4-1-2-1-2 Complete Dominance

[Mr Hough]

Hi Mr Hough, thanks again for the effort... I have some major problems, it could be because i am impatient, or because i am missing something very drastic... anyway, screenshots should explain it, i am only 3 games into the season, but have played a lot of friendlies with the tactic, the first game i forgot about the opposition instructions, but the other two I have included them... (I have also printed off the opening post, just so i didn't miss anything, and basically for the players etc) anyway, here is the story, im Sunderland, dunno why just feel they are a sleeping giant, in the prem..fan base etc..

Sunderland Squad/Tactics

Is this right? I do the same with the FC and MR/L?

And this bit i didn't quite understand, so just wanted to confirm, circled!

is that what I am meant to do at the start?

League Table

Anyway, if you need anything else, just let me know, it is really fustrating, especially after speanding so long trying to decent players for my Sunderland team!

Anyway any advice would be appreciated.

Many thanks

Boysie!

ok look closely at the op and the instructions you printed off and it say USE OI'S FOR STRIKERS AND ACM WINGERS AND WIDE MIDFIELDERS THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE TACTIC!!!!!

read post 227 take it in, make sure you understand why i use OI's there an intergrial part of the tactic.

if you need any more info MSN me and i can walk you through it

[adonis]

1st match with the new tactic, very impressed!! could have been 10-0, the AI goalkeeper still managed to get a rating of 8.0!!!!!

[kroshot]

Mr Hough-any advice on how to get milevskyi and christian benitez to score eg what roles to use them in this tactic.i`m birmingham btw first season

[Kevinmatt]

great tactic mate

[cragswfc]

just been recommend to your tactic. i like the way you put detail where you explain oi n your shouts. so far played 2 with my sheff wed n won 2

[Hooligan]

hi mr hough what trainings do you use?

[danielllll]

First I won Serie C and then the year after the I won the Serie B when the media had me down at 18th place.

Tx!

The offensive midfielder have played 36 games and scored 21 goals and gotten 21 assists, 10 MoM. It's Verratti btw.

[Hooligan]

mr hough when you use the shout pass into space?

[Mr Hough]

hi mr hough what trainings do you use?

I use tuggs training best one out there i think

[Mr Hough]

mr hough when you use the shout pass into space?

i use pass to space if my players sometimes pass the ball 'Behind' a player or if he gets closed down really quickly after just receiving the ball i will use pass to space then but i will switch back and forth throughout the game

[Gee_Simpson]

What pitch size is best to use with this tactic and what teamtalks do you use?

Cheers.

[Mr Hough]

What pitch size is best to use with this tactic and what teamtalks do you use?

Cheers.

i use small pitch sizes and i don't really have a stratagy for team talks just go with what i think will keep morale up

[Hooligan]

i use pass to space if my players sometimes pass the ball 'Behind' a player or if he gets closed down really quickly after just receiving the ball i will use pass to space then but i will switch back and forth throughout the game

thank's man this tactic is the best

[Mr Hough]

thank's man this tactic is the best

no worries i hope you keep enjoying it

[Willis]

Mr Hough, I'm keen to try out your tactic as it seems to be really impressive.

Just a couple of things, with the shouts, should I be using 'retain possession' and 'pass to feet' as soon as the game starts?

Also, should I be using the OIs from page 1 (closing down and tight marking) for all wide midfielders/wingers, AMCs and strikers?

Thanks

[NeJebi]

Oh yeah I think it should be called complete orgasm, man this is the perverts dream, the defence is rock solid!

[danielllll]

the tactic is working great considering the players I have, my only problem is underachieving wingers. More of you guys maybe experiencing the same? Players on the other positions get good ratings but not my wingers who probably are the best players I have .

[Crewe_Alex]

Great tactic, however as I just spent 16 million on a left winger and now I cant use him, Im a little disappointed as no wingers can prosper in this tactic

[William.Hua]

I will give th 10.2 version a try, looks promising.

[cragswfc]

Great tactic, however as I just spent 16 million on a left winger and now I cant use him, Im a little disappointed as no wingers can prosper in this tactic

retrain him to a new position

[Crewe_Alex]

I did that now

Just took over Nottm Forest

[cragswfc]

just gone on a 7 game unbeaten run 1 of the first times ive done that

[Mr Hough]

Mr Hough, I'm keen to try out your tactic as it seems to be really impressive.

Just a couple of things, with the shouts, should I be using 'retain possession' and 'pass to feet' as soon as the game starts?

Also, should I be using the OIs from page 1 (closing down and tight marking) for all wide midfielders/wingers, AMCs and strikers?

Thanks

that is absalutly perfectly right.

Well done for understanding it first time cossome people (Boycie) has a few problems yesterday (bless Him LOL)

[ana444]

great tactic

unbeaten 20 game run and only 3 draws

i am at.madrid 1st season

[mischievous]

Hey there Mr Hough, i'm gonna try your tactic with my save at Plymouth Argyle

[denalb]

I gave the new 10.2 adapted tactic a try last night with Spurs. I played 22 league games and for the first 15 it went VERY well. The only reason why it went sour after that was due to me taking a few too many risks regarding selling experienced players and signing very talented but also very young players instead. My conclusion is that this new version is the best I have tried so far and I have tried A LOT!! When pausing every match at the very start and making the adaptations Hough recommended the defence is very solid and I am still scoring goals.

As for training I am using TUG.

After Christmas I will continue playing using the new version with Spurs and also test it with a few other teams.

Merry Christmas everyone!!!

[denalb]

I did that now

Just took over Nottm Forest

I had the same problem with Aaron Lennon at Spurs. I retrained him as AM C but he never had a chance vs Modric so I sold him in the end.

[Umberto]

Mr Hough speak italian???

[Big H]

Gotta say I'm not a big believer in OIs on FM.

Mr Hough (or anybody)have you tried some like-for-like tests with and without using the stated OIs and has it made much difference?

Cheers

[Night Gaunt]

So, I have tried it for ~15 games, 12 in league, and table wise I couldn't be less satisfied: I'm first, 8 wins - 3 draws - 1 loss, with 28 goals scored and 15 taken. Yes, 15 is a bit much, but considering I've bought only midfielders and that the team's - Sampdoria - weak spot is defence it's definitely unsurprising.

Only thing I'm still struggling with is the goal rate for the advanced forward (Pazzini in my case), who seems almost unable to score, while the poacher (Cassano) and the AMC (Buonanotte) are simply awesome. I tried rising back to high the poacher's creative freedom, hoping for more assists to the AF, but without results: Cassano still plays (and score) well, but that's about it. I'll try making Buonanotte learn the killer balls PPM even though Pazzini keeps refusing to learn move into spaces, hoping this will not reduce the number of shoots - and as such goals - from the AMC, but I'm beginning to believe Pazzini is just not suited for that role especially with the new patch: though he is a nice all rounder, the shoot with power PPM has become even crappier against the superkeeper, and since this tactic makes it so the ball is played mostly on foot, he can't either take advantage of his good heading often.

Oh, BTW, would you say it would be wise to let the midfielders learn the killer balls PPM too? 'Cause my staff keeps bugging me about making Poli learn it, but I have the fear that way he would try to pass directly to the strikers too often, bypassing the AMC and his ability to build up the manoeuvre (and to score tons of goals as he is doing right now...).

Anyway, definitely the best tactic for 10.2 for me so far. Consistent, reliable, and quite pretty to watch unfold in the match engine. Not overwhelming as some tactics - this very one too - were with the previous patch, but it seems it's not the tactic itselsf at fault at all; result wise it would even be "more realistic" if the lower amount of goals scored didn't came just from the ridiculous superkeeper.

Gotta say I'm not a big believer in OIs on FM.

Mr Hough (or anybody)have you tried some like-for-like tests with and without using the stated OIs and has it made much difference?

Cheers

They indeed do a lot of difference in this case (which I admit, surprised me aswell... with most tactics, OIs are mostly colour). Not always in positive though

Without 'em you give way too much space to the opposition wingers, who can easily cross or even get into the box going 'round your full backs. With 'em your full backs perform much better in defence, however they seems to lose a bit of forward pressure, but the real con is that you often see two of your defenders close down on a single winger: good to place him under pressure, but if he still manages to cross, you'll often found yourself without cover in the box.

All in all in my experience I would say it's better to use them than not, but still you will curse 'em on occasion from time to time

[Umberto]

What are the OP for OI and Shout instructions and where are?

[Crewe_Alex]

Mr Hough please release your possession domination tactics again for the latest patch. They were the best set by far.

If youve already mentioned your not going to tackle them, thats fine and I apologise.

Cheers

[Big H]

So, I have tried it for ~15 games, 12 in league, and table wise I couldn't be less satisfied: I'm first, 8 wins - 3 draws - 1 loss, with 28 goals scored and 15 taken. Yes, 15 is a bit much, but considering I've bought only midfielders and that the team's - Sampdoria - weak spot is defence it's definitely unsurprising.

Only thing I'm still struggling with is the goal rate for the advanced forward (Pazzini in my case), who seems almost unable to score, while the poacher (Cassano) and the AMC (Buonanotte) are simply awesome. I tried rising back to high the poacher's creative freedom, hoping for more assists to the AF, but without results: Cassano still plays (and score) well, but that's about it. I'll try making Buonanotte learn the killer balls PPM even though Pazzini keeps refusing to learn move into spaces, hoping this will not reduce the number of shoots - and as such goals - from the AMC, but I'm beginning to believe Pazzini is just not suited for that role especially with the new patch: though he is a nice all rounder, the shoot with power PPM has become even crappier against the superkeeper, and since this tactic makes it so the ball is played mostly on foot, he can't either take advantage of his good heading often.

Oh, BTW, would you say it would be wise to let the midfielders learn the killer balls PPM too? 'Cause my staff keeps bugging me about making Poli learn it, but I have the fear that way he would try to pass directly to the strikers too often, bypassing the AMC and his ability to build up the manoeuvre (and to score tons of goals as he is doing right now...).

Anyway, definitely the best tactic for 10.2 for me so far. Consistent, reliable, and quite pretty to watch unfold in the match engine. Not overwhelming as some tactics - this very one too - were with the previous patch, but it seems it's not the tactic itselsf at fault at all; result wise it would even be "more realistic" if the lower amount of goals scored didn't came just from the ridiculous superkeeper.

I think you meant you couldn't me 'More' satisfied :-)

[Night Gaunt]

I think you meant you couldn't me 'More' satisfied :-)

Whoops! Definitely

I should avoid writing anything after an all-nighter

[sparks199]

Just After kick off pause the game and use the RETAIN POSSESION, PASS TO FEET and STAY ON FEET shouts These will help defence out alot also if holding onto a lead you can change the stratagy from overload to defensive

just wanted to let you guys know .. that if you do that just after kick off you should then safe the tactic to anouther name once the shouts have kicked in .. then when you play the next match the shouts will allready be pre loaded into the tactic .. you no this by the start of every match it will ask you to comfirm before it goes to the match

[Big H]

Just After kick off pause the game and use the RETAIN POSSESION, PASS TO FEET and STAY ON FEET shouts These will help defence out alot also if holding onto a lead you can change the stratagy from overload to defensive

just wanted to let you guys know .. that if you do that just after kick off you should then safe the tactic to anouther name once the shouts have kicked in .. then when you play the next match the shouts will allready be pre loaded into the tactic .. you no this by the start of every match it will ask you to comfirm before it goes to the match

Superb - thanks for that mate, saves a lot of time

[Big H]

So, I have tried it for ~15 games, 12 in league, and table wise I couldn't be less satisfied: I'm first, 8 wins - 3 draws - 1 loss, with 28 goals scored and 15 taken. Yes, 15 is a bit much, but considering I've bought only midfielders and that the team's - Sampdoria - weak spot is defence it's definitely unsurprising.

Only thing I'm still struggling with is the goal rate for the advanced forward (Pazzini in my case), who seems almost unable to score, while the poacher (Cassano) and the AMC (Buonanotte) are simply awesome. I tried rising back to high the poacher's creative freedom, hoping for more assists to the AF, but without results: Cassano still plays (and score) well, but that's about it. I'll try making Buonanotte learn the killer balls PPM even though Pazzini keeps refusing to learn move into spaces, hoping this will not reduce the number of shoots - and as such goals - from the AMC, but I'm beginning to believe Pazzini is just not suited for that role especially with the new patch: though he is a nice all rounder, the shoot with power PPM has become even crappier against the superkeeper, and since this tactic makes it so the ball is played mostly on foot, he can't either take advantage of his good heading often.

Oh, BTW, would you say it would be wise to let the midfielders learn the killer balls PPM too? 'Cause my staff keeps bugging me about making Poli learn it, but I have the fear that way he would try to pass directly to the strikers too often, bypassing the AMC and his ability to build up the manoeuvre (and to score tons of goals as he is doing right now...).

Anyway, definitely the best tactic for 10.2 for me so far. Consistent, reliable, and quite pretty to watch unfold in the match engine. Not overwhelming as some tactics - this very one too - were with the previous patch, but it seems it's not the tactic itselsf at fault at all; result wise it would even be "more realistic" if the lower amount of goals scored didn't came just from the ridiculous superkeeper.

They indeed do a lot of difference in this case (which I admit, surprised me aswell... with most tactics, OIs are mostly colour). Not always in positive though

Without 'em you give way too much space to the opposition wingers, who can easily cross or even get into the box going 'round your full backs. With 'em your full backs perform much better in defence, however they seems to lose a bit of forward pressure, but the real con is that you often see two of your defenders close down on a single winger: good to place him under pressure, but if he still manages to cross, you'll often found yourself without cover in the box.

All in all in my experience I would say it's better to use them than not, but still you will curse 'em on occasion from time to time

Thanks for the OI advice mate

[cragswfc]

just wanted to let you guys know .. that if you do that just after kick off you should then safe the tactic to anouther name once the shouts have kicked in .. then when you play the next match the shouts will allready be pre loaded into the tactic .. you no this by the start of every match it will ask you to comfirm before it goes to the match

i thoughr that but it dunt do it to me

[sparks199]

just wanted to let you guys know .. that if you do that just after kick off you should then safe the tactic to anouther name once the shouts have kicked in .. then when you play the next match the shouts will allready be pre loaded into the tactic .. you no this by the start of every match it will ask you to comfirm before it goes to the match

i thoughr that but it dunt do it to me

you can try it with something your see better ... like shout push up the d-line then safe the tactic .. then take a note down of what your d-line was before the shout .. your see that in your tactic the d-line would have moved up ..but your only see it once the game starts

[Big H]

i thoughr that but it dunt do it to me

you can try it with something your see better ... like shout push up the d-line then safe the tactic .. then take a note down of what your d-line was before the shout .. your see that in your tactic the d-line would have moved up ..but your only see it once the game starts

I notice that if you do this and then check when the next game starts, it does change the strategy to "Defensive" but it doesn't list the Shouts as being activated (i.e Retain possesiomn, pass to feet & stay on feet) Maybe in activates them, but just doesn't show them as being activated in the shout menu?

[Niall76]

This one is leaking goals, have tested with Karlsruhe, average 2,7 against per match. Probably only applicable for teams with top players. Everton's no Accrington Stanley remember...

My Novgorod players are mostly free transfers. We were predicted to finish 15 out of 16 so certainly not a top team.

[cragswfc]

ive used it last night with sheff wed and found it brill. so i stared a new game with rotherham im top of leauge with only ten games gone ok but its only ten games but i ant had a tactic like this b4

[iceman90it]

Mr Hough this tactic is great! I'm using that with sunderland and here's the results...

Here's my team... I know you're thinking that I'm crazy because I bought a lot of players but Sunderland doesn't have good players for this tactic...

Thank you Mr Hough

[sparks199]

I notice that if you do this and then check when the next game starts, it does change the strategy to "Defensive" but it doesn't list the Shouts as being activated (i.e Retain possesiomn, pass to feet & stay on feet) Maybe in activates them, but just doesn't show them as being activated in the shout menu?

it will still list the same shouts .. just like if you pre load d-line up .. it will still be listed

but it would still have added your shouts that you loaded

[mischievous]

What are the OP for OI and Shout instructions and where are?

The OI (opposition instructions) and the Shout Instructions are in the OP (opening post), that means that you should read the first post.

[Mr Hough]

Gotta say I'm not a big believer in OIs on FM.

Mr Hough (or anybody)have you tried some like-for-like tests with and without using the stated OIs and has it made much difference?

Cheers

yeah i have tried tests with and without OI's i think the difference is very plain to see regarding the space the opp gets when they aren't on even when my team man and tight marks and i never really beleived in OI's either as it annoys me putting them on every game.

[Mr Hough]

So, I have tried it for ~15 games, 12 in league, and table wise I couldn't be less satisfied: I'm first, 8 wins - 3 draws - 1 loss, with 28 goals scored and 15 taken. Yes, 15 is a bit much, but considering I've bought only midfielders and that the team's - Sampdoria - weak spot is defence it's definitely unsurprising.

Only thing I'm still struggling with is the goal rate for the advanced forward (Pazzini in my case), who seems almost unable to score, while the poacher (Cassano) and the AMC (Buonanotte) are simply awesome. I tried rising back to high the poacher's creative freedom, hoping for more assists to the AF, but without results: Cassano still plays (and score) well, but that's about it. I'll try making Buonanotte learn the killer balls PPM even though Pazzini keeps refusing to learn move into spaces, hoping this will not reduce the number of shoots - and as such goals - from the AMC, but I'm beginning to believe Pazzini is just not suited for that role especially with the new patch: though he is a nice all rounder, the shoot with power PPM has become even crappier against the superkeeper, and since this tactic makes it so the ball is played mostly on foot, he can't either take advantage of his good heading often.

Oh, BTW, would you say it would be wise to let the midfielders learn the killer balls PPM too? 'Cause my staff keeps bugging me about making Poli learn it, but I have the fear that way he would try to pass directly to the strikers too often, bypassing the AMC and his ability to build up the manoeuvre (and to score tons of goals as he is doing right now...).

Anyway, definitely the best tactic for 10.2 for me so far. Consistent, reliable, and quite pretty to watch unfold in the match engine. Not overwhelming as some tactics - this very one too - were with the previous patch, but it seems it's not the tactic itselsf at fault at all; result wise it would even be "more realistic" if the lower amount of goals scored didn't came just from the ridiculous superkeeper.

They indeed do a lot of difference in this case (which I admit, surprised me aswell... with most tactics, OIs are mostly colour). Not always in positive though

Without 'em you give way too much space to the opposition wingers, who can easily cross or even get into the box going 'round your full backs. With 'em your full backs perform much better in defence, however they seems to lose a bit of forward pressure, but the real con is that you often see two of your defenders close down on a single winger: good to place him under pressure, but if he still manages to cross, you'll often found yourself without cover in the box.

All in all in my experience I would say it's better to use them than not, but still you will curse 'em on occasion from time to time

great feedback thanks very much

Maybe you could put pazzini as target man and put supply to head this might when the ball gets crossed make use of his good heading ability.

i think the OI's are very important maybe what you could do instead of having the central defenders on zonal make the man mark and move the closing down 1-2 notches this might help keep them in the center

[Mr Hough]

Mr Hough please release your possession domination tactics again for the latest patch. They were the best set by far.

If youve already mentioned your not going to tackle them, thats fine and I apologise.

Cheers

I haven't even had a look at the possession domination tactics yet mate i will do at some point though

[toffee]

I can't seems to save the shouts as well. It does not appear in a new match. Could someone please help to post the tactic with the shouts saved.

[Petros79]

the tactic is excellent I use it in my Liverpool team mostly in very tight defensive teams as I change it with another one i have made (4 (DR/L - DC) - 2 MC - 3(AML/AMC/AMR) - 1 (SC)) for more strong matches the opportunities you can make are the most i have produce with any othe tactic i have made or upload and the only thing i have changed is the two diffenders one is palying as stopper and the one as cover i have not conceded a goal in the league for 8 straight games (6wins with 4-0 score the 4 of them and two draws 0-0 against Arsenal and West Ham where the best player was the opposite GK!!!!) the tactic is very good the only proble is the Gks as in the new patch they all playing like Buffon :-)