knap Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 Agreed - you need player power to play wide formations and IWB with 3 at back is the strongest defensive set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlosDanger Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Have not been able to replicate my success on other campaigns. I enjoy the quality of play but this tactic seems to have major issues with the striker & general finishing of clear chances, irregardless of relative player quality in my experience. I regularly have games where I have 30-40+ shots (15+ on goal) and fail to score, even more of an issue away. The IWBs are good going forward, but if they lose position or get caught on a counter attack all it takes it one of the CBs getting drawn out wide and the opponent seems to score 9/10 times. Some of these frustrations may just be general FM17 issues but I don't remember a tactic so simultaneously pleasing & frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 This is one reason why the 3 CB system works so well in this ME, it adds cover to the wide positions. The AI just put a 11 man block up which is the frustrating part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlosDanger Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Any suggestions on a 3CB system to try? Also important to note that I didn't intend the comment as criticism, just some feedback as I've run it through a few different clubs at wildly different talent levels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannicus89 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 I appreciate feedbacks like yours @CarlosDanger. If its negative, its much better to write something in the lines of what you did; rather than just writing "OMG WAS SO BAD" etc. To answer your question; I would recommend trying out Knaps 3412, that one is immense. I overachieved so hardcore as Watford by winning the treble (EPL, FA-cup and League Cup) during my first season. No significant transfers, only backup players on loan. Back on topic: I decided to give this formation a try as Roma, because I really want to utilize Totti before he hangs up his boots, and guess what? The 4231-AF is really good. I gave it a bad review when I was trying it out as a weak team, but as a middle/top team - this tactic is doing superb. Totti with his awful physical stats but great mental and technical stats has already racked up 16 goals by march as an offensive midfielder. Feelsgoodman.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share Posted April 17, 2017 Non OI Version tested with MU ¬FM17.3Knap4231RAWSIENNAP101_293BDAE9-2B17-4C7C-ABED-7ADAC3862B9F.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossroader Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I know this is Dinamo Kyiv, but stats my team did are pretty amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardhck Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 knap, i am using your 541MUP101 with IWB, most goal conceded thru counter attack. maybe my defenders no good. any amendment for no good defenders? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 On 4/17/2017 at 16:08, knap said: Non OI Version tested with MU ¬FM17.3Knap4231RAWSIENNAP101_293BDAE9-2B17-4C7C-ABED-7ADAC3862B9F.fmf Knap, of the 2 cms which is the more defensive? I'm assuming the right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 I tend to have defensive CM on left, but in this case there is not a lot in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
advantage Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 i just want a tactic working well for ACMILAN Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Wide tactics do not work that well with this ME. I would therefor start with a 3 at back IWB tactic using your best players for formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
exorcio Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 6 hours ago, knap said: Wide tactics do not work that well with this ME. I would therefor start with a 3 at back IWB tactic using your best players for formation. A lot of yellow cards. In every match more 3-4. tactic full fluid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Need a little aggression and it has never been a major problem, apart from odd fine for not keeping players under control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
exorcio Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 14 minutes ago, knap said: Need a little aggression and it has never been a major problem, apart from odd fine for not keeping players under control. thx, What pre-match training do you use ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 I just use AM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 Retest with Spurs using OIs, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 which version knap please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 Just checked and I did not use OIs. This version ¬FM17.3.1Knap4231RAWSIENNAP96OIP103THP102_59EB2DC8-5627-4E97-8EEC-C8657BBD5031.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 WB Version no OIs ¬FM17.3.1Knap4231RAWSIENNAP96OIP103THP102WBP98_0583EF74-F840-40C2-B43F-9EE6748E97A5.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 On 02/05/2017 at 05:26, knap said: Just checked and I did not use OIs. This version ¬FM17.3.1Knap4231RAWSIENNAP96OIP103THP102_59EB2DC8-5627-4E97-8EEC-C8657BBD5031.fmf So whats better. This one, or the one in the OP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooligan Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Wich version in better? with Inverted back or wingback? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 Originally the IWB, but later tactics tend to use WBs set up as a cross between the IWB and WB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooligan Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Ok thank's Knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricotero_uy Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 On 5/1/2017 at 19:17, knap said: WB Version no OIs ¬FM17.3.1Knap4231RAWSIENNAP96OIP103THP102WBP98_0583EF74-F840-40C2-B43F-9EE6748E97A5.fmf So far my results with Athletic using this version. 5 official matches played, 5 won (including Real Madrid). The team is performing really creating a lot of shots but not scoring all of them. I leave the stats, standings and the formation. Results & Standings The squad stats & the formation. De Marcos is injured but he's the starting DR. Kepa & Gorka will play 50/50 of the games. Complete team stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko1878 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 18 hours ago, Ricotero_uy said: So far my results with Athletic using this version. 5 official matches played, 5 won (including Real Madrid). The team is performing really creating a lot of shots but not scoring all of them. I leave the stats, standings and the formation. Results & Standings The squad stats & the formation. De Marcos is injured but he's the starting DR. Kepa & Gorka will play 50/50 of the games. Complete team stats. Exact same problem for me, the amount of chances this tactic creates only for the players to miss absolute sitters is unreal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricotero_uy Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, Dicko1878 said: Exact same problem for me, the amount of chances this tactic creates only for the players to miss absolute sitters is unreal. I think it's part of the "game". Is not 100% real, may be with top players the % of scored chances rise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko1878 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ricotero_uy said: I think it's part of the "game". Is not 100% real, may be with top players the % of scored chances rise. Yeah but how annoyed would you be if you shelled out for someone like Icardi, only for him to miss the same chances haha! I've currently got Guidetti, 15 finishing, 13 composure and 17 technique and he can only finish when it's an open goal so frustrating haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricotero_uy Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dicko1878 said: Yeah but how annoyed would you be if you shelled out for someone like Icardi, only for him to miss the same chances haha! I've currently got Guidetti, 15 finishing, 13 composure and 17 technique and he can only finish when it's an open goal so frustrating haha Nevertheless I'm happy with the results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko1878 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Knap, what types of player would you recommend in the AMC role? I've got Franco Vazquez and Denis Suarez but both have been a bit underwhelming, would a quicker player here be better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 How do they compare to Firmino? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko1878 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 45 minutes ago, knap said: How do they compare to Firmino? Well Firmino is quicker and pretty much a striker, these guys are pretty much playmaker types Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 I do not consider the am and DM ratings a reliable guide, and prefer to go on results. Quicker is always better and for better ratings a st player helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolyblue Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Which version would be best to use with Everton? 17.3? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko1878 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 9 hours ago, knap said: I do not consider the am and DM ratings a reliable guide, and prefer to go on results. Quicker is always better and for better ratings a st player helps. I put Kuki there instead of D.Suarez and straight away he played a lot better, even my striker Eggestein improved. Thanks Knap! 7 hours ago, Woolyblue said: Which version would be best to use with Everton? 17.3? Thanks The WB version knap tested with Spurs, although I've had a large turnover of players, currently in the third season having sold pretty much everyone (Lukaku for 87m, Barkley for 44m etc) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolyblue Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Dicko1878 said: I put Kuki there instead of D.Suarez and straight away he played a lot better, even my striker Eggestein improved. Thanks Knap! The WB version knap tested with Spurs, although I've had a large turnover of players, currently in the third season having sold pretty much everyone (Lukaku for 87m, Barkley for 44m etc) Thank you my friend any chance you could post a link? Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolyblue Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, Woolyblue said: Thank you my friend any chance you could post a link? Thank you It's ok I have found it now thanks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poize Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Been using this tactic for my Liverpool team. Great tactic. Changed the striker to poacher and Origi just scored his 58th goal for me this season. Just smashed Barca 6-0 in CL final, Origi got 5! Love it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columnarius Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 @knap Thanks for all your hard work to make this tactic and for answering questions. I noticed that the OIs always close down the forwards. And the team instructions close down a lot more. But the personal instructions for the CDs are to close down less frequently. Can you talk about why you chose that? Did you find that the CDs were closing down too frequently and being beaten? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 That is the idea, but it may only be worth a few pts over a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columnarius Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Thanks. One more. What did you notice as the big difference between playing the FBs as IWBs vs. if they were WBs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 WBs edge it on width and are more flexible regarding instructions. WBs add those extra points per season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
birgerbredal Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Oi's I guess you are referring to opposition instructions? Because they are empty for me in all the different versions of the tactic. Do you set them up manually? Is it possible to get a screenshot Knap =) ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 Manual set up but only once. GoTo Tactics - OIs - Show position and then per OP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janjanczylik91 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 work to smal teams ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 Most of my tactics get at least a few games with Ebbsfleet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wells Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I have got this tactic as base and tweaked into 4-3-2amc-1 Started with Dover Atheltic and got two consecutive promotions and third one is maybe to happen, doing so well in League 1 at the moment. League 1 currently in 1st unbeaten after 14 games Just wow! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 Interesting adaptation - can you post revised tactic. Good going to get the players for consecutive promotions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wells Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Transfers second season - league 2 Tactic is this one ¬FM17.3.1Knap4231RAWSIENNAP96OIP103THP102WBP98_0ECF68B8-0661-4271-B8B2-B02E95A96D01.fmf I played mostly the forward as AF rather than CF (S) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 I doubt they are needed but did you use the OIs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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