georginho_juventusygr Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 That is why Van Persie is the first choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Van der Vaart on for Van Bommel Huntelaar on for Van Persie Yet another 35 minutes to prove yourself, Huntelaar... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Kuyt on for Sneijder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Van der Vaart on for Van BommelHuntelaar on for Van Persie Yet another 35 minutes to prove yourself, Huntelaar... Not fair for Huntelaar. The team has to be the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Schaars on for Willems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 6-0 Ron Vlaaaaaaaaaaar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Not fair for Huntelaar. The team has to be the same. Oh please, even Ron Vlaar scores... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Narsingh on for Robben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Would be funny if Narsingh scores and Hunter ends up with 0 for today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 6-0 full time result - not too shabby then; kind of reminds one of the 6-1 victory over Hungary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrik Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Would be funny if Narsingh scores and Hunter ends up with 0 for today. Yep. He didn't get any decent ball. Too bad. This is exactly what vMarwijk wanted, everything is now right to justify the choise for RvP. Ohh man, Robin better rock this EC, otherwise I will be super pissed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I honestly think Bert's making a mistake as I mean if you're looking on this season's form (at club level) then Huntelaar is 1st choice and then when you look beyond that and look at NT form it's Huntelaar again. He should incorporate both but if RvP doesn't step up at the Euros (like his anonymity in the WC) and the goals don't come from midfielders, I wonder what Bert will do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrik Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Yeah. But Huntelaar is almost everything the Dutch people dislike about football (not me, I am a huge fan of the Hunter). He lacks in almost every possible technical skill. The only thing he can do is finishing, but he's world class on that aspect. But why would it be so hard to play them both? Robin had a fantastic WC 06' and EC 08' and he played there in a free role on the wings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Because Sneijder has to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Because Sneijder has to play. Robben-Sneijder-RvP -------Hunter------ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 2, 2012 Robben Huntelaar Narsingh Afellay van Persie van der Vaart Sneijder van Bommel de Jong Kuyt Stekelenburg There Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Robben-Sneijder-RvP-------Hunter------ Van Persie isn't a Robben. The former holds up play, and the latter is a winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Afellay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 Not fair for Huntelaar. The team has to be the same.Agreed hereOh please, even Ron Vlaar scores...ha ha, still think he is a better option then Bouma, although Bert stated that MAthijsen will be fit for the first gameYeah. But Huntelaar is almost everything the Dutch people dislike about football (not me, I am a huge fan of the Hunter). He lacks in almost every possible technical skill. The only thing he can do is finishing, but he's world class on that aspect.Yeah, in most other countries he would be adored..But why would it be so hard to play them both? Robin had a fantastic WC 06' and EC 08' and he played there in a free role on the wings. Did RvP had fantastic Euro08 and WC06? Euro08 I would say Robben/Sneijder were fantastic and on WC06 it wasn;t good at all goals from Robben, RvP and RvN... Robben Huntelaar NarsinghAfellay van Persie van der Vaart Sneijder van Bommel de Jong Kuyt Stekelenburg There The lone Sweeper tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Don't know the Willems fella at left-back, first-cap - highly-rated prospect?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 No other option Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 No other option We have other (at this moment probably better) options, but Bert decided not to bring them (Urby, Anita) or are injured (Pieters). Have really no idea why he brought Schaars as LB otpion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepydude Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Willems seems to be a good prospect, but he's totally unproven. If he can overcome his nerves I think he might do ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 He has done well so far. He's ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedrik Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 The only problem he can face will be nerves and not being able with handling the pressure. Seen his quality's I don't think he's worse than Pieters, seen his attacking skills I maybe even tend to say he is better than Pieters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 He can handle the pressure. The friendlies have shown this. The only issue you'll get probably is if he makes a costly mistake and whether he'll be able to pick himself up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 You can't approach games thinking 'how will he react to a mistake' though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 No. But it will be interesting. The defense isn't rock-solid. Anything can happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Snellink Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Holland's not had a world-class defense in a decade, though, it's why we learn to defend up the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 3, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 3, 2012 Willems seems allright, but he has (for Holland) only been tested against Bulgaria and Northern Ireland. Not particular great calibre opponents. Normally Erik Pieters would have played. Van Marwijk now decided to go for Willems, Schaars or Bouma which are all three not particularly logical options. You also have Emanuelson, Anita and maybe even Drenthe. Van Marwijk reckons that they shouldn't be used there because it's not their natural positions. (Coincidentally Schaars hasn't played there since youth and Bouma not for several seasons either) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 We have other (at this moment probably better) options, but Bert decided not to bring them (Urby, Anita) or are injured (Pieters). Have really no idea why he brought Schaars as LB otpion I meant in the 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 ^ ok, then yes you are correct. He, Willems, seems fine, but has not been really tested.... Bulgaria, N. Ireland, B. Munich II Wonder how he will do against the real (no offense) good teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Holland's not had a world-class defense in a decade, though, it's why we learn to defend up the pitch. We've never had a world-class defence ever. The only world-class defender we had a decade ago was Jaap Stam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Snellink Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 and De Boer. I personally think that the lineup of vd sar reiziger stam de boer <lb> where <lb> is your choice of numan, bogarde, zenden, cocu, bouma, v bronckhorst was pretty strong compared to most defenses out there at the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Of course Winston Bogarde with his strong mentality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Snellink Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Hahaha, just because Bogarde decided to take full advantage of Chelsea's idiocy doesn't mean he wasn't a solid defender in the mid- to late 90's, though not by any stretch world class. I stand by the rest of that list Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Bogarde Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 We've never had a world-class defence ever. The only world-class defender we had a decade ago was Jaap Stam. He you are back, were have you been Robbert? and De Boer. I personally think that the lineup of vd sar reiziger stam de boer <lb> where <lb> is your choice of numan, bogarde, zenden, cocu, bouma, v bronckhorst was pretty strong compared to most defenses out there at the time would take numan, not a bad back 5 I would say Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I was quite serious about Bogarde. He was good at Chelsea. Of course with Celestine Babayaro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 He you are back, were have you been Robbert? On a jobhunt, that's where I've been! Place I worked had to downscale so I was made redundant, which rather sucks donkey balls in the current climate. So my attention has been diverted to other places than here lately. You can tell me to stop slacking and get my priorities straight now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhammad Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Wading into the RvP VS KJH debate, I'd prefer RVP - I just think he brings something special to the table. He can go round men and produce something when you don't expect anything to be possible, which is always helpful in a tournament like this. Saying that, I love Huntelaar. Stekelenburg is my favourite 'keeper, so for that and the reason that I like the majority of Dutch players and my dad's best mate lives in Holland, they're my second team for the tournament Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Snellink Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I feel like RvP rarely shows up at international level, last major tournament there were several times where he needed too many touches and ended up squandering otherwise good chances on goal, I don't know if it was pressure or what, maybe he's matured past that, he certainly seems to have done well at Arsenal the past two years, almost has me convinced that he's a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Bear in mind, at the WC 2010 van Persie was still coming back from a lengthy injury (6 months, if memory serves) so that would account for his lack of form at the tournament. Still, it was frustrating to watch, or rather van Marwijk's insistence on retaining him was frustrating. Chances are he'll do better this time. On the other hand, Klaas-Jan Huntelaar also brings something different to the table, in that he will always score goals, at any level, without even having to play well. Now that Pippo Inzaghi is 144 years of age (or thereabouts), he's one of the few classic strikers left in the game. Having said that, he's more reliant on good service than van Persie, and with Sneijder not exactly being the most selfless player on the planet (this is an understatement), that might be a disadvantage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendsill Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Personally I´d rather see the Hunter upfront, but that only works well if there are players on the wings providing him with balls to put into goal. There was this one match, think it was Bulgaria where v. Marwijk put v. Persie and v.d. Vaart on the wings. Playing like that will render the Hunter uselesss. When watching v. Persie upfront, I feel like how robbert_o154 put it so eloquently. Let's hope v. Persie proves us wrong bigtime... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 On a jobhunt, that's where I've been! Place I worked had to downscale so I was made redundant, which rather sucks donkey balls in the current climate. So my attention has been diverted to other places than here lately. You can tell me to stop slacking and get my priorities straight now. Hope you found something... my wife had the same 1,5 year ago.....I feel like RvP rarely shows up at international level, last major tournament there were several times where he needed too many touches and ended up squandering otherwise good chances on goalExactly this, I would start with Klaas, as robbert stated, he is the next pippo, but does depends on feeds from other players (passes or shots he can tap in).So, all nervous? I am going to Watch Ned - Ger in Denmark, (will arrive in Denmark the day after we play them), should be fun I hope.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Not that nervous now, fairly confident about the first game (I just jinxed it didn't I? ). Think the nervousness will hit before the second game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 Second game will be crucial, no matter if we win, draw of loose the first, has enormous pressure, because: It is against Germany If we lost first game, we must win If we drew first game we must win if we won first game we must win (then we are sure of qualification of KO round in normal situation) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 So basically we must win the second match? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendsill Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 So basically we must win the second match? Winning the second match is a must because it is Germany, otherwise we might get "hits" like this classic: ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 K So basically we must win the second match? well, yes, you say it like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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