Popular Post crusadertsar Posted December 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) Is it Possible in a Football Manager Game? my original article can be found here: https://dictatethegame.com/2019/12/06/recreating-total-football-in-fm20/ 1974. To some football enthusiasts (and Ajax fans), this was the year when football reached its apotheosis as a sport. The highest point in the development of the beautiful game, when it was the closest it would ever be to an art-form. Some would even argue that the game has been on the downturn ever since, as the sport gets more and more violent and mechanical and VAR discussions dominate the media. But let's go back to the Summer of 1974 when Ajax, Johan Cruyff and Netherlands dominated Europe. Let us recreate the magic of Dutch Total Football! "In my team, the goalie is the first attacker, and the striker the first defender". - Johan Cruyff Dutch Totaalvoetbal was unique in how it revolutionized the movement of the ball. It preached dynamic positional swapping, as every player played in every position. At times this left the opposition clueless. The world never saw anything like it before. And after the Dutch dream team of the 1970s dissolved, there hasn't been anything like it. Football historians of course will state that Barcelona's Tiki-Taka and Guardiolas's Juego de Posición system are natural continuations of Dutch Total Football. I would argue that while they retain some of the elements of Totaalvoetbal, they are not quiet the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNkQxY0yCno "The only team I've seen that did things differently was Holland at the 1974 World Cup. Since then everything looks more or less the same to me. Their 'carousel' style of play was amazing to watch and marvelous for the game." - Carlos Alberto Torres, captain of Brazil's 1970 World Cup-winning team. Defining Total Football It is easy to confuse Total Football of 1970s with the more modern systems such as Barcelona's Tiki-Taka or Gegenpress. After-all, many modern managers such as Pep Guardiola, Marcelo Bielsa and Jurgen Klopp, were influenced by the Dutch free-flowing approach. Johan Cruyff himself was instrumental in bringing the Dutch football culture to Barcelona which defined its club DNA ever since. But while Total Football, as first played by Ajax and the Dutch National Team, took high defensive line pressing and very technical play to whole new levels, those things were not its only defining aspects. For that we need to look at the name itself. What does "total" stand for in Total Football? To start we need to put Total Football in the context of its time and place. Netherlands in the early 1970s was a veritable Mecca for free-spirited liberalism that defined that era. In their typical fashion, the Dutch embraced the revolution that was happening in politics and culture at the time and made it their own. In that they went one step further by applying the new liberal mentality to the field of sports. Total Football was their answer to the rigid systems that dominated football scene up to that point. And neither Italian Catenaccio nor the very English 4-4-2 could stand a chance against the new Dutch 4-3-3. Yet the shape by itself was not what made Total Football. Although as I will show soon, there were reasons why it fit the system so well. Space is Key The "Total" in Total Football is a reference to its two key elements, complete positional fluidity and utilization of the space to the fullest. Pressing and possession were just tools used to put pressure on the opposition. Alone they allowed Ajax to gain optimal scoring positions and dictate the play on their own terms. As the opponents scrambled to react to Cruyff and co's smart movements, space was freed up. The need to consistently create space was key to the concept of Total Football. Hence it was the fluid positioning and spatial awareness that most defined Total Football. And not just high possession, pressing and short passing which became the main aspects of tiki-taka and gegenpressing. So while these two schools of football learned from Total Football, they did not recreate it. You can't take Mo Salah from his advanced attacker position and plomp him down in defensive midfield and except Liverpool's gegenpress to work as well. While in Dutch 4-3-3 Cruyff had no qualms in interchanging positions with midfielders. Total Football happened because of the coming together of two people in the right place and time. The time and place were right because of the earlier mentioned innovation in technology and culture of 1960s Netherlands. Also it was at the best possible club. Amsterdam's Ajax. Not surprisingly the Dutch club was famous for championing youthful development and openness to difference. There the paths of two individuals crossed. The two were Rinus Michels and Johan Cruyff. The Tale of Two Visionaries The creation of Total Football can be attributed to Johan Cruyff, probably the most famous Dutch footballer of all time, and his manager at Ajax (and later at the Dutch national team and Barcelona) Rinus Michels. The earlier quote comparing Dutch style of playing to carousel, is spot on. Ajax really played like no other and it started under Michels. What differentiated Rinus Michel's teams from those that came before and after is in how players covered each other on the field. It involved a whole lot of vertical switching and position swapping as players seamlessly moved into spaces liberated by their teammates. There is some exaggeration there, due to the legend build around it. I doubt that Cruyff excelled as much as a fullback as he did in dropping deep and helping in the midfield battle. Much in the same way that De Bruyne or David Silva do today. Rinus Michels used his own playing experience and knowledge of football history to come up a fluid tactical system. The idea that any player should be able to play any position on the field as well the fluidity of movement were not completely new at the time. Several prior teams already found success practicing a type of Total Football philosophy without calling it that. Jack Reynolds laid the foundations while he managed Ajax through the 20s and 40s. Michels learned under him as a player. In Hungary Gustav Sebes created magic with the Hungarian national team during 1950s. Hungarians astounded all with their free-flowing passing and shadow movement. The Magical Magyars in turn drew inspiration from the English tactical pioneer Jimmy Hogan. Also in the 50s, Harry Potts led Burnley to win the English League title by using the system of fluid positional interchange. So the concept of a fluid football was not all that original even before 1974. Not even the False 9 striker role that facilitated this fluidity (by dropping very deep) was new to Ajax. In fact, one of the inspirations for Hungary's Golden Team and the way Puskas played was the Argentinian club River Plate. Dubbed La Máquina (The Machine) since it perfected the "false nine" role and used the interchangeable attack roles as "cogs" in the machine. Even the high press that the Dutch became known for, was concurrently developed by Viktor Maslov at Dynamo Kyiv. While he perfected Total Football at Ajax, Michels was lucky to have a perfect False 9, Johan Cruyff, playing for him. Cruyff understood what Michels was trying to do immediately and instinctively. He was an exceptionally intelligent footballer who used his tactical brain and sublime technique to outsmart opponents, exploit space and direct teammates. Thus Cruyff served as the on-field general for Michel's Total Football army. He eventually became synonymous with Total Football style. One cannot talk about Total Football without mentioning Johan Cruyff and the False 9, a role he made his own. Simple Football "Playing football is very simple, but playing simple football is the hardest thing there is". - Johan Cruyff Total Football is not easy to recreate faithfully in Football Manager. Its success depends much on the players, in particular their ability to quickly switch positions in context to on-field situation or to confuse opponents. It requires them to be comfortable in multiple roles. For this you will probably need very intelligent and technical players. Also, having a player that moves out of his position be replaced by teammate from another position is not something that FM20 can model accurately. Ideally in the fluid Total Football system no outfield player is fixed in a predetermined role. Anyone can successively play as a striker, midfielder or defender. The only player who must stay relatively put is the keeper. And even then Ajax's keepers played as liberos sometimes. The best we can do is try to make the tactic as fluid as possible with plenty of roaming roles and a lot of individual license for player expression. And of course it all falls apart if you do not have a team full of intelligent team players and hard workers. So starting from the top, naturally you will need a very good False 9. This will probably be your team's best player and one the whole tactic will center around. On both sides of the "striker"(I'm calling him a striker but he really should be your forward/attacking midfielder/defensive midfielder all in one) you have two creative wide players. Both need to be roaming, creative roles but one needs to be more of an attacker/runner. He will focus more on aggressively exploiting the space created by the false 9. The other winger will focus more on support. Flanking the false 9 are also two mezzalas. I tried to make their roles complimentary to the wingers. So the right mezzala is on attack and the one on support is behind the left attacking winger. In the middle, contributing to the strong backbone of the tactic, is the central midfielder on defend. But this should be not your typical destroyer/hard tackler. Rather I envision someone who is both very creative and defensively responsible (decent positioning) like Christian Eriksen or Lo Celso. So this is how I would make up the first three lines in the 4-3-3. The main advantage of sticking to this classic Dutch formation is the ease with which you can control possession by having three attackers and three midfielders. So despite its legend of fluidity, the Dutch team of 1974 still stuck to a pretty traditional 4-3-3 shape. That meant having a tackler (Wim Jansen), a runner (Johan Neeskens) and a passer (Willem van Hanegem). In attack there was of course the false 9 Johan Cruyff and two wide attackers – Johnny Rep and Rob Rensenbrink. Swap to Success! Another, hidden benefit of using a 4-3-3 to recreate Total Football in Football Manager is due to position swapping. I modeled the vertical position switching, by having each player in attack match another player in midfield. What I mean is that I assign each one of the three attackers, to swap with another player from midfield. The false 9 will be switching with the attacking mezzala, raumdeuter with mezzala (support), and central midfielder with winger (support). It helps when you have a team with attackers and midfielder who are all adept in attack, defense and creation. And even though I use a raumdeuter role, it is mostly for its more aggressive, roaming, space exploitation aspects. It plays somewhat different when you use a creative player like Christian Eriksen there. To reiterate on the position swapping, I want my striker to spend as much time in the midfield as in attack. While the central midfielder ideally will act as a wide attacker half the time. Partly this will confuse the opponent and make it harder for them to individually mark my players. But also I want my players to recreate the element of unexpected that made Holland so difficult to play against in the 1970s. You will also notice that I use no playmaking roles. That is because ideally, all of your front six should have the mental and technical ability to be a playmaker. The point of the tactic is to give them as much freedom as possible to dictate the game. To both create and finish. Here is where stylistically the style of Total Football blurs somewhat with Brazilian Joga Bonito style. And even in its time, the Dutch footballers were sometimes seen as Europe's answer to Brazilians. All you need is teamwork ... ...With a good serving of technique and tactical understanding. Those I would say are the three main characteristics for any player in Total Football system. As you see in the image above, they featured prominently in the 14 rules that Cruyff came up with in his autobiography. They now serve a guideline to the Johan Cruyff Award, given to outstanding young Dutch footballers. In developing my Total Football tactic I would like to take four of them to use as a guideline to define the required attributes for the ideal Total Football DNA. Team Player - Teamwork, Work Rate and Determination. Technique - Technique, Passing, First Touch Tactical Understanding - Anticipation, Composure, Decisions, Positioning Off the Ball, and Vision. Creativity - Flair And one that is not up there but is still very important, is Stamina. Total Football can be very demanding both mentally and physically. Having decent marking, tackling and positioning across all positions is always a bonus. Especially because we are using a very fluid mentality and asking all your players to do a lot. To elaborate, I do not mean that only the above attributes are required for a good Total Football system. You will definitely need very well-rounded players, meaning decently good in almost all attributes. But if they excel in the ones listed, the tactic should be that much more effective. So once you have a good core of players with these attributes then you can start building your Total Football system around them. Thus it is probably one of the hardest tactical approaches in Football Manager simply because the very specific players needed. There are few teams outside of Barcelona or Liverpool that have such players from the get-go. But through careful transfers and some luck in youth development, it is very achievable. Even Ajax itself is not a bad candidate. They have three or four players that fit the criteria while some of their young prospects have enough potential to be molded into it. However if you want a fun experiment with Total Football from the start, then the best team is a rather surprising one. The perfect team that you can use to recreate Total Football in FM20 is actually Tottenham. Spurs have a number of players who personify Cruyff's ideal of hard working and intelligent team players. Their front six are also very creative. They have five players that could easily be the primary playmaker on a mid-level team. I created a player selection screen custom filter which outlines all the required attributes for Total Football, in my opinion. As you can see the Spur's First Team possesses quite a few of them, based on the amount of green. I was not able to include the download for this due to time restraints. For those who are interested, I will be updating the article with both the filter and the tactic itself. Check back very late tonight. Legacy of Total Football We must not forget the debt that managers such as Marcelo Bielsa and Pep Guardiola have to the brilliant work of Rinus Michels and Johan Cruyff. It is no secret that both Bielsa and Pep depend on their players switching positions or acting in unusual ways (such as a midfielder playing as an inverted wingback). In fact Guardiola's famously successful Positional Play with its vertical overloads is only possible because of Total Football. And as I hope this article showed it is a uniquely influential tactical philosophy. It might be difficult to recreate but at least theoretically should be possible in FM20. Hopefully you enjoyed this read. For any suggestions or comments, please let me know below. If there is enough interest I might do an update feature or two. Total Tottenham ? Feel free to follow us @ Dictate The Game’s Facebook and Dictate The Game’s Twitter Other articles you might like: https://dictatethegame.com/2019/11/29/young-devils-creating-overloads-2-0/ https://dictatethegame.com/2019/12/04/anchorman-fm20-the-unsung-hero-of-player-roles/ https://dictatethegame.com/2018/11/21/dynamo-project-part-3-highlighting-the-pressing-forward-in-fm19/ As promised I am attaching the Tactic and my custom DNA view Total Football DNA.fmf Total Football.fmf Edited December 16, 2019 by crusadertsar 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMunderachiever Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 I cant wait to see this. Could read your threads all day. Amazing 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusadertsar Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, FMunderachiever said: I cant wait to see this. Could read your threads all day. Amazing Thank you mate! I'll keep writing them lol Edited December 7, 2019 by crusadertsar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Now this is my kind of thread. Total Football AND a club DNA. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coach vahid Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 How it looks like in ME... Do you use PI for emulate this ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Scouser Tommy Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 This is very, very good. I'm not using a 4-3-3 but trying to build a DNA type strategy in my Wolves save with a similar pathway. There's an awful lot to consider. There are a few things that I almost demand of myself in the system I setup and use, certain roles within the structure and this is no different. I'm really looking forward to reading more of this as it's caught my eye and not a lot does anymore I've been playing the game for so long. Keep it coming. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusadertsar Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, coach vahid said: How it looks like in ME... Do you use PI for emulate this ? I just updated the original post with download for my tactic with all the instructions for what it is worth. This project is really much about getting the right players and not so much nitpicking the team instructions. I basically just added all the one I felt were key to Total Football style from watching old videos and some new ones such as the one by Tifo and reading excellent Inverting the Pyramid by Jonathan Wilson. I only use a few PIs that i recall. The only ones being to add roaming instructions to players who do not already have it hard-coded (except for central midfielder) and telling the inverted winger to run wider and the attacking mezzala to dribble more to make him a little more selfish in getting forward. So far only ran it in a few friendlies and the team is far from comfortable with it. It will take time, especially all the switching that the front three will need to do with the midfield three. But so far I was very happy with Harry Kane. Had him switching with Dele and playing as attacking mezzala for half the match. Don't think the opposition (AS Roma) expected that and couldn't really cope with his movement and deep ball control. He might not be Cruyff but I love the physicality he brings to False 9 role and to midfield. Thanks for reading! Edited December 7, 2019 by crusadertsar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusadertsar Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Old Scouser Tommy said: This is very, very good. I'm not using a 4-3-3 but trying to build a DNA type strategy in my Wolves save with a similar pathway. There's an awful lot to consider. There are a few things that I almost demand of myself in the system I setup and use, certain roles within the structure and this is no different. I'm really looking forward to reading more of this as it's caught my eye and not a lot does anymore I've been playing the game for so long. Keep it coming. Thank you for reading and for the follow and glad that you enjoyed it. I think I meant this to be a little side-project, one-time feature to break from my bigger long-term Young Devils series (also on this forum if you are interested) but now that I'm getting into it I'm starting to get drawn in haha. To be honest I have never really paid that much attention to player DNA in any of my previous saves, except to consider which attributes are optimal for whichever role I was using in a tactic. But now after having planned this one out, I am loving the structure and focus that it brings to my save. It is rather refreshing! Really forces you to scout and shop smartly. And to consider youth with a critical eye. Starting to see certain older players with a new eye too. SO I think you might just see more updates on this as I get more into the save Edited December 7, 2019 by crusadertsar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazingortega Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Do you think aubameyang will function well as a false nine or will be better as a RMD on the left wing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w_x Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 This is really interesting stuff. Any reason you haven't gone for counter-press? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusadertsar Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Amazingortega said: Do you think aubameyang will function well as a false nine or will be better as a RMD on the left wing I think he would be better as Raumdeuter for sure. If you are playing as Arsenal you should have good chemistry between Lacazette and Ozil sharing the False 9 spot. Lacazette is much more creative than Aubameyang. Have him switching with Ozil in attacking mezzala position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusadertsar Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 2 hours ago, w_x said: This is really interesting stuff. Any reason you haven't gone for counter-press? Good question Im still in tactical tweaking phase. I considered it and might still add later on. But i figured that having high defensive line and aggressive closing down should be enough. Didn't want to overkill it. Also, I don't like at time how counter press can make teams lose their shape and go chasing opposition around like a bunch of headless chickens. I prefer them keeping tight and close to each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusadertsar Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) Followup coming here soon (tomorrow) Edited December 15, 2019 by crusadertsar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milestobudapest Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Great thread! I'll definitely be following along. I imagine training will be a key part in moulding the players to be total footballers. Do you have schedules already made? What sort of individual training will you implement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusadertsar Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 4 hours ago, milestobudapest said: Great thread! I'll definitely be following along. I imagine training will be a key part in moulding the players to be total footballers. Do you have schedules already made? What sort of individual training will you implement? Thanks! Indeed training is a big part of it. The individual training I've been using is actually modified gegenpress. With focus on fitness and equal attention to attack and defence. Again theme being that you are trying to develop very well rounded footballers capabale of playing both in attack and defence. Also i always try to get the best technical coaches, usually from Portugal or Spain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusadertsar Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 I decided to merge this and my Young Devils series so Part 2 is here: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nextqprmanager Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 A great thread - I am very interested in this. I tried to replicate the great Ajax Team 1970-73 on Fifa 20, with no luck ; but on FM20 there is hope. How do I go about finding the right players [ most difficult / expensive one is surely Cruyff ]? , can I download tactics from your original post straight into my game?, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusadertsar Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, nextqprmanager said: A great thread - I am very interested in this. I tried to replicate the great Ajax Team 1970-73 on Fifa 20, with no luck ; but on FM20 there is hope. How do I go about finding the right players [ most difficult / expensive one is surely Cruyff ]? , can I download tactics from your original post straight into my game?, thanks. This is my Crujff at the moment. So yes you will need a pretty special player. Very well rounded jack of all trades but also a smart playmaker type. A natural leader. And you can download it straight into your game. The latest version is actually here and is a little different from the one I described in the original article. Tactic Download Link: https://ufile.io/rqjns0g4 Edited February 2, 2020 by crusadertsar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Rvd Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 02/02/2020 at 09:33, crusadertsar said: This is my Crujff at the moment. So yes you will need a pretty special player. Very well rounded jack of all trades but also a smart playmaker type. A natural leader. And you can download it straight into your game. The latest version is actually here and is a little different from the one I described in the original article. Tactic Download Link: https://ufile.io/rqjns0g4 This tactic plays some amazing football. Really enjoying it. Definitely needs time for your team to get used to it. My favourite kind of player is an all rounder, so i think my team was set up well already for this tactic. One of the highlights its this tactic can slowly build up play and also be very lethal on the counter. The left back on my team is phenomenal now with IWB(at). He plays pretty much like Gareth Bale vs inter for spurs back in the day. @crusadertsar I have a couple of questions. Would appreciate greatly if you could help out. - I am not a top team but get 6th every season (three times in a row), so my players are not the best in the league. How should I adapt if its 0-0 at 80 minutes and playing newcastle with all 11 players camped in their own box? I have a load of chances and just cant get the breakthrough but thats football. Would like advice on how to go more attacking without removing the integrity of the tactic. - I can't afford to buy a right back at the minute and main one is injured. My sub right back is not total football worthy. Any ideas on what I should change the rb slot to just until I can get a replacement? He makes the flow of the tactic terrible with his 9 vision and 11 passing and first touch. He sometimes shoots from the halfway line for no reason lol. Thanks for your help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nextqprmanager Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Yeah I think I would have to try this tactic with a mid-top team, because you need the players`. Bolton atm is not gonna cut it. I am interested to see if this tactic is successful in winning things?, thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusadertsar Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Irn Rvd said: This tactic plays some amazing football. Really enjoying it. Definitely needs time for your team to get used to it. My favourite kind of player is an all rounder, so i think my team was set up well already for this tactic. One of the highlights its this tactic can slowly build up play and also be very lethal on the counter. The left back on my team is phenomenal now with IWB(at). He plays pretty much like Gareth Bale vs inter for spurs back in the day. @crusadertsar I have a couple of questions. Would appreciate greatly if you could help out. - I am not a top team but get 6th every season (three times in a row), so my players are not the best in the league. How should I adapt if its 0-0 at 80 minutes and playing newcastle with all 11 players camped in their own box? I have a load of chances and just cant get the breakthrough but thats football. Would like advice on how to go more attacking without removing the integrity of the tactic. - I can't afford to buy a right back at the minute and main one is injured. My sub right back is not total football worthy. Any ideas on what I should change the rb slot to just until I can get a replacement? He makes the flow of the tactic terrible with his 9 vision and 11 passing and first touch. He sometimes shoots from the halfway line for no reason lol. Thanks for your help. I would do what Bielsa would. Use a good midfielder with decent pace and crossing as your rightback. I wish I had an easy answer to those times when the other team is camping out and you just cannot generate anything. I had my moments too where i was stumped with 0-0 scoreline. My advise is to try not to change too much. Maybe try mirrored version of tactic in case the other flank is weaker. Or bring up tempo one notch. If the opponent is playing very narrow in front of their net then try increasing your own width by adding play wider shout. Throw on some fresh fast attacking subs. I usually keep one super sub striker in reserve for games like that. So as you can see there's is unfortunately no one sure answer. But keep on trying! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Rvd Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 40 minutes ago, crusadertsar said: I would do what Bielsa would. Use a good midfielder with decent pace and crossing as your rightback. I wish I had an easy answer to those times when the other team is camping out and you just cannot generate anything. I had my moments too where i was stumped with 0-0 scoreline. My advise is to try not to change too much. Maybe try mirrored version of tactic in case the other flank is weaker. Or bring up tempo one notch. If the opponent is playing very narrow in front of their net then try increasing your own width by adding play wider shout. Throw on some fresh fast attacking subs. I usually keep one super sub striker in reserve for games like that. So as you can see there's is unfortunately no one sure answer. But keep on trying! haha that makes total sense. My main right back is a leeds wonderkid who was initially a CM. He got moved there when the other right back got sent off, and has remained ever since. I have tried the mirror version before and I think it works. I thought it was just a coincidence but now that you said it, it may not be. I have not tried the fresh attacking sub before though. This could be a good trick, espeically in the IF(a) slot. Thanks for your help. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Rvd Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Whats your opinion of the striker role in your tactic? I was not getting much luck with the PF(s). The IF(a) and the PF(s) were getting in the way of each other alot. I tried DLF(a) but he was not getting involved in the build up much, but did provide through ball opportunities but these 1v1 never go in anyway, so it was kinda pointless. Im using DLF(s) and it seems to be really good for the counter but he doesn't seem to get in the six yard box when we have heavy possession outside the oppositions box. Are you still using PF(s)? Thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusadertsar Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Irn Rvd said: Whats your opinion of the striker role in your tactic? I was not getting much luck with the PF(s). The IF(a) and the PF(s) were getting in the way of each other alot. I tried DLF(a) but he was not getting involved in the build up much, but did provide through ball opportunities but these 1v1 never go in anyway, so it was kinda pointless. Im using DLF(s) and it seems to be really good for the counter but he doesn't seem to get in the six yard box when we have heavy possession outside the oppositions box. Are you still using PF(s)? Thanks, I think ideal role would be complete forward on support. Probably most total football generalist role you can get. Unfortunately at United i don't have anybody yet that can fit that role outside of playing a midfielder like Oyarzabal there. My current strikers are just not technical enough. Wish I had Aguero haha. Recently I purchased a Brazilian wonderkid who I hope can grow into it. Otherwise I am still using Pressing Forward on Support with mixed results. Edited February 4, 2020 by crusadertsar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Rvd Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, crusadertsar said: I think ideal role would be complete forward on support. Probably most total football generalist role you can get. Unfortunately at United i don't have anybody yet that can fit that role outside of playing a midfielder like Oyarzabal there. My current strikers are just not technical enough. Wish I had Aguero haha. Recently I purchased a Brazilian wonderkid who I hope can grow into it. Otherwise I am still using Pressing Forward on Support with mixed results. Haha yeah first season aguero would be amazing. I’m gonna go on the hunt for one now! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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