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jase19

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Originally posted by TL:

I've been using this tactic for ages and its been going well at home, but I just can't get it to work away. Any advice?

buy better players? you're not giving anyone much to work with.

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jimjimma

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I have given up using this as an away tactic. This is absolutely brilliant when i am at home but away, frankly its awful!

I have decided to go for another tactic on this forum that is more stable away from home, it has worked dividends for me so far. 1st season with everton, won the league cup, in the FA cup final, still in europe and 3rd in the league. Its not bad now i can pick up points on the road! Plus i like to think it confuses the hell out of the AI by having two different tactics that i use!!

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paulinho

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Originally posted by TL:

I've been using this tactic for ages and its been going well at home, but I just can't get it to work away. Any advice?

A few pages back there's a post with team setting changes for a counter attacking deeper lying away version of Vs2 of this tactic that works very well for me.

I think I've only lost 3 away games in 2 seasons.

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robertgee

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Hi.

I have just started to try this tactic having had a lot of joy with Beautifull Football. However recently that tactic had started to perform way below par.

I am AFC Telford in League 2 after 2 promotions in a row from Blue Square North. I am using V1 of the tactic after reading all the posts it seems to be the best one.

Tried this for 8 games so far and havent lost yet. Scored alot of goals, especially the left sided AMC (my player is an AMC/AML/ST with 16 for long shots and 14 for finishing) and only conceeded the odd goal here and there.

One area I would like a bit of a tip on is the use of the lone striker in the formation.

In my squad I have 3 or 4 strikers. One has electric pace, the other (Mazolla) is a bit of an all rounder and the other 2 are basically squad players (my board just sold my best striker).

Has anyone had any joy with ticking the target man box??? maybe I could try with instructions set to "run onto ball" and use my electric pace striker upfront?? Try and get the AMCS to find gaps and play him in??

I dont want to tweak it much as the clue is in the thread title.

My squad are not too bad for the league they are in but I obviously dont have Ronaldo, Fabregas etc etc at my disposal.

Great tactic so far and maybe with a bit of guidance it can become a Diablo for my squad at least

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Jase1982

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Originally posted by kimz:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jance:

Hello kimz and everyone else

This tactic seems really interesting so I will give it a try with Man Utd og Real Madrid.

But I don't know which tactic to use. v1 or v2? Which one should i use when facing:

- a strong team away

- a strong taem at home

- a weak team away

- a weak team at home

Would really appreciate if someone could help me here.

Thanks in advance

Looking forward trying both tactics

no matter which one you use, these tactic will battering your opp if you are MU or Real icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd like to elaborate on this and ask has anyone tried this with a lower league team?

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TL

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Replika's version seems to be slightly more succesful away from home, however sometimes the defnesive line needs dropping back a bit to prevent being caught napping by long balls over the top. Thanks a lot.

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Guest masher8

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Originally posted by Jase1982:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kimz:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jance:

Hello kimz and everyone else

This tactic seems really interesting so I will give it a try with Man Utd og Real Madrid.

But I don't know which tactic to use. v1 or v2? Which one should i use when facing:

- a strong team away

- a strong taem at home

- a weak team away

- a weak team at home

Would really appreciate if someone could help me here.

Thanks in advance

Looking forward trying both tactics

no matter which one you use, these tactic will battering your opp if you are MU or Real icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd like to elaborate on this and ask has anyone tried this with a lower league team? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I tried it with Forest Green in the conference. Won the league with no squad alterations (it was my first time in lower league management and I had no idea what I was doing). Next season after being given a transfer budget of £0 I made a couple of loan and free signings. We struggled to about mid table in the league by christmas, when I took the Aston Villa job. Overall it worked well but when completely outmatched it struggled.

In general I now adjust the mentality depending on what the other team seems to be doing and how attacking they are and I usually manage to be on top in almost every game home and away. The squad isn't brilliant, but we should win the league this season.

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this tactic is the best in fm2008, I won a lot of games, but I only have problems agains the 4-3-3 tactic, what can I do to win this tactic?

sorry of my english, I used v1

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martijnkh

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I have some questions about this tactic. Hope someone can help me.

- is this tactic succesfull with patch 8.0.1.?

- is there a way around entering the opp instruction before every game?

- what attributes are needed for each position?

- what (type of) players are known to be very succesfull in this tactic?

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bosli

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I use v1 with success for 5 seasons already. My recommedations to make this tactic more solid defensively:

1. Make all your defenders marking ZONAL, not MAN. Obviuosly, that man marking requires more strong defenders and it doesn't works with weaker teams.

2. Make your defencive line to 2 or 3 deep position.

3. Make your MC's marking zonal as well.

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kimz

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Originally posted by TL:

Hey Kimz,

Just wondered if you were planning on releasing an away version of this tactic?

Cheers for a great tactic by the way

now testing and tweaking v4 : 4-1-4-1, hope it will work well...... icon_smile.gif

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zicco

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Originally posted by tomeklis:

V3 is doesn't exist... yet. I played with V2 with Valencia in Spanish League and I wasn't happy with scores. Maybe I had a bad players for this tactic. Anybody knows which tactic is the best for Valencia ?icon_wink.gif

i am using v1 for my second season,i won spanish league with valencia,no in second season i am first after 10 games.In first season i bought elano and kompany,also reccomending good left defender,Armand is enoughticon_wink.gifenjoy

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Wen1234

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Just a question - since in this tactic, DMCs get into the winger positions when you have the ball and look to cross them in or cut in and shoot, should you used "all-rounded" DMCs who can cross/shoot as well, rather than specialised ones (eg. Mascherano) who are great defensively but usually have crap for crossing/shooting/finishing?

Similarly, because your FBs get into the DMC positions when you have the ball, do you need your FBs to have DMC-type stats? I'm currently using players who have both DMC and DL/DR as their positions, just in case.

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Liniert

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im having a large ammount of success with v2 tactic with Blackburn. currently in Febuary 2013, and second in the premiership 4 points behind Liverpool. ill post some pictures of the league tables and some of the better results.

last seasons league table

could have won it on the last day but results didnt go my way

Current table

going to have to really work hard, Liverpool beating everyone at the momment.

<A HREF="http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4589/60vn7.png" TARGET=_blank>6-0

completly destroyed Man United towards the end of last season

African cup of nations win</A>

won the ACN with Ivory Coast, didnt loose a single game.

8-1

complete demolition of Croatia

overall this is the best tactic ive used, ive even exported it over to football manager live and having success with it

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paulinho

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Originally posted by Wen1234:

Just a question - since in this tactic, DMCs get into the winger positions when you have the ball and look to cross them in or cut in and shoot, should you used "all-rounded" DMCs who can cross/shoot as well, rather than specialised ones (eg. Mascherano) who are great defensively but usually have crap for crossing/shooting/finishing?

Yes, very important IMO.

Also make sure you have a left footed or at least a 2 footed player in your left hand side DMC because he will be wide left most of the time.

Similarly, because your FBs get into the DMC positions when you have the ball, do you need your FBs to have DMC-type stats? I'm currently using players who have both DMC and DL/DR as their positions, just in case.

I currently have Miguel Veloso & Lassana Diarra as my Dmc's & Chiellini & Cerc as my fullbacks, they do very well although the DMC's the game seem biased against getting top ratings for the DMC's even if they play well.

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knap

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Would be interesting to see how VDB and Esparzza work with these tactics as both FBs and DMs and can play on wing. I believe Sankhare can also play DM and wing.

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Uranus242

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I'd say both v1 and v2 are quite good. But I think v1 is more defensive than v2, and v2 is more offensive. For me, rather than win like 5-3,3-2, I prefer 1-0,2-0,even 0-0, I just like clean sheet. So v1 seems more reliable. I am using Arsenal and win almost everthing in the first season except FA sixth round away against Everton. So, nice work,kim, you are famous now among the FM fans all over the world, carry on nice job!

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rekoil87

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Originally posted by knap:

Would be interesting to see how VDB and Esparzza work with these tactics as both FBs and DMs and can play on wing. I believe Sankhare can also play DM and wing.

sankhare develops brilliantly in that left DM slot

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TonyTurbo78

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im really struggling with any of these...Im playing as Notts Forrest, made a few signings and my team is generally alot better than any I play against. So far played 16 w1 d8 L7. I`m getting battered in possesion every match, im missing maybe 5 or 6 golden opportunitys every match with players averageing 14-17 finishing and im drawing so many games 1-1..This really is an awful formation indeed. Feels so narrow and unplayable. I cant see how so many of you guys are having success..Are you all using top teams with loads of money and buying all the best players???? try it with a poor team with no money to spend then come back and tell me this formation rocks

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TonyTurbo78

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Ok, I think I need a little help on this one. I must be missing something here because so many of you have had success with this tactic but I`m having nothing but nightmares at the moment. I`m being completely played off the park at present. I`m only getting between 30% and 35% possession every match. Everytime I`m bearing down on goal or have a half decent chance my shots are ALL going over the bar. How can I change my season here. Not won since my last post, been a goal up a few times but the other team always piles on so much pressure and has so many chances I cant keep them out. In need of some help maybe from the original poster please. It`s not like im a CM or FM noob, I`ve been playing since CM days back on my Amiga lol.

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kimz

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Originally posted by Manucho23:

how we should make opposition Ä°nstruction .. because with this tactic ( version 1 ) my team scored many goals but conceded many goals too :S help me plz

the most important players to make these tactics work, both v1 & v2 :

- GK : buy an excellent GK if possible, these tactics is an attacking formation, defending is the most difficult job

- All Defender : Use fast (15+ pace and acceleration) and high workrate (15+), and other excelent defending attribute if possible

- Left AMC : high finishing, long shot, flair, decision, technique

if i start a new season, players with that position will be my first attention

barzagli and van der vaart are my fist choice icon14.gif

other positions are my next concern if theres still available cash

for v2 DM pos : use good defending one, i dont care if they can crossing ball well or not, as long as they have a good defending attribute. their job are defending and distracting the opp DL & DR and creating space for 3AMC

and so the DL/DR job on v1, they dont need good winger attribute, but good defending attribute

use AMC on 3AMC pos, dont use FC or winger.....they wont work well

for SC use very fast striker againts good team like chelsea or Arsenal, there will be an open space for your SC againts that teams....bug maybe. my berbatov scores 5 goals againts chelsea on away game....4 goals running from middle of the pitch and beating GK..... 1 on 1 icon_biggrin.gif

center AMC : put very creative player with high passing, technique, decision, flair

hope it helps... icon_wink.gif

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kimz

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Originally posted by TonyTurbo78:

Ok, I think I need a little help on this one. I must be missing something here because so many of you have had success with this tactic but I`m having nothing but nightmares at the moment. I`m being completely played off the park at present. I`m only getting between 30% and 35% possession every match. Everytime I`m bearing down on goal or have a half decent chance my shots are ALL going over the bar. How can I change my season here. Not won since my last post, been a goal up a few times but the other team always piles on so much pressure and has so many chances I cant keep them out. In need of some help maybe from the original poster please. It`s not like im a CM or FM noob, I`ve been playing since CM days back on my Amiga lol.

please check your team talk, i use 'for the fans' alot, and never use 'you can win' never work imo

wrong team talk will messing everything, shot miss, defender not marking opp player, GK make an awful performance, players run slowly, etc.....

possession doesnt matter as long as your players scores alot.. icon_biggrin.gif

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the_clerk_82

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Originally posted by Jack Edwards:

.....Why have Farrows all the way to AMR, AML for the full backs when there mentality is defensive?

Looks a total RANDOM tactic to me.

Thats so when you're in possesion your full backs get forward and when u lose possesion their defensive mentality makes sure they get back to where they should be

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Originally posted by Jack Edwards:

.....Why have Farrows all the way to AMR, AML for the full backs when there mentality is defensive?

Looks a total RANDOM tactic to me.

This is a great tactic, anything but random.

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knap

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Scott

If using V1 take farrows off FBs and move outside AMCs to AML and AMR and farrow to as before. This is a good "normal" tactic.

Jack

If you can make these tactics more effective they will have to be banned!

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paulinho

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Originally posted by kimz:

- GK : buy an excellent GK if possible, these tactics is an attacking formation, defending is the most difficult job

- All Defender : Use fast (15+ pace and acceleration) and high workrate (15+), and other excelent defending attribute if possible

- Left AMC : high finishing, long shot, flair, decision, technique

if i start a new season, players with that position will be my first attention

barzagli and van der vaart are my fist choice icon14.gif

other positions are my next concern if theres still available cash

for v2 DM pos : use good defending one, i dont care if they can crossing ball well or not, as long as they have a good defending attribute. their job are defending and distracting the opp DL & DR and creating space for 3AMC

and so the DL/DR job on v1, they dont need good winger attribute, but good defending attribute

use AMC on 3AMC pos, dont use FC or winger.....they wont work well

for SC use very fast striker againts good team like chelsea or Arsenal, there will be an open space for your SC againts that teams....bug maybe. my berbatov scores 5 goals againts chelsea on away game....4 goals running from middle of the pitch and beating GK..... 1 on 1 icon_biggrin.gif

center AMC : put very creative player with high passing, technique, decision, flair

hope it helps... icon_wink.gif

Just a few comments on my experience with Vs2 of your excellent tactic.

Good defenders with 15+ Acceleration & pace are as rare as hens teeth, 14 is sufficient in my experience King, Fazio & David Luiz are great for me & none of their attributes are higher than 14 in these areas.

I have Angel Di Maria as my left sided AMC & although his finishing is way lower than the other 2 AMC's he scores loads, in my experience pace is just as important in this position.

Van der vaart is slightly better in the centre AMC position for me but generally VDV, Di Maria, Tevez, Aimar, Karimi, Guilherme & even Berbatov (if you retrain him) can all be rotated in any of these AMC positions with good results.

For DMC's defending attributes are most important but if they can cross & shoot as well they'll be even better.

You say use a fast striker against Chelsea & then say that Berbatov scores 5 against them, Berbatov isn't a fast striker icon_confused.gif .

I find any good striker will work well, fast or targetman or skillful, as long as they are reasonably intelligent & good finishers, (composure is a must) they will do well in my experience.

Thanks again for a fantastic tactic, the way the AI defences fail to cope with the 5 attacking players plus the centre AMC picking out passes to them is a joy to watch.

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Curuedhel

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I'm using v1 and finding it highly effective with my Man City team.

However, I'm always bugged when tactics don't look like tactics that a real team would use - i.e. they work because they exploit the AI rather than because they're good, sound footballing tactics.

So I'm using v1 and trying to learn from it what makes it so effective so that I can use it to generate my own next generation of 'normal' tactics.

Nice job kimz, I'm well impressed.

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Mike_Cardinal

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Okay guys, after seeing all the success this has got I've decided to build a team around it on a new game as Shakhtar, as they've got BUCKETS of money.

As I can more or less fulfill any requirements, what sort of players are recommended in EVERY position from all your experiences, please be as detailed as possible.

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