncan because he should only be 18 and this will be reflected in the next big update. Cheers.

[Fenech]

Update:

Crystal Palace

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Kenny Sansom (18)

[Vad]

I agree with your reasoning and criterias for determining a player's age. As opposed to it just being a wonderkids database it does provide an overall more interesting and enjoyable game world.

Couldn't agree more about Best, to me he will always be the best player the world has ever seen! From what you're saying, your rendition of him seems perfect; turning up to games after a night at the clubs and still netting himself a hat-trick . Looking forward to giving this a go even more now!

[Fenech]

I agree with your reasoning and criterias for determining a player's age. As opposed to it just being a wonderkids database it does provide an overall more interesting and enjoyable game world.

Couldn't agree more about Best, to me he will always be the best player the world has ever seen! From what you're saying, your rendition of him seems perfect; turning up to games after a night at the clubs and still netting himself a hat-trick . Looking forward to giving this a go even more now!

Exactly! Genius is a fine line between brilliance and madness. George Best was the shining example of both brilliance and madness.

[izagooner]

Hi Fenech some of the players in this link you have already done but i dont think all http://www.rankopedia.com/Best-Football-Player-Before-1930-(First-World-Cup)/CandidateData/20880/.htm

[izagooner]

Some older german players to consider many from very small clubs now http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Germany_international_footballers_1908%E2%80%931942

[Tobias Funke]

I've PMed my suggestions to you

[Fenech]

Hi Fenech some of the players in this link you have already done but i dont think all http://www.rankopedia.com/Best-Football-Player-Before-1930-(First-World-Cup)/CandidateData/20880/.htm

Hi Izagooner,

Thanks for the useful link.

Scanning the list and I can see that some of them have been done, and will be researching the ones who are not there, with a view to including them in the next update.

[Fenech]

I've PMed my suggestions to you

Hi Tobias,

Thank you for the PM which has been received.

Leave this with me and I will come back to you once Everton has been updated.

[izagooner]

This shiukd keep you busy for a while http://www.rankopedia.com/Level2Page/1/Filter=All/Pagetodisplay=1/.htm?refresh=40025871

[Fenech]

This shiukd keep you busy for a while http://www.rankopedia.com/Level2Page/1/Filter=All/Pagetodisplay=1/.htm?refresh=40025871

Thanks. If you don't hear from me, It's because I am being kept very busy with this link.

[tom180]

Cheers Fenech for looking at the players I suggested. I think from memory Cahill and Kewell were done hence why I didn't list them, not sure about Mark Viduka though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Viduka

If you wanted to add three more Australian players you could add:

Peter Wilson, captained the Socceroos to their first world cup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Wilson_(Australian_footballer)

Also the late great Johnny Warren http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Warren

and lastly Craig Johnston who was Australian, 190 caps for Liverpool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Johnston

Loving your file so far, doing well with Ajax, the youth is immense...

[Aussieliverpool]

Cheers Fenech for looking at the players I suggested. I think from memory Cahill and Kewell were done hence why I didn't list them, not sure about Mark Viduka though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Viduka

If you wanted to add three more Australian players you could add:

Peter Wilson, captained the Socceroos to their first world cup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Wilson_(Australian_footballer)

Also the late great Johnny Warren http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Warren

and lastly Craig Johnston who was Australian, 190 caps for Liverpool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Johnston

Loving your file so far, doing well with Ajax, the youth is immense...

Good suggestions man did you try my database by any chance? :/

If you are adding Craig Johnston then Tony Dorigo should be eligible for Australia, they would have both played for the Socceroos in the current day, however it was no so easy in the 80s

[Fenech]

Cheers Fenech for looking at the players I suggested. I think from memory Cahill and Kewell were done hence why I didn't list them, not sure about Mark Viduka though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Viduka

If you wanted to add three more Australian players you could add:

Peter Wilson, captained the Socceroos to their first world cup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Wilson_(Australian_footballer)

Also the late great Johnny Warren http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Warren

and lastly Craig Johnston who was Australian, 190 caps for Liverpool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Johnston

Loving your file so far, doing well with Ajax, the youth is immense...

Hi Tom180,

That is great, and I will be sure to research all the players you have suggested and include them in the next big update.

Thanks and Ajax are great. I am pleased you are enjoying it. Thanks again for the points you have raised.

[Fenech]

Good suggestions man did you try my database by any chance? :/

If you are adding Craig Johnston then Tony Dorigo should be eligible for Australia, they would have both played for the Socceroos in the current day, however it was no so easy in the 80s

Hi AussieLiverpool,

Tony Dorigo is eligible for England or Australia as he has Australia as his second nationality.

Exactly, times have changed and he may well have been an Australian superstar today and this gives him the opportunity to do just that!

[Tobias Funke]

Oh bollocks I forgot about Cahill

I just went to check my list to see who I could take out for Cahill and my sent items box is empty despite me not emptying it, weird. I'd appreciate you forwarding it back over to me to take a look, cheers.

[Bittah Dreamer]

Great work. One mistake I noticed is that John Aldridge is down as English - should be an Irish international with English as a secondary nationality.

Any rough indication on when the next update is likely to be? Are we talking a day or two or weeks?

And how far as anybody gotten on this DB? Is there any sustainability to this beyond maybe 5-6 seasons, when the legends and greats start to decline and retire?

I think the addition of the new crop of unsigned 14-16 year olds will help remedy this you should have some youth prospects coming through actually capable of filling their shoes. Perhaps it might be an idea to provide more of these - as developing youths is one of the main parts of the game. Given the amazing crop of established talent at the start of the game though, most of what were otherwise excellent youths prospects in the normal database are now looking less than mediocre (e.g. Lorenzo Insigne has gone from being one of the best on the Napoli team to just taking up space on the squad).

And how does the world economy hold up given there are going to be so many high profile players looking for bumper contracts over the next few years.

[Fenech]

Great work. One mistake I noticed is that John Aldridge is down as English - should be an Irish international with English as a secondary nationality.

Any rough indication on when the next update is likely to be? Are we talking a day or two or weeks?

And how far as anybody gotten on this DB? Is there any sustainability to this beyond maybe 5-6 seasons, when the legends and greats start to decline and retire?

I think the addition of the new crop of unsigned 14-16 year olds will help remedy this you should have some youth prospects coming through actually capable of filling their shoes. Perhaps it might be an idea to provide more of these - as developing youths is one of the main parts of the game. Given the amazing crop of established talent at the start of the game though, most of what were otherwise excellent youths prospects in the normal database are now looking less than mediocre (e.g. Lorenzo Insigne has gone from being one of the best on the Napoli team to just taking up space on the squad).

And how does the world economy hold up given there are going to be so many high profile players looking for bumper contracts over the next few years.

Hello Bittah Dreamer,

Thank you and you raise excellent and interesting points.

John Aldridge is a mistake. I only wished he was English. I will ensure John Aldridge returns to being Irish in the next update.

The next update will be big so it won't be out for a few weeks at least. Please bear with me, this is a professional job and requires a lot of coding and researching / programming so I will get it done as soon as possible but I'd rather do one big update than lots of small ones.

No one has reported on 5-6 years yet but I am confident that the world will go on!

I have re-coded the youth regens so you will find better youths from all over the world coming through and I have also recoded the world economy too, so not only will you find fantastic youths coming through, the world will be financially able to sustain and pay them as well.

This has all been taken care of in advance. Of course the amazing crop of talent now means some players are lesser than average when before they were important pegs in those teams, he probably wont be at Napoli in the next update because that will be one of the 25 man teams.

The next update will bring this game into even more depth than it already is, but also the overall game will be more complete as well, so I look forward to releasing it.

[Bittah Dreamer]

Thanks.

I started a Napoli save at the weekend, but would have been sick of I found out the update was out in a day or two. Would likely be tempted to restart - kinda happy its not out for a while now.

I appreciate all the work and effort involved.

On the youths etc, did you give any consideration to trying to blend the squad ages a bit to give better balance to the squads and game time expectations? E.g. Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo both start off in early 20's, in teams already packed to the rafters with talent. Starting them at 17/18 (when they broke into or signed for their team) would allow you develop them into legends rather than having them start as that. Same goes for Maldini at Milan, Cannavaro at Napoli, etc.

One other issue i noticed is the home grown status of players. The newly created players haven't (all) been designated as home grown for the applicable nation/club, which can cause issues for Champions League/League Registration.

On my Napoli save, I only tweaked this after I had sold most of the old deadwood. I am now left with 6 home grown players (2 at club) - 2 or 3 of which are so bad I couldn't find anybody to take them off me for free. None of the created Italians are down as home grown, including Cannavaro and Ferrara who started off at Napoli. I've noticed most other Italian clubs have the same problem, so at least I'm not alone.

I guess it adds an extra challenge to the UCL for the first 2-3 years.

[Fenech]

Thanks.

I started a Napoli save at the weekend, but would have been sick of I found out the update was out in a day or two. Would likely be tempted to restart - kinda happy its not out for a while now.

I appreciate all the work and effort involved.

On the youths etc, did you give any consideration to trying to blend the squad ages a bit to give better balance to the squads and game time expectations? E.g. Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo both start off in early 20's, in teams already packed to the rafters with talent. Starting them at 17/18 (when they broke into or signed for their team) would allow you develop them into legends rather than having them start as that. Same goes for Maldini at Milan, Cannavaro at Napoli, etc.

One other issue i noticed is the home grown status of players. The newly created players haven't (all) been designated as home grown for the applicable nation/club, which can cause issues for Champions League/League Registration.

On my Napoli save, I only tweaked this after I had sold most of the old deadwood. I am now left with 6 home grown players (2 at club) - 2 or 3 of which are so bad I couldn't find anybody to take them off me for free. None of the created Italians are down as home grown, including Cannavaro and Ferrara who started off at Napoli. I've noticed most other Italian clubs have the same problem, so at least I'm not alone.

I guess it adds an extra challenge to the UCL for the first 2-3 years.

Exactly. It will give you a chance to enjoy this game and something to look forward when the update comes out.

Thanks for your support. I set out the criteria for the ages, and of course I included Cristiano and Messi in the top 5% of players the world has produced in the last 100 years and therefore they fell into the criteria of coming into their prime. I do agree with you and I did try to give a balance of ages, however if anything the balance needs to be redressed in the opposite direction because, there are many more legends and stars who are young and can develop into their potential and its only the 5% and those that joined the top division clubs in their 20's which are older in the game.

Every player created and designed has been given their home grown status. Therefore it is a surprise that this is an issue. I have double checked and both cannavaro and ferrara are both home grown for Napoli. I can see though that in game those players are showing as trained in nation and not trained in club, I think that is because of the criteria that they are at those clubs at the exact age they joined the clubs and because they haven't technically been there for three year, they may not qualify for full home grown status. I am doing a test now and I will come back to you, but all players have been given their home grown status, I am running a small test now to see if it is something I have done or if the game itself is preventing the club home grown status from showing up. I am pretty sure though that you have to be at a club three years before you can qualify for home grown status.

[Fenech]

Hi Bittah,

I have now completed the test and it is because they have only just joined their clubs that I thought it would unrealistic initially for them to have home grown club status however I can see your point that it affects the champions league, therefore in the next update, this will be changed so full club home grown status will be enjoyed by those players who had earned the right to be home grown at the clubs in the first place, in the meantime its not just Italian teams, its the same for all the teams, you will have to put up with that for now and look forward to that being rectified in the next update. Cheers.

[Bittah Dreamer]

Exactly. It will give you a chance to enjoy this game and something to look forward when the update comes out.

Are you planning on continuing this over to FM15 (assuming the databases are reasonably compatible)?

Would be a nightmare to have to choice between the new match engine and transfer update and this database!

PS - another error spotted. You have Clarence Seedorf (also known as God) down as 29 in the game. However, he joined Milan in 2002, which would have put him at about 26.

(just checked wikipedia to verify dates, and can't believe Inter swapped him for Francesco Coco. most unbalanced exchange ever!).

[Fenech]

Are you planning on continuing this over to FM15 (assuming the databases are reasonably compatible)?

Would be a nightmare to have to choice between the new match engine and transfer update and this database!

I am planning to bring this over to 2015 assuming the databases are compatible.

I always buy the game in advance, (I have already bought FM15) and I know the choice would be tough, but I would argue it's always best to have the game ready to play, when you have finished enjoying this game. Either way as long as there is a will, I will find a way to convert this legends game into 2015 as well.

[jbblack86]

Bayern killed their league early :|

The BPL iz proving a more tightly fought contest however

I did strengthen my United team too buying a young Rafael as he is a great RB when fit, especially in FM, aswell as a young Carlos Valderrama and I made one very big purshase in the form of £98m Pele who has performed very well however I think I should have gone for Dave Hallday who is leading the BPL goalscoring and assist charts!

[Fenech]

Bayern killed their league early :|

The BPL iz proving a more tightly fought contest however

I did strengthen my United team too buying a young Rafael as he is a great RB when fit, especially in FM, aswell as a young Carlos Valderrama and I made one very big purshase in the form of £98m Pele who has performed very well however I think I should have gone for Dave Hallday who is leading the BPL goalscoring and assist charts!

Hi JB,

This is fantastic news! I expected Bayern to kill their division but there will be much more competition for them in the next update.

Wow, you have made some impressive signings but I was sure Pele would go for about 50 - 60 million, so im surprised they held out for 98... still worth every penny I am sure.

Valderrama will be an enjoyable player to watch. Yes, Dave Halliday would have been the best buy especially looking at the league table as he is a strong asset for Sunderland.

Considering I completed the whole premiership, its no surprise that it's tighter than ever before. It is the most competitive league in the world and even more so now.

Sheffield Wednesday not do so well for once! Keep up the excellent progress, it's good to see you are being successful even in Hard Mode, obviously a great tactician and man manager then.

[Fenech]

Are you planning on continuing this over to FM15 (assuming the databases are reasonably compatible)?

Would be a nightmare to have to choice between the new match engine and transfer update and this database!

PS - another error spotted. You have Clarence Seedorf (also known as God) down as 29 in the game. However, he joined Milan in 2002, which would have put him at about 26.

(just checked wikipedia to verify dates, and can't believe Inter swapped him for Francesco Coco. most unbalanced exchange ever!).

Hi Brittah,

Well spotted! Yes I had him for 26 as well, I must have been experiencing upside down vision and mistakenly took the 9 for a 6! Who Knows? I have changed this and God will be 26 again in the new update.

I bet Inter would reverse that decision if they could!

[Okaka]

Hi Fenech I already wrote you under your File at the Steam Workshop.

I if you want I could help you with the German League, because I am from Germany and follow this League for ages.

I think a few players are forgotten and others are at the wrong Club like I already wrote at the Steam hp.

Otherwise I don't want to harm you or anything else, I am in the biggest respect for your and your fantastic work, this is a File I always wanted to have.

PS. Excuse my bad english I am not a native speaker(Had it only in school and this is also ages ago )

[Fenech]

Hi Fenech I already wrote you under your File at the Steam Workshop.

I if you want I could help you with the German League, because I am from Germany and follow this League for ages.

I think a few players are forgotten and others are at the wrong Club like I already wrote at the Steam hp.

Otherwise I don't want to harm you or anything else, I am in the biggest respect for your and your fantastic work, this is a File I always wanted to have.

PS. Excuse my bad english I am not a native speaker(Had it only in school and this is also ages ago )

Hi Okaka,

Thank you for your question.

I have answered but the reason Kohler and Heinze reidle are not at Dortmund is because of their age when the joined.

The criteria is as follows:

Each Player would start at the first top division club they joined at the exact age that they joined the club.

The Top Top players would be at an age where they were coming into their prime

That a player would begin the game at a reasonable age so that they can be enjoyed for as long as possible.

The reason Kohler is not at Dormund is because he joined at 30 years of age and that is not a reasonable age for him to start his Journey, the same applies to Karl Heinz Reidle who went to Dortmund at 28, again not a reasonable age to be at Dortmund when the game begins.

I have taken many factors into account not just where the player had the major impact, but also age, abilities, reputation, and strictly following the criteria above.

I can also confirm that the german players who are not there, will all be there in the next big update.

Thank you for your support which is greatly appreciated and I will add you as my German expert.

Don't worry about poor English, I can understand you fine...

[Okaka]

Okay with this fact I can understand.

But I look at your explanation Kohler should be playing for Cologne (like I said this is only a Example, there are many other Players in Germany with whom I have the same issues)

Also another thing is, that many Clubs (at my start 15 or something like that) have no Coach.

[Fenech]

Okay with this fact I can understand.

But I look at your explanation Kohler should be playing for Cologne (like I said this is only a Example, there are many other Players in Germany with whom I have the same issues)

Also another thing is, that many Clubs (at my start 15 or something like that) have no Coach.

Hi Okaka,

Please let me know of any player you find and we can discuss it, I am open to all suggestions and as always will consider it carefully and then we can decide the destination of the player, you are expert of Germany so please let me know and we can discuss.

Yes you are right, according to the first criteria, Kohler should be at Cologne, I also said one of the criteria is common sense, and I set about giving each club the best 25 players to have ever played for them, and while I took appearances into consideration, and success, the most important aspect is the building of the 25 man teams and that is why I chose to put him at Munich over Cologne where he played the same amount of games. The other reason is because he was bang in his prime at Munich whereas he would still have had a few years to develop at cologne so although he didn't fit into the top 5% the world has produced in the last 100 years, he was mighty close to that bracket, so I brought him into his prime, but find me an alternative in his position to put into Bayern and Ill happily ship him back to cologne.

I did not do the coaches for clubs, there are plenty of staff to hire, the only ones I did was for Man United because Bennymc kindly gave me the details of all their coaches and the stats, and as I have said before if anyone wants to give me a list of their teams coaches and stats, then I'll happily add them into the next update.

[Ernest166]

Fenech, any ETA for the new patch? ( no need specific date, but just a general clue of how it's going )