princeofpersia Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 so i've been playing with aston villa for about 3.5 seasons now. i've already won the league once, and i have a strong team. but every time i play arsenal, they score the most bizarre goals. adebayor has scored more than 30 goals against me, this man just literally waltz's through 5 defenders at a time and walks the ball into the net. they have 45 yard shots that bounce over my gk into the net. my players don't seem to know how to play every time i play arsenal. it only happens with arsenal. as the title suggests, i've played arsenal about 14 times over the 3.5 seasons, and adebayor has notched up about 10 hattricks. i have the best defense in the league, yet this mother****er scores on me every time. i know he's a quality player in real life, but he is jesus reincarnate in the game. he walks through defenses like moses walked through the red sea. meaning, i'm just writing because its so frustrating watching your team play like crap ONLY against arsenal. you know if they outplayed me and scored some well worked goals, i can accept that. you win some you lose some, life goes on. but my team plays like such crap that its so undeniably obvious and it just makes my blood boil. what the hell is up with that? its absolute bull crap. when did arsenal become the Gods XI? when did adebayor become God's daddy? what the hell. its so annoying and frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Try doing something about it perhaps? Or is that too simple a suggestion? Man mark him, show him on to his weaker foot, tackle him hard, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeofpersia Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 lol, trust me, i tried everything under the sun including man marking his mom. but you can't stop God can you? is it a bug in the game that hes so unstoppable? he's always been the league top scorer too. in my current season he has like 19 goals in 18 games... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Is this with the latest patch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike7077 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 The overrating of Arsenal is a genuine issue, in my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeofpersia Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 yes, i believe it is with the latest patch that was released in december. some of his goals are absolute gems. he walks through 5 defenders and the keeper into the net. then once, one of my defenders tried to clear the ball, it hits him about 20 yards out and it ricochets into the net. that was bloody wonderful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 The overrating of Arsenal is a genuine issue, in my opinion It is an issue, it is the the Arsenal researchers "fault" for overrating their players. It also helps that their style of play suits the match engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJGrant Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I have the same problem with Arsenal although I find Walcott scores loads as well. Thing is I'm Spurs and every time I lose to them the fans get very upset. I'm finishing above them in the league but I've never beaten them and this year lost in both domestic cup finals to them. My only chance of a cup win is if someone else will knock them out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atonement Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 i cant believe so many people on this forum regard 'the arsenal problem' as a non-issue if you look through their squad, a lot of the players are massively over rated look at almunia, better than shay given apparently the less said about nicklas bendtners stats the better adebayors stats are also too high in my opinion, but thats more subjective than most of their over rated players and the argument 'the match engine suits arsenals style of play' just means that the match engine is a poor reflection of reality if i were you mate, id buy adebayor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Aja Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I have the same problem with Arsenal and Adebayor in particular. He's a footballing leviathan in FM, whereas IRL he's a lanky big *****. EDIT: That wasn't even a bad word! Imagine if I needed to say that I p.r.i.c.k.e.d my finger on the mouse button? :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 i cant believe so many people on this forum regard 'the arsenal problem' as a non-issue That's because it's not an issue with the game, but with the research. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atonement Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 That's because it's not an issue with the game, but with the research. same thing really isnt it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rougess Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I've only started to beat arsenal in 2018, when most of the players are too old or have moved on. Before then I'd win about 34 games a season, draw 2 and then lose 2 against arsenal, practically every season. Let's not get started with Bendtner, he has hardly shown any promise since he's been at arsenal, and there isn't really any reason why he should be so good in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 That's because it's not an issue with the game, but with the research.same thing really isnt it? How is it? The researchers dont develop the game or even work for SI. They merely watch football and give the players the stats they believe they should have, then issue their data to SI so they can put it in the game. Not really the same thing at all, is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike7077 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 How is it? The researchers dont develop the game or even work for SI. They merely watch football and give the players the stats they believe they should have, then issue their data to SI so they can put it in the game.Not really the same thing at all, is it? ... and then their research gets implemented into the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeofpersia Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 if i were you mate, id buy adebayor lol, i think i will. [or atleast try]. the side that has God always wins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Aja Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 How is it? The researchers dont develop the game or even work for SI. They merely watch football and give the players the stats they believe they should have, then issue their data to SI so they can put it in the game.Not really the same thing at all, is it? The game and the research (which goes directly into said game), aren't exactly two completely separate entities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 The game and the research (which goes directly into said game), aren't exactly two completely separate entities. I merely meaning that the fact that Arsenals players are overrated and not the fault of SI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atonement Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I merely meaning that the fact that Arsenals players are overrated and not the fault of SI. but who chooses the researchers? SI have the final say so, the buck stops with them of course its their fault Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Lionheart Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Indeed, SI can see this issue and weaken the players to a fairer level. In 2013 for me he got 28 goals and 15 assists in 36 (2) in the league. Amusingly though, he only got 3 goals in 2008-2009. Every season since he's been averaging about 2 goals every 3 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 but who chooses the researchers?SI have the final say so, the buck stops with them of course its their fault There is no point you wading in if you are going to see everything in black and white. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
humbao Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Maybe all your players are not as tall as him? Many goals thru headers? You may ignore me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bored101 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 after all this debate this year on arsenal being way over rated i wonder if the researcher will be returning for the fm10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atonement Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 There is no point you wading in if you are going to see everything in black and white. im not wading in you said that the research aspect is 'not part of the game' and you havn't even said why Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 im not wading inyou said that the research aspect is 'not part of the game' and you havn't even said why I did not. I said that the reason Arsenal are so good is not to do with the game, but to do with the research. As I've previously said, researchers are not employed by SI, so it is not SI's fault if the researchers overrate the players. Read more carefully in future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atonement Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 so if one rogue researcher decided to massively underrate manchester united, causing them to get relegated in the first season, then this wouldnt be a failing of SI and the game? give over the game undergoes a lot of testing to make sure things like that dont happen, if they do, then its SIs name on the product and its SIs fault not one faceless, unpaid researcher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kreman Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I am also in the camp of "research IS part of the game" and the buck does stop with SI. At the end of the day, they are the one's releweasing the game and reviewing all the testing results. Surely some one noticed that Arsenal are considerably better on the game than they are in real life. If SI don't employ the researchers, who does? I play LLM saves mainly, so the Arsenal things hasn't affected me directly yet, but when i do venture into the premiership to look for the odd loanee, it is clear that arsenal's players are overrated. I am an arsenal fan and i go to the majority of home games and it is clear from what i see that the stats are inflated. With regards to Adebayor, it is easy to understand why the researcher thought he would be so good this season after the performances he was putting in last year. However, the guy just doesn't try as hard anymore. Maybe he is complacent, but unfortuantely, complacency is not a stat in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenom84 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 9.3.0 ~!!~~!~!~!~!!~!~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 so if one rogue researcher decided to massively underrate manchester united, causing them to get relegated in the first season, then this wouldnt be a failing of SI and the game?give over the game undergoes a lot of testing to make sure things like that dont happen, if they do, then its SIs name on the product and its SIs fault not one faceless, unpaid researcher It is the fault of the researcher if players are overrated. You either accept that, or you dont. Either way I'm not bothered. The fact is that SI do not do the research, so they cannot be blamed for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Lionheart Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 He said 'What if", using it as an example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impzie Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I will say that Manchester City in my game is far worse than Arsenal. They literally bought a dream team, buying every single World Class Defender, Midfielder and Attack at 20-50 million pounds each. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kreman Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 SI may not do the research in house, but the endorse it by putting it on the game! It's like saying Tony Blair/the government wasn't to blame for the UK going to war with Iraq because he/they didnt carry out the research on the WMDs. No, he/they didnt wander around Iraq personally, but he/they endorsed the research of the people who did by goign to war and the buck stocks with them as the decision makers. This is off topic, but it was the most dramatic example i could think of ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atonement Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 It is the fault of the researcher if players are overrated. You either accept that, or you dont. Either way I'm not bothered. The fact is that SI do not do the research, so they cannot be blamed for it. this fella must be on a wind up are the stats for players changed with each patch do people know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeuS0r Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 i won the league with man city, had a team full of superstars, and by far the best defence, but VAN PERSIE scored 3 or 4 goals against me, EVERYTIME i played vs arsenal. this game is ****ED UP. (sorry for my language, but IT IS ****ED UP. so i'm just telling the truth) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 this fella must be on a wind upare the stats for players changed with each patch do people know? How am I on a wind up? And yes, players stats are changed between patches, depending on the researcher. From what I hear quite a few of the Arsenal squad have been downgreaded following this seasons performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
small Mac Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 It is the fault of the researcher if players are overrated. You either accept that, or you dont. Either way I'm not bothered. The fact is that SI do not do the research, so they cannot be blamed for it. But they can be blamed for letting this poor research be added to the game, therefore making them responsible for producing a game where arsenal are overrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
we6boss Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 including man marking his mom. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! o mannnnnnnn,,, thanks for that laugh. Kudos! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeofpersia Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 lets not forget that its not just the arsenal players that are demi-gods, its that my players dont even show up for the game. they don't listen to any of my tactics, they don't play their position, its absolutely ridiculous. its like the cpu makes arsenal infinitely better and my team infinitely worse. and then obviously there is adebayor, and next to him; God. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncherdave Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Talking of over-rated, could someone please speculate to me as to why Falkirk are constantly giving the old firm a run for their money (well, challenging for second place every time) whenever i start a new game in Scotland? I'm at a loss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwityke Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 It is the fault of the researcher if players are overrated. You either accept that, or you dont. Either way I'm not bothered. The fact is that SI do not do the research, so they cannot be blamed for it. SO taking this quite frankly brilliant idea to its logical conclusion, I will give you a scenario. 'I research medical drugs, I decide a drug needs to be more powerful and then sell this formula to a drugs company, who then 'test' the drug. People die but they think eh what the heck we will release it anyway the researcher thought it should be fine' Who in this little scenario would be at fault, the researcher or the drugs company who did the testing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 i sympathise with u princesofpersia. i have the exact same problem, i too have the best defence in the league by a country mile but when arsenal come to town it all falls to pieces! adebeyor has scored over 45 goals in a season 3 times its ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks1754 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Can't stand Arsenal but I've restarted the game 3 times since the last patch and never had any particullarly bad problems with them..... although Bendtner has scored a few against me come to think of it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 There are other players that make the msot of the way the match engine works, a lot of the arsenal players do, but also players like Yakubu and Ishmail Miller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Aja Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I merely meaning that the fact that Arsenals players are overrated and not the fault of SI. Yeah, ok then. In that case, I want to be a Liverpool researcher; they would be awesome Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckers4 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 so i've been playing with aston villa for about 3.5 seasons now. i've already won the league once, and i have a strong team. but every time i play arsenal, they score the most bizarre goals. adebayor has scored more than 30 goals against me, this man just literally waltz's through 5 defenders at a time and walks the ball into the net. they have 45 yard shots that bounce over my gk into the net. my players don't seem to know how to play every time i play arsenal. it only happens with arsenal. as the title suggests, i've played arsenal about 14 times over the 3.5 seasons, and adebayor has notched up about 10 hattricks. i have the best defense in the league, yet this mother****er scores on me every time. i know he's a quality player in real life, but he is jesus reincarnate in the game. he walks through defenses like moses walked through the red sea. meaning, i'm just writing because its so frustrating watching your team play like crap ONLY against arsenal. you know if they outplayed me and scored some well worked goals, i can accept that. you win some you lose some, life goes on. but my team plays like such crap that its so undeniably obvious and it just makes my blood boil. what the hell is up with that? its absolute bull crap. when did arsenal become the Gods XI? when did adebayor become God's daddy? what the hell. its so annoying and frustrating. Why dont you try tampering with his breaks on his car before the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Aja Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Why dont you try tampering with his breaks on his car before the game? Desperate times call for desperate measures Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kashmirshazad Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Ive had this problem in previous versions of FM. Arsenal for some reason turn into a team of Maradona's X1, and seem to win like every match. This is a genuine issue though, and I have typed in my opinion in the data issue forum. But theres always a favourite innit, however it is unfair on the 'realism' on the game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helicon Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 SI is a company like any other, they employ staff and managers. The staff (paid, or unpaid) do their job to the best of their abilities (hopefully ;-) ... ) and the managers check their work, it is not necessarily the member of staff's direct fault, it is the manager's responsibility to ensure that all published work is of an appropriate standard. The researchers for Arsenal may genuinely believe that denilson etc who are very overrated really are that good. No problem. They submit their research. It is the lead researcher's job, and the managers of the lead researchers to ensure that data provided by researchers is correct. While generally they do a brilliant job if you think about how much data they have to process, it seems this one has been missed. I can't tell you the management structure for SI, I don't work there, but it is someone's decision to accept this data from the researcher and allow it into the game. It is often difficult for a researcher who researches their own club to be anything other than partizan, and that is why the job above them is so important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 As has been said elsewhere, the issue of Arsenal being overrated for some users is not down to the research alone. Of the 'big 4' they have the lowest average CA. The issue is a lot more complex than research, and pointing to just one element like this is assumiung and erroneous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I do think that some of Arsenals youngsters do have currently high mental stats (hidden and unhidden ones), but away from that the majority of the problem appears to be far more their integration into the way the match engine calculates certain things. I'm sure it's not a quick fix by a long way, but it's still disappointing to see as it kills some of the realism. Maybe there should be a "bottle it" attribute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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