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64GB RAM

Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 
Cooler Master Silencio S600 Mid Tower 2 
COOLER MASTER V650 GOLD V2 650W PSU
Kingston NV2 (SNV2S/2000G) 2TB NVMe M.2
AMD Ryzen 7 5700G with Radeon Graphics    
 
Looking at this for new build, although not sure exactly where to go with it.. 
Not a gamer, apart from old stuff like the Max Payne trilogy and maybe Mass Effect..
I do not stream but i watch streams on Twitch, dj's mainly...
 
that's £985 with windows 11..
 
desktop pc
 
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7 hours ago, rinso said:

64GB RAM

Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 
Cooler Master Silencio S600 Mid Tower 2 
COOLER MASTER V650 GOLD V2 650W PSU
Kingston NV2 (SNV2S/2000G) 2TB NVMe M.2
AMD Ryzen 7 5700G with Radeon Graphics    
 
Looking at this for new build, although not sure exactly where to go with it.. 
Not a gamer, apart from old stuff like the Max Payne trilogy and maybe Mass Effect..
I do not stream but i watch streams on Twitch, dj's mainly...
 
that's £985 with windows 11..
 
desktop pc
 
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Sorry - I'm a bit confused - what's the question?

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1 hour ago, Smurf said:

Sorry - I'm a bit confused - what's the question?

I think @rinso is asking for an opinion.  And my opinion is that the build is extremely overpriced for what it is.  And with that usage I have no idea why they've gone for 64GB RAM, which is a ridiculous amount for all but very specialist cases.  16GB would be plenty.

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/m9J85a0MVp/

That's cheaper, with a better CPU and a dedicated graphics card and still has a 2TB M.2 SSD.

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3 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

I think @rinso is asking for an opinion.  And my opinion is that the build is extremely overpriced for what it is.  And with that usage I have no idea why they've gone for 64GB RAM, which is a ridiculous amount for all but very specialist cases.  16GB would be plenty.

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/m9J85a0MVp/

That's cheaper, with a better CPU and a dedicated graphics card and still has a 2TB M.2 SSD.

Yeh looks good - even increasing RAM to 64gb brings it to about the same price.

But I'd only recommend that amount for vid editing, 3d rendering, scientific calculations or other memory intensive stuff.

16gb is the bare minimum these days - so even going 32gb would help futurproof.

But with a desktop upgrading RAM is simple enough - so if they wanted to save now and buy later it would be good to go 16gb.

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14 hours ago, Smurf said:

Yeh looks good - even increasing RAM to 64gb brings it to about the same price.

But I'd only recommend that amount for vid editing, 3d rendering, scientific calculations or other memory intensive stuff.

16gb is the bare minimum these days - so even going 32gb would help futurproof.

But with a desktop upgrading RAM is simple enough - so if they wanted to save now and buy later it would be good to go 16gb.

sorry, managed to somehow delete the first part of my message lol 

I guess i need to re-evaluate what i am looking at...  

 

Current pc is about 5 years old but its struggling like hell between fm and watching twitch..   

 

Device name    DESKTOP-N3K5FA5
Processor    AMD Athlon(tm) X4 950 Quad Core Processor         3.50 GHz
Installed RAM    32.0 GB (31.0 GB usable)

nvidia geforce gtx 1050

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3 hours ago, Simmeyhandon said:

Hi, 

 

Just wondering how this will run FM in terms of graphics? Don't need it for any other game. 

 

https://www.very.co.uk/msi-gf63-thin-gaming-laptop-156in-fhd-144hznbspgeforce-gtx-1650-intel-i5-11400h-8gb-ram-512gb-ssd/1600818505.prd 

 

Thanks in advance

It'd be absolutely fine.

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1 minute ago, rinso said:

sorry, managed to somehow delete the first part of my message lol 

I guess i need to re-evaluate what i am looking at...  

 

Current pc is about 5 years old but its struggling like hell between fm and watching twitch..   

 

Device name    DESKTOP-N3K5FA5
Processor    AMD Athlon(tm) X4 950 Quad Core Processor         3.50 GHz
Installed RAM    32.0 GB (31.0 GB usable)

nvidia geforce gtx 1050

Your issue with that system is a a very weak CPU.

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2 minutes ago, rinso said:

so, in layman's terms, possibly involving some crayon drawings... sod the ram n spend it on the cpu ?

 

You still need a serviceable amount of RAM to ensure smooth running of the PC and ensure you can run multiple programs at once, but for FM the single biggest difference maker is the CPU.

If you look at the build I linked previously via PC Specialist, you'll get a much better deal for slightly less money.

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I’ve seen the minimum specs required, but I’m wondering what minimum spec you guys feel is really required to get the best out of the game, as I’ve not been a regular player of FM for over 10 years and need to buy a new laptop. I don’t have a budget and won’t be playing other games, only using office. So realistic opinions would be really appreciated.

thanks I’m advance.

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I am looking to upgrade my laptop as it is starting to run slowly when playing FM. Only really use the laptop for FM and casual web browsing. 

I have a budget of £800. Been looking around and have found this that seems to be the best in the CPU rankings for the budget:

https://www.box.co.uk/NBCB15716-2-Horizon-Skyline-Intel-Core-i7-16GB-RAM-5_4319482.html

Do you think is this the best option for the money or am I missing something?

Alternatively looking through the thread these come out pretty high:

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/asus-zenbook-14-um425qa-14-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-512-gb-ssd-grey-10240183.html

https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/lenovo-intel-core-i5-12500h-16gb-ram-512gb-ssd-rtx-3050-gaming-laptop-82s90034uk/version.asp?wgu=272145_1621870_16773289473428_0be377efa5&wgexpiry=1708864947&utm_source=productfinder&utm_medium=webgains&refsource=webgains

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/156-asus-vivobook-pro-m3500qa-l1193w-silver-r7-5800h-16gb-ddr4-1tb-nvme-ssd-radeon-graphic-usb-32-ge

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On 25/02/2023 at 08:06, Fletch76 said:

 

I’ve seen the minimum specs required, but I’m wondering what minimum spec you guys feel is really required to get the best out of the game, as I’ve not been a regular player of FM for over 10 years and need to buy a new laptop. I don’t have a budget and won’t be playing other games, only using office. So realistic opinions would be really appreciated.

thanks I’m advance.

Basically, the more powerful CPU the better.

In an ideal world, you'd have 16GB of RAM or more for overall system performance and a dedicated graphics card (any modern card will max out FM).  But CPU is the biggest difference maker.  Reallly, you say you don't have a budget but the best thing you can do is decide a maximum you'd be happy to spend, and then whether you want a desktop or a laptop and we can take it from there.

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7 hours ago, Dibble said:

I am looking to upgrade my laptop as it is starting to run slowly when playing FM. Only really use the laptop for FM and casual web browsing. 

I have a budget of £800. Been looking around and have found this that seems to be the best in the CPU rankings for the budget:

https://www.box.co.uk/NBCB15716-2-Horizon-Skyline-Intel-Core-i7-16GB-RAM-5_4319482.html

Do you think is this the best option for the money or am I missing something?

Alternatively looking through the thread these come out pretty high:

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/asus-zenbook-14-um425qa-14-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-512-gb-ssd-grey-10240183.html

https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/lenovo-intel-core-i5-12500h-16gb-ram-512gb-ssd-rtx-3050-gaming-laptop-82s90034uk/version.asp?wgu=272145_1621870_16773289473428_0be377efa5&wgexpiry=1708864947&utm_source=productfinder&utm_medium=webgains&refsource=webgains

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/156-asus-vivobook-pro-m3500qa-l1193w-silver-r7-5800h-16gb-ddr4-1tb-nvme-ssd-radeon-graphic-usb-32-ge

I'd go for the first one as it has the best CPU. together with 16GB and a dedicated graphics card.

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13 hours ago, kevhamster said:

Basically, the more powerful CPU the better.

In an ideal world, you'd have 16GB of RAM or more for overall system performance and a dedicated graphics card (any modern card will max out FM).  But CPU is the biggest difference maker.  Reallly, you say you don't have a budget but the best thing you can do is decide a maximum you'd be happy to spend, and then whether you want a desktop or a laptop and we can take it from there.

I’ve bought one, hopefully it’ll do. Thanks

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https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/lenovo-v15-g2-alc-82kd-amd-ryzen-3-5300u-8gb-256gb-ssd-15.6-inch-windows-11-82kd008vuk/version.asp#

https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/-82h8027xuk/version.asp

 

Hey guys, working on a small budget but just really looking for something to primarily play FM at a decent level. The top laptop seems like it's got the better CPU but the GPU doesn't seem to tell me exactly which type it is (just says AMD Radeon Graphics), so I've no idea what that means/if it's good enough/if that's even important. 
Anyone got any idea which of the two laptops would be best, if any?

 

Thanks!

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19 hours ago, Brozy said:

https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/lenovo-v15-g2-alc-82kd-amd-ryzen-3-5300u-8gb-256gb-ssd-15.6-inch-windows-11-82kd008vuk/version.asp#

https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/-82h8027xuk/version.asp

 

Hey guys, working on a small budget but just really looking for something to primarily play FM at a decent level. The top laptop seems like it's got the better CPU but the GPU doesn't seem to tell me exactly which type it is (just says AMD Radeon Graphics), so I've no idea what that means/if it's good enough/if that's even important. 
Anyone got any idea which of the two laptops would be best, if any?

 

Thanks!

Out of those two, the second one is better by some distance, but given the price difference that probably shouldn't be a surprise.  You've said you're working on a small budget - how much are you looking to spend?  I can have a look and see what good deals there are within your budget.

For info, Radeon graphics just refers to the integrated GPU in the processor.  It's fairly good for integrated graphics and you should be fine for medium to high settings on the 3D in FM.

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28 minutes ago, oliverjohnston said:

hello, im wondering if core / thread count increases the processing speed of football manager or is it mainly clock speeds that affect it ?

There is no specifically neat answer to this question, although as a rule of thumb I personally would prioritise cores and threads over clock speed.

If you're deciding between two processors though, I'd just be inclined to do a Google search for a comparison on the two you're looking at and you'll get info back on which is better based on benchmarks carried out.

 

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2 hours ago, oliverjohnston said:

hello, im wondering if core / thread count increases the processing speed of football manager or is it mainly clock speeds that affect it ?

I asked about this a long time ago

 

  

On 15/11/2017 at 17:06, Neil Brock said:

I spoke to someone and this is the jist of what he and I came to:

For how the game uses threads - it will create as many threads for playing matches and shortlisting as you have cores (including hyperthreads).

But the performance you see varies on the setup for example with matches - Quick Matches for instance (so for loaded but non-managed in leagues) it's are so fast anyway it gets to the point where it doesn't make that much more difference having more cores.

If you use detail level to set more stuff to full match you'll start seeing betters gains for more cores, but of course will still be slower than by just not having the league loaded, or having it at a low detail level.

Similar sort of thing with shortlisting the more / leagues players you have loaded the more benefits you can potentially see with more cores, however this is probably more than offset by the general slowdown from having more stuff loading as there's still a large portion of the game which is single threaded. 

In regards to best processors, as a general guide we tend to suggest using the following comparison site as a good gauge of the performance capabilities - https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html 

Basic rule of thumb is the higher it is on the list, the better it is. You can edit it to show processors for desktops and also those that are considered 'archived' via the restriction options. 

Hope some of this is of use. 

 

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Just stopping by this thread to mention the Steam Deck. If you're looking at a laptop in the £3-500 bracket primarily to play FM, this is seriously worth looking at. The controls are slightly more awkward, but in exchange you get comparable performance to a price equivalent laptop and a form factor that allows you to play FM is so many more locations and situations. Playing full FM on the bus, plane sofa or in bed becomes very viable. I've just got back from a long international trip and this is now my preferred way to play FM.

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https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Inspiron-15-7559-Notebook-Review.154635.0.html

In case it is useful to people this is my 2015 laptop that still runs FM23 on 5* graphics with 24 leagues loaded (actually I have two more than screen shot) - it runs fine I've done this year in year out playing more or less one career until 2040-2050 ordinarily starting with approx. 85k players. I did upgrade the to SSD hardrive but that has only helped loading/saving and player lists etc.

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21 hours ago, numbas2 said:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Inspiron-15-7559-Notebook-Review.154635.0.html

In case it is useful to people this is my 2015 laptop that still runs FM23 on 5* graphics with 24 leagues loaded (actually I have two more than screen shot) - it runs fine I've done this year in year out playing more or less one career until 2040-2050 ordinarily starting with approx. 85k players. I did upgrade the to SSD hardrive but that has only helped loading/saving and player lists etc.

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Not surprisingly - the processor is a good processor designed for high-performance which is required for FM.

Star ratings don't mean a lot in FM - I don't know why the makers are including them - some sort of reference I suppose, but those star ratings can go up or down depending on the general usage going on with your computer.

SSD can help improve the overall experience of playing Football Manager by reducing loading times, improving gameplay performance, and enabling faster data access.

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Hello,

I’m looking to purchase a new laptop primarily to play FM although it will be used for some work stuff (excel) along with watching things like YouTube, Netflix etc.

I have a budget of £700-900 but can go up to £1000 if absolutely necessary. On FM I do use the match engine and would like the laptop to be fine for a good few years before needing to upgrade again.


Any advice appreciated.

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28 minutes ago, ManCitizens said:

Hello,

I’m looking to purchase a new laptop primarily to play FM although it will be used for some work stuff (excel) along with watching things like YouTube, Netflix etc.

I have a budget of £700-900 but can go up to £1000 if absolutely necessary. On FM I do use the match engine and would like the laptop to be fine for a good few years before needing to upgrade again.


Any advice appreciated.

I'd go for this: https://www.currys.co.uk/products/msi-katana-gf66-12ud-15.6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-rtx-3050-ti-512-gb-ssd-10233989.html

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My setup is 5 active leagues with large database and Very high graphics 

 

Can the MacBook M2 Air handle the above or would I need a MacBook M2 Pro?

People who use MacBooks please your experiences

 

Thank you in advance 

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8 minutes ago, Sweetleftfoot said:

 

My setup is 5 active leagues with large database and Very high graphics 

 

Can the MacBook M2 Air handle the above or would I need a MacBook M2 Pro?

People who use MacBooks please your experiences

 

Thank you in advance 

If both have the same version of the M2 chip, they should in theory handle the game the same as each other.

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3 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

If both have the same version of the M2 chip, they should in theory handle the game the same as each other.

  • Apple M2 chip with 8‑core CPU, 10‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine for MacBook Air
  • Apple M2 Pro with 12‑core CPU, 19‑core GPU and 16‑core Neural Engine for MacBook Pro 14

My concerns are matters like heating up due to the lack of a fan in the Air and graphics.

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32 minutes ago, Sweetleftfoot said:
  • Apple M2 chip with 8‑core CPU, 10‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine for MacBook Air
  • Apple M2 Pro with 12‑core CPU, 19‑core GPU and 16‑core Neural Engine for MacBook Pro 14

My concerns are matters like heating up due to the lack of a fan in the Air and graphics.

Ok, that there shows that they have two different versions of the M2 chip.

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That benchmarking shows the M2 Pro does score a lot higher in multi-core tasking, so you'd likely see better processing speeds from the Pro.  As far as I know, graphics wise they're equal.  In terms of heat, the MacBook Air has been known to get warm under load, but nothing which should cause any issue.

It is worth mentioning that you could get equivalent performance for less money from a Windows based laptop when it comes to what you get with the MacBook Pro, so if you're not dead set on Apple that may be something to consider.

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1 hour ago, kevhamster said:

Ok, that there shows that they have two different versions of the M2 chip.

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That benchmarking shows the M2 Pro does score a lot higher in multi-core tasking, so you'd likely see better processing speeds from the Pro.  As far as I know, graphics wise they're equal.  In terms of heat, the MacBook Air has been known to get warm under load, but nothing which should cause any issue.

It is worth mentioning that you could get equivalent performance for less money from a Windows based laptop when it comes to what you get with the MacBook Pro, so if you're not dead set on Apple that may be something to consider.

I was using a MacBook Pro for 7yrs then switched to window 2.5 yrs go but want to switched back as the biggest annoyance is the battery duration with my HP Envy 15 and the lack of stability with windows. I know Apple products keep getting more expensive but they tend to last a lot longer and MacOS is a lot more stable. 
 

The heating up issues does bother me therefore M2 Air or Pro real life experience is what I really want know about from current users.

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2 hours ago, Sweetleftfoot said:

I was using a MacBook Pro for 7yrs then switched to window 2.5 yrs go but want to switched back as the biggest annoyance is the battery duration with my HP Envy 15 and the lack of stability with windows. I know Apple products keep getting more expensive but they tend to last a lot longer and MacOS is a lot more stable. 
 

The heating up issues does bother me therefore M2 Air or Pro real life experience is what I really want know about from current users.

Your best bet is probably posting in the thread below if you want info from current Mac users:

 

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Hi,

my current gaming laptop just doesn’t cut the mustard anymore, it’s alright for the first 5 to 6 years into an FM save but then it starts running extremely slow, so I’m in the market for a laptop that will run FM well for the next 2 to 3 years with multiple leagues. I’ve found one I like but I don’t want to buy it if within 2 years I will run into the same problems that I’m having now with regards to saves becoming incredibly slow 5 years into a save.

 

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/2078267
 

Will this meet my aims? I appreciate the GPU is a bit overkill for FM, just wondering if the CPU will cut the mustard for FM long term.

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14 minutes ago, BullishBull said:

Hi,

my current gaming laptop just doesn’t cut the mustard anymore, it’s alright for the first 5 to 6 years into an FM save but then it starts running extremely slow, so I’m in the market for a laptop that will run FM well for the next 2 to 3 years with multiple leagues. I’ve found one I like but I don’t want to buy it if within 2 years I will run into the same problems that I’m having now with regards to saves becoming incredibly slow 5 years into a save.

 

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/2078267
 

Will this meet my aims? I appreciate the GPU is a bit overkill for FM, just wondering if the CPU will cut the mustard for FM long term.

What is the spec for your current laptop?

 

The one you have shortlisted is an absolute beast, you shouldn't have any problem with FM series for 4-5 years from now at least. 

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5 minutes ago, Sweetleftfoot said:

What is the spec for your current laptop?

 

The one you have shortlisted is an absolute beast, you shouldn't have any problem with FM series for 4-5 years from now at least. 

Hi,

thanks for replying, my current laptop has an i7 8750H processor & GTX 1070 Max Q GPU, 16GB RAM.

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5 minutes ago, Sweetleftfoot said:

What is the spec for your current laptop?

 

The one you have shortlisted is an absolute beast, you shouldn't have any problem with FM series for 4-5 years from now at least. 

It is an absolute beast, but I don't think it's good value for the money.  At least not if FM is the only game you're wanting to play.

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/msi-crosshair-15-rainbow-six-extraction-edition-15.6-gaming-laptop-bundle-intel-core-i9-rtx-3070-1-tb-ssd-10238564.html

That's very close in terms of CPU performance and is less than half the price at £1,699 compared to £3999.  Yes, it's the RTX 3070, rather than the RTX 4090.  But for FM's purposes even the 3070 is absolute overkill.  With that one at Argos you're basically paying a huge amount for a powerful graphics card you don't need.

Of course, if you're wanting to include other modern AAA games then you may well get benefit by paying the extra.  But, purely for FM I'd go for the cheaper option.

@BullishBull

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4 minutes ago, BullishBull said:

Hi,

thanks for replying, my current laptop has an i7 8750H processor & GTX 1070 Max Q GPU, 16GB RAM.

Truthfully, that isn't terrible by current standard but if you are happy to spend on a new laptop, then you will see better performance.

 

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8 minutes ago, Jr35 said:

Is there anyone can play this fm games on windows tabs like huawei matebook or something else? I didn’t find anything about this on the internet. 

Do you own a specific device or have one in mind?  If so, post the link so I can take a look.  If it's a Windows device and meets the minimum specs then it should run the game.

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3 saat önce, kevhamster said:

Do you own a specific device or have one in mind?  If so, post the link so I can take a look.  If it's a Windows device and meets the minimum specs then it should run the game.

I don’t have device or any idea to get new one. Actually im thinking about to get new one but first need somebody to tell me its working nice on windows tablets (not so well for grafically-i would rather 2d matches) 

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1 hour ago, Hoarau said:

I'm piggy backing off a post earlier in the and asking what kind of performance with FM and 30+ leagues would the below give?

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/m9J85a0MVp/

As per the OP we can't speculate on how quickly the game will run with a specific setup, as how good or bad the speed is would be entirely subjective.

However, what that setup offers is excellent performance for the price.  The cheapest PC with that same CPU at Currys is £1,599.  Admittedly, that one does have a stronger graphics card, but for the purposes of FM what's on this build is more than enough in terms of GPU power.

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1 hour ago, Jr35 said:

I don’t have device or any idea to get new one. Actually im thinking about to get new one but first need somebody to tell me its working nice on windows tablets (not so well for grafically-i would rather 2d matches) 

If it's a device running the full version of Windows 10 or 11, then in terms of OS it's fine.  What you really need to do is look at some examples of ones you may buy and we can check out the spec of them for FM.

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29 minutes ago, rbnrbn said:

Can you please suggest the best laptop with good specs that I can buy for up to £1,000? Thank you

If FM is the only game you're thinking of playing, this one seems to be the best bet: https://www.currys.co.uk/products/msi-katana-gf66-12ud-15.6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-rtx-3050-ti-512-gb-ssd-10233989.html

If you're wanting to play other games, then let me know which other games you'd be playing as I'd probably suggest looking at ones with other graphics cards.

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22 hours ago, kevhamster said:

As per the OP we can't speculate on how quickly the game will run with a specific setup, as how good or bad the speed is would be entirely subjective.

However, what that setup offers is excellent performance for the price.  The cheapest PC with that same CPU at Currys is £1,599.  Admittedly, that one does have a stronger graphics card, but for the purposes of FM what's on this build is more than enough in terms of GPU power.

I upped the RAM to 32gig and bought it! 

Very excited, thanks for all the help and advice.

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On 08/03/2023 at 20:41, kevhamster said:

If FM is the only game you're thinking of playing, this one seems to be the best bet: https://www.currys.co.uk/products/msi-katana-gf66-12ud-15.6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-rtx-3050-ti-512-gb-ssd-10233989.html

If you're wanting to play other games, then let me know which other games you'd be playing as I'd probably suggest looking at ones with other graphics cards.

Thanks Kev, I would like to play DayZ & Rust. 

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