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  1. Possibly your tactic is good for being an "underdog" as your Burton result showed when you were the underdog, but allows the weaker opponents too much room to counter you or target specific weaknesses you have. Ive seen you post a tactic previously and its pretty gung ho, does it actually suit your players? Is it actually a tactic that will get you promoted or do you need to move to something more conventional? What types of issues do you see in matches? If your strikers dont face to the goal, do they have a plays with back to goal PPM? do they have a role where youve told them to play with their back to goal like target man?
  2. I think just looking at your tactic and team instructions, i think there are some positive changes that could be made: 1) this is a really top heavy formation but youre using "work ball into box". Id say not necessary. this kind of formation youre playing is built for direct passing/playing the long ball into the target man, so i wouldnt have work ball into box 2) Work ball into box and pass ball into space at the same time doesnt make sense really 3) Id be a bit concerned with space in between the lines, if choosing a high LOE, but low defensive line, and then using tight marking. id just be concerned there would be lots of space available if the opponent beats your pressing 4) is there a need for the big overkill of width? setting width to maximum, focusing play down the wings AND overlaps together is quite extreme
  3. Other than winning, obviously, whats the thinking behind the tactic and these roles? 2 BBMS could be caught up field together. 2 IWB.... would leave space down your own flanks No one covering the space in front of your back 4 Two strikers neither of which come short for the ball Just interested as to what the idea was?
  4. I tend to work with small squads and when I'm into the season, I tend to just drop the training down to keep them fresher for the games and use less rotation. Double intensity is good for fitness work if needed I think
  5. Id say the combination of the IW/A, the DLF/F9 working in the same area combined with the addition of the "overlap left" instruction, will create the ideal left sided overload you need to release space on the right for your two attack minded players, the MEZ and the AF. The opposition will have to commit numbers over onto their right hand side which should make tracking the forward runs more difficult for them.
  6. 1) in my experience, DLF's don't tend to drop quite deep enough, but F9's tend to shoot from distance a little more. 2) Advanced forwards run in behind more, whereas target men attract the ball to be played into them 3) I don't tend to use IWB but he would underlap your wide player if you selected him as an IWB 4) You don't have to use sit narrower, an IW will start wide and make an out to in run. If he sits narrower, he will be more in the middle of the pitch than perhaps you want him to be 5) Mezzala is similar to an attacking midfielder but has more tendency to run wide too. Mark tighter will make him stay close to whoever you want him to stay close to when they have the ball 6) Not too sure, is it to cover for someone else? 7) BWM and DLP are different. You might just be better off using a "central midfielder" and designing him to do what you want Also I think personally you can have twin roles but design them differently.......you could have two central midfielders together but with different PI's and different elements to bring to your tactic, you could pair to CB's together. It wouldn't work to have two players next to each other doing exactly the same thing, but if they had slightly different roles it can work
  7. I think the beckham role would possibly be that of "wide midfielder" but with the PIs added in of "cross more often" and "more risky passes" to utilise the sweet right foot he had. That of course depends if you have a player that can replace the quality of beckham. For me giggs was more of an out and out attacking winger. On champions league nights he would roast defenders down the outside on his left foot. Then the central midfield id say keane played as a central midfielder but with "hold position" and "tackle harder" as his PIs and Scholes id probably play as a central midfielder with no PIs and let him do his thing. Of course im saying this as if i had those 4 players.... you might not be able to exactly replicate the ferguson 442 with your players and their attributes
  8. i know they arent an EPL team, but is there any chance you could extend this series to show how youd set Napoli up? id love to get them going and can never seem to. Nor can the AI on my game.
  9. Im giving this thread a bump, as i just found it and i like playing 442. My opinion on can 442 be successful is that it is a resounding YES. It would have to depend on the tactic fitting the players you have and their strengths, but in general i think 442 formations are great for slightly less fancied teams who perhaps lack creativity, its a great formation for maintaining a compact, disciplined defensive shape, its versatile in the way it can be implemented from free flowing to counter attacking, and who doesnt love a great cross swung into the box to be met by a towering header from a forward? it is still beautiful. Im currently managing Vorskla Poltava of the Ukranian Premier League, and i started another thread questioning whether my tactic was good for the long term. I think ive come full circle and just think its a well balanced, well suited tactic to my players and the league. Vorskla are predicted to finish 4th in a 12 team division, play in front of crowds of about 5,000 and certainly lack talent, yet we are top of the Ukrainian Premier League at the winter break, through to the Ukrainian cup semi final, and through into the knockout stages of the Europa League and we are outperforming teams like Shakhtar and Dinamo Kiev who have £20 and £30 million players. The tactic is more or less "classic 442" as you described in your post. It uses quality from out wide as the primary source of creativity, a central midfield combination of two work horses, Sklyar with slightly more talent in possesion and chipping in with goals, Sharpar offering more defensive insurance and tackling ability, and it rejuvenates the old "big man little man" partnership up front with an aerially dominant target man, and an energetic pacey little man who ive decided to give the pressing forward role to: Ive got a few PI's added, all four midfielders all "mark tightly" and close down to the maximum, Sharpar is set to "hold position". Kolomoets the target man is also set to "mark tightly" whilst the two full backs "cross from deep". The defensive strategy is undoubtedly risky but it works well, focusing on a relentless high press where the direct balls keep on coming into the box and we aggressively look to win second balls and flick ons at every opportunity. As opposition instructions, i set the opposition back line to "mark tightly" and "close down always" and then the midfield to "close down always" and it usually starves the opponent of getting service into their front players. Admittedly, in certain games agains good sides, they can pass through the press, which leads to some high scoring games i dont like. But overall, the tactic has been working very nicely at producing consistent results: So i would say, ABSOLUTELY. This is not the only team i have used 442 with and had success, and it could work for you too if it fits the strengths of your players.
  10. I think an issue with this formation may possibly be, that opposition teams can defend deep and narrow against you, because no one is really attacking the box, and they can crowd out your striker. Id be more inclined to have the wing and full back having a more attacking role and pushing on. It may help create an overload down one side. Id target a right sided overload because it may free some more room for your central midfielder to make a run into the box. It should also stretch the back line wider, unless they want to give those players down the wings license to do what they want. Is the anchor man necessary? If teams are camping against you, do you need the security of the anchor man against the counter attack, or could you afford to maybe play a player in the number 10 role who can create and find the killer pass? Maybe another option you have as well, is to lose the "prevent short GK distribution" instruction, so your players arent pushed up too high against the defensive line of the opposition and allow them to come forward more and be more available for a pass, to create space for your striker to run towards goal. At the moment, he spends more time running backwards in his DLF role. there is always the possibility too, of going direct and bombarding the opposition into submission with constant pressure and an overloaded box to deal with.
  11. My issue really is that i feel implementing tactics that are so basic, will eventually become a limiting factor not just at this club, but at others too, and i cant seem to create that successful 4-1-4-1 variant that so many people can. The standout team for me on FM would be Atletico Madrid. I feel like i could boss spain and win everything on a european level with them as their squad lends itself well to my high tempo 442. I also feel though that eventually, the AI manager will be able to easily unpick my tactics and itll only ever work up to a certain level of football, domestic Ukraine league is not a weak league, but definitely not as strong as the teams i will face in europe. I also read your EXCELLENT post on the art of defending, and i agreed with a lot of it. What i would say though is a key component that makes this tactic work is the ultra aggressive nature of the defending. Its about getting it forward into the target man as early as possible and then getting bodies around him to win the first, or second ball. Having the midfield pushed up high and defending almost as two units; the front 6 hunting the opposition defence and midfield, and the back 4 and keeper who are a last line of defence. I feel like good teams are going to play easily through the press, which is an issue. The best teams ive faced this season would be Dinamo Kiev, Shakhtar Donestsk, Villarreal, and Sassuolo (friendly). We have had 3 wins and a draw, but those matches felt a little too much like a basketball match in order for the tactic to succeed long term at the highest levels IMO. Maybe i should keep it the same for one season, and then perhaps look to make tweaks as my "underdog" tag goes away?
  12. id say you can do a few things 1) if youre a good footballing side, try and draw them out by dropping the intensity of the pressing from the front and the line of engagement, giving them more time to come forward and then try and nick the ball off them and play in the space they have vacated themselves with direct, incisive passing. needs players who can execute these killer passes though and find space in small areas. 2) You could get yourself a massive "plan B" striker, and pump it in the box to him, in the hope his size and power will disrupt the opposition and he will win headers on goal and knock downs to team mates. Using a relentless, fast tempo and early balls into the box should mean that the opposition will struggle to clear the ball, and you can keep constant pressure on them until they break 3) you could focus on getting some really solid set piece routines to trouble the opposition from good deliveries into the box, another weapon you have. 4) Maybe try less of a top heavy formation and more support duties in your tactic, so players can get on the ball and unlock the door more. if the space is in front of their defence, maybe use creativity and well time runs from deep coupled with a forward who comes deep to receive the ball to create space
  13. im not really sure it does that much at all, hope i wont get slaughtered for saying that. i just leave them to the assistant manager. Ive had great saves and poor saves underachieving and overachieving, which has maybe more to do with the assistant managers motivational properties?
  14. Hello everyone. It always interests me when coming onto this forum and seeing people create highly successful tactics that are unusual looking and have a number of well integrated roles. These people tend to absolutely smash leagues with unfancied teams, but they do it beautifully. I on the other hand, feel that my own tactical limitations are stopping the possibility of having such a save. Even when managing a big team, for example Barcelona which should in theory be quite easy, i didnt manage well and had to look for advice, and was working with a variation of a 442 formation. In fact, the only thing i won was the european super cup, majorly disappointing. Ive tried to manage expansive, exciting teams like Napoli and Real Madrid too on the game, and yet failed to win anything with them. Conversely, my better saves have been with the likes of Wealdstone getting them into the football league, my back to back Chilean titles with Universidad De Chile, leading AFC Wimbledon to the Premier League etc. But they are all "underdog" type teams that its easy to implement a certain simple, direct style with. Im now manager of Vorskla Poltava of Ukraine. I wanted to be a team that i didnt know any of the players, or have any idea about their real life style, but I also knew they would have some european involvement and also, felt maybe it was a league i could overachieve in. So far its going well, we were predicted to finish 4th which would get us into the very early qualifying rounds of the europa league, and in a league of 12 teams, its just barely above mid table. But so far, we are top, ahead of respectable european campaigners like Shakhtar Donetsk and Dinamo Kiev, and results in all 3 competitions have been good: What id like to do, is take this team and not just make them a dominant force domestically, but get them to the latter rounds of the champions league. But is this going to be possible, with a limited 4-4-2 style? My tactic looks like this: This is the only "philosophy" i can consistently apply to the teams i manage, but i am also sure its the reason i can only manage certain teams effectively. I tend to work on the basis that: I want to play a high tempo and get the ball forward early I want the creativity to come from the wide areas with deliveries into the box My basis for attacking is getting hold of second balls and getting players in and around a focal point striker I dont want to risk playing from the back I want an athletic, uncomprimising team In order to do this, the defending looks risky, but by having the defensive line pushed up and the addition of tighter marking and close down more on the 4 midfielders, it does seem like we get in and around the target man often, and hopefully he wins enough flick ons to the pressing forward. As team instructions, i then set "mark tightly" and "close down always" to the oposition defenders, and "close down always" on their midfield. I also add PI's onto the two full backs to "cross from deep", to make sure they are delivering into the box regularly. I already know there are some weaknesses with the formation, notably If teams beat the initial high press from trying to win the second ball, they can get through the midfield line easily and be into my back line Being at a numerical disadvantage in central midfield against teams playing with 3 CM's A distinct lack of a plan B, considering what people would call plan B, is plan A, and the only plan Not being able to "control" games. Particularly when holding a lead. Wasting time is an option but running the clock down, taking the "sting" out of a game isnt. My question though is, i dont think this kind of style will get very far at the top level, in a good domestic league and in Europe. Its ok for managing the lower levels, perhaps even getting you INTO the top league, but realistically can it go much further? The style would need to evolve i feel, but is that realistic either? and how do you evolve a team's style? How do you evolve your OWN philosophies, when you only really know a certain way and that certain way happens to be dogged, ugly football? And just on the current tactic itself, do you feel it is a well balanced tactic, or can it be improved immediately? Thank You
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