McD Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 "a 30 second chant" haha Is that seriously the best you can troll? Strachan was never wanted by much of your support and never will be, regardless of what he achieves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 On the very first day of this season: Originally posted by HOORAY HENRIK:GTF Strachan, I was going to give him a couple of months, but nah just **** off. Man, that's one long 30 seconds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOORAY HENRIK Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Originally posted by McD:"a 30 second chant" haha Is that seriously the best you can troll? Strachan was never wanted by much of your support and never will be, regardless of what he achieves. Name me a time before the game I mentioned that there was open abuse directed towards Strachan from the stands. And dont spin me that 'you never liked him' yarn. Im talking about an open campaign to show disproval before Celtic v Motherwell on 05-04-2008. I'll save you the time, because you wont that is fact. Making up 3 years anti-Stachan campaings...is that the best you can troll at the attempt to deflect attention away from my points which nobody will answer. "You've been linked with/about to sign plenty of crap players in the past. Pray tell whey there has been no anti-whoever songs against them?" Anybody? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOORAY HENRIK Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Originally posted by McD:On the very first day of this season: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HOORAY HENRIK: GTF Strachan, I was going to give him a couple of months, but nah just **** off. Man, that's one long 30 seconds. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Get away from posts on an interet forum ffs I'm talking about actual reality. You know, inside the stadium...members of RST appearing in media to speak out against Miller. Find me evidence of anti-Strachan campaings before that Motherwell game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Where at all have I spoke about concerted, organised campaigns against Strachan at any point? I'll save you the bother... I just found it funny that you're using the "liberal" angle when I've encountered plenty of Celtic fans over the past 3 years with a strong opposition to this particular man managing their club. You'll tell me that it's for purely footballing reasons. Or that he's ginger. Or that he's a midget. Or that he's grumpy. I don't expect you to give anything else away. Good luck to you. And I believe I gave an answer to your question in the second paragraph of my reply at 19:54. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Originally posted by HOORAY HENRIK:Get away from posts on an interet forum ffs Hahah, because you never use "other messageboards of a certain club" to further your point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Originally posted by HOORAY HENRIK:Btw he isnt crap, his goal scoring record is poor yes. Kris Boyd on the other hand has a great one yet cant get a game? But he isnt crap...his goals and performances for us in the CL 2 years ago were a major part of why we qualified from the group. He's also done well for Scotland. Also, amazing what a simple little search can uncover... Btw he isnt crap How do you sleep at night? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidmar14 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 He isn;t crap and he does have a first touch and great link up play. Keep digging lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan petrov Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Keep digging? I think the fact you rate both Cousin and Darcheville over Miller shows the level of your knowledge, 'son' Still not renewing your season book because Smith has signed a crap player? Aye right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyJ Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Why do we need Miller when we have Novo? Both the same type of player except Novo scores more. Miller has done well for Scotland and looked decent in a poor Derby team whenever I seen him play. Wouldn't mind signing him as a squad player if he was a freebie, but 2 mill.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Dig, dig, dig... Love how we're being lectured here about who we should happy with at our club and what players will be good for our club, when these boys are about as reliable a Hillary Clinton primary speech. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidmar14 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Aye keep digging, your talking absolute cack and you know it. Kenny Miller has a poor first touch and lacks the close control skills that both Cousin and JCD have. If you watched him play for Celtic/Scotland you would know that I'd wager to a man that all the bears in here with me would agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 FWIW, taking into account their all-round game, if (and it's big if) they were each at the peak of their form, fitness and application, I'd say Miller was a poor third place to both Cousin and JCD. And I'm one of the few who have semi-defended re-signing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_cfc Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Miller is not a good player but hes no worse than Darcheville thats for sure. Despite his faults Miller has had a few fantastic games for Scotland and a couple with Celtic. He also had a fantastic season the year Wolves got promoted, he was one of the top scorers in the championship. Could you say that about JCD? I've not been impressed at all by him, without his pace he would be useless imo. Both aren't good enough for Celtic or Rangers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Nice Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Kenny Miller has a shocking first touch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_cfc Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Originally posted by Mr Nice:Kenny Miller has a shocking first touch. whs 2nd touch is a tackle usually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Darcheville's a tireless runner (well until 65 minutes!), he's strong, pacy, mobile, good with the ball at his feet, decent at picking up good positions when he's actually in and around the box. He also seems like a genuinely postive guy to have in the squad, he's always talking to players, youngers players, encouraging them, geeing them up. He's by no means perfect - he can be rash if things aren't going his way, he fades out of games at times, and most fatally for a striker he lacks a little composure in front of goal. Also, ofc he needs to stay fit more. Saying all that, he played quite a big part in the success we did have last season. His injury problems and age, added to the fixture pile-up, didn't help him gain a huge amount of consistency, but big games like the first cup final against United, away from home in Lisbon, the second OF match at Ibrox, he definitely made a difference. I also thought he was our most dangerous player against Zenit, although that wasn't hard! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidmar14 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Originally posted by tony_cfc:Miller is not a good player but hes no worse than Darcheville thats for sure. Despite his faults Miller has had a few fantastic games for Scotland and a couple with Celtic. He also had a fantastic season the year Wolves got promoted, he was one of the top scorers in the championship. Could you say that about JCD? I've not been impressed at all by him, without his pace he would be useless imo. Both aren't good enough for Celtic or Rangers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Darcheville http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Miller Millers scoring record in the SPL with Hibs, Rangers and Celtic speaks for itself. A half fit JCD has done well for us this year. He did alright in the 3rd division with Stenny, maybe he found his level! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_cfc Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 fair enough but you have to admit there was games where he done next to nothing. 1st game against us at Parkhead for example. The point im trying to make is that in some big games Miller can perform well above his ability (not often). From what i've heard, hes actually rated very highly in Italy after terrorising their defenders at Hampden in the 1-1 game a few years back. I could never see Darcheville performing like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidmar14 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Originally posted by tony_cfc:fair enough but you have to admit there was games where he done next to nothing. 1st game against us at Parkhead for example. The point im trying to make is that in some big games Miller can perform well above his ability (not often). From what i've heard, hes actually rated very highly in Italy after terrorising their defenders at Hampden in the 1-1 game a few years back. I could never see Darcheville performing like that I won't deny that is the case, he has at times punched above his weight. Unfortunatly we will never see Darchville playing for Scotland at Hampden so its difficult to compare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Miller's got his plus points too, I'm not denying that, and I highlighted the form, fitness and application thing because he will probably hit those three more often than JCD and certainly Cousin. Still think, pound for pound, he lacks the class, ability and impact those two players have on their day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_cfc Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Surely Cousin will go though? I think Miller would be a pointless signing for you tbh unless you get rid of Darcheville and Novo as hes pretty similar to them. I think WS has big decisions to make during the summer regarding the shape of his team i.e will he stick to the 451 or change it to a more attacking formation. Then buy players who will fit into his chosen system. I wouldnt think there was much point in keeping Boyd if he goes for the 451 again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidmar14 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Originally posted by tony_cfc:I think Miller would be a pointless signing for you tbh unless you get rid of Darcheville and Novo as hes pretty similar to them. My point exactly. Similar and also, not as good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Originally posted by tony_cfc:Surely Cousin will go though? Very likely. I think WS has big decisions to make during the summer regarding the shape of his team i.e will he stick to the 451 or change it to a more attacking formation. Then buy players who will fit into his chosen system.I wouldnt think there was much point in keeping Boyd if he goes for the 451 again WS will stick to 451 in Europe and against you guys, I'm sure of it. Whether he's looking at playing more domestic games with two up-front, Boyd and Miller presumably, I dunno. We need to address our poor away record in the SPL and that may be one option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty_8 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 tbf, the only reason im against Kenny Miller is that hes played for us and Celtic before. As a player, hes not bad. Maybe not worth the price being quoted but he has scored a few internationally and in the premiership. If we were to play 451 (as i presume we will) then i think he wont be a bad signing at all. Also, him and Boyd in a 442 would work quite well imo. Hes a hard worker and can play up front on his own and we know Walter will like this. We could attract better players, no doubt about it, but hes not as bad as everyone is making out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_cfc Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 The problem i see with him playing the main striker in a 451 is whos going to score the goals? Hes great at it for Scotland but for Scotland its acceptable for him to score once every 4/5 games as we're not one of the top teams, but at Rangers you would want your striker to score more than that. His role as striker for Rangers would be completely different to the one he has in Scotland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty_8 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Originally posted by tony_cfc:The problem i see with him playing the main striker in a 451 is whos going to score the goals? Hes great at it for Scotland but for Scotland its acceptable for him to score once every 4/5 games as we're not one of the top teams, but at Rangers you would want your striker to score more than that. His role as striker for Rangers would be completely different to the one he has in Scotland thats where boydy comes in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_cfc Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 No matter what he says, i cant see WS changing his mind about Boyd. He hardly played at all in the big games, which sums it up really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 It's been covered plenty, but 451 can be an attacking formation if the right players are employed. The one becomes a three, even four, when you're on the front foot, and played with pace and movement, it can be very difficult to defend against. We had a bad run of injuries and loss of form to wider, offensive players last season and we got ourselves stuck into a rut of playing guys like Whittaker, Davis, Dailly et al as wingers. Fine when you're hanging on to a 0-0 draw in Florence, but not so good chasing a win at Easter Road! It's no wonder we stopped creating chances, stopped scoring goals and stopped winning games. Added to this the fact we had three central midfielders not known for being box-to-box goalscorers (well in Ferguson's case, not any more) and everything really ran aground after the split. Even more than a striker this summer, we need, need, need one, probably, two attacking midfielders, guys who will add pace, skill and a goalscoring threat from middle to front. It's something we've really lacked since, oh, probably Ronald de Boer was at the club, not that we'll get someone with half that ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 I am a bit annoyed about Miller due to what he did in that OF game when he scored - but most of my annoyance comes from the idea that he is not good enough, he runs about, has no first touch and can't exactly bring too much to the team - infact we'd be better with Sebo back as he wouldn't have cost us anything and had similar qualites if we sold Boyd for Miller, then WS is completely mad, Boyd is 3 or 4 times the striker Miller is, apart from not running about. Although the root of the problem stems from Murray's penny pinching, we've made probably £20m from the Euro run and we had the Hutton money in January and we still have to go after pish like Miller for £2m (which he is never worth) If Murray is not willing to support Walter and give him the cash he needs to improve the squad, then he should bugger off now and let someone who will do that for the club if Stoke offer even £1m for McCulloch (heard £2.5m in a paper) I'd bite their hands off in a second, he's the sort of player who should be taken out of the squad because he is not good enough, along with Miller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorg Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Baggies to bid £4m for ThomsonWest Brom boss Tony Mowbray is reportedly ready to test Rangers' resolve with a £4million summer bid for midfield lynchpin Kevin Thomson. The 23-year-old played under Mowbray during the Albion gaffer's stint in charge of Hibernian, who sold Thomson to the Ibrox giants for £2million. The Baggies were linked with a move for the midfielder before he plumped for a move to the Gers - but Mowbray is ready to reignite his interest after steering Albion into the Premier League, according to the Express & Star. Thomson was a first-team regular under Walter Smith last season, making 25 SPL appearances and 11 starts in their run to the UEFA Cup final. But Mowbray feels he would be the perfect midfield partner for Albion skipper Jonathan Greening, as well as giving the Baggies some bite in the middle of the park. Gers chief Smith is ironically believed to be pondering a bid for Greening, but Albion are more likely to lodge just a straight-cash offer for Thomson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ter Posted June 6, 2008 SI Staff Share Posted June 6, 2008 We should be giving boys like Steven Lennon a chance (who is a similar type of player to Kenny Miller) instead of spending money and high wages on Miller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzza Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 No way we will get rid of Thomson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Wan Kenobi Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 If Thomson were to leave this window, it would have to be for a much higher fee than that. Would take silly money before a bid was accepted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOORAY HENRIK Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Originally posted by McD:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HOORAY HENRIK: Btw he isnt crap, his goal scoring record is poor yes. Kris Boyd on the other hand has a great one yet cant get a game? But he isnt crap...his goals and performances for us in the CL 2 years ago were a major part of why we qualified from the group. He's also done well for Scotland. Also, amazing what a simple little search can uncover... Btw he isnt crap How do you sleep at night? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Crap compared to who both teams had as strikers at the time aye, that why he left. He's more than good enough for you lot now tho...as my above examples prove. And Uncle Walt agrees. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan petrov Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Digging up old quotes? how cute Shall I dig up all the 'We shall not be moved ' ' Champions ' 'It's in the bag ' nonsense from you lot not even a couple of months ago? Fact of the matter is, Miller is an improvement on Cousin and Darcheville, who have shown flashes of competency and thats it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Originally posted by HOORAY HENRIK:Crap compared to who both teams had as strikers at the time aye, that why he left. He's more than good enough for you lot now tho...as my above examples prove. OK Originally posted by Stan petrov:Shall I dig up all the 'We shall not be moved ' ' Champions ' 'It's in the bag ' Yep, that's exactly the same as saying a player's "baws" then changing your mind when it suits you. Anyway, I hereby withdraw from this as I try not to converse with liars. Now toddle off to your own thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidmar14 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Originally posted by Stan petrov:Fact of the matter is, Miller is an improvement on Cousin and Darcheville, who have shown flashes of competency and thats it. I can't believe your still peddeling your garbage. You will never in your puff see Kenny Miller put in a performance that big dan put in that night we won 3-0 in Lyon. Now toddle off to your own clubs thread with your poor attempt at an opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Cousin would probably rip the SPL if he could be bothered, but he's a lazy arse shame because he certainly has the talent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_cfc Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Originally posted by Vidmar14:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stan petrov: Fact of the matter is, Miller is an improvement on Cousin and Darcheville, who have shown flashes of competency and thats it. I can't believe your still peddeling your garbage. You will never in your puff see Kenny Miller put in a performance that big dan put in that night we won 3-0 in Lyon. Now toddle off to your own clubs thread with your poor attempt at an opinion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Millers performance in that Italy game as i mentioned earlier was every bit as good. Im not saying hes better than him though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidmar14 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I'm sorry mate but i don't think it compares. Cousins ball for the 3rd goal was sheer quality. You will NEVER see Kenny Miller play a pass like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted June 6, 2008 Author Share Posted June 6, 2008 "flashes of competency and thats it" Doesn't that describe Miller perfectly? Add in his near £2million fee for his average career contribution, his dressing room mole status wherever he goes, his tendency to ask for more money after he's back a while (ask Lawwell), and, yes, of course add in the fact he played for Celtic then disrespected his old supporters who had never been too disrespectful to him by thumping his heart after scoring for Celtic against Rangers, then you have a deeply unpopular signing for many valid reasons. Not sure what the problem is with that. Some may point to one specific reason (usually his questionable talent), some (like me) may find the range of issues annoying. So what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Originally posted by Frankie:Not sure what the problem is with that. The problem is he's crap when he's at Celtic, but btw he isnt crap when he's at us. Keep up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted June 6, 2008 Author Share Posted June 6, 2008 Originally posted by McD:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frankie: Not sure what the problem is with that. The problem is he's crap when he's at Celtic, but btw he isnt crap when he's at us. Keep up! </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Stop the press! Rangers fans don't want crap former Celtic player to sign for them! How non-liberal of them! Jesus H. Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_cfc Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Originally posted by Vidmar14:I'm sorry mate but i don't think it compares. Cousins ball for the 3rd goal was sheer quality. You will NEVER see Kenny Miller play a pass like that. i would rather have praise from some of the best defenders in the world than play a good pass this makes it as though im sticking up for him . i dislike the guy, not just because he was s*** for us but also his general attitude. Complaining in the papers about not playing when he had scored about 3 goals all season. I hope you waste a couple of million on him tbh. if it happens you have got to question the manager for signing someone who wasn't good enough for your rivals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOORAY HENRIK Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Originally posted by McD:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frankie: Not sure what the problem is with that. The problem is he's crap when he's at Celtic, but btw he isnt crap when he's at us. Keep up! </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Which is why Strachan got rid. Which is why Smith is buying him. Keep up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Toner Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Rangers being all cryptic Apparently it'll look a little something like this In other news. Today see's us linked with a move for ex Jambo Andrius Velicka. I actually liked the guy at Hearts but it seems to me that he'd be another squad player when we are crying out for some genuine X1 difference makers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan petrov Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Originally posted by Vidmar14:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stan petrov: Fact of the matter is, Miller is an improvement on Cousin and Darcheville, who have shown flashes of competency and thats it. I can't believe your still peddeling your garbage. You will never in your puff see Kenny Miller put in a performance that big dan put in that night we won 3-0 in Lyon. Now toddle off to your own clubs thread with your poor attempt at an opinion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Haha, you're pathetic. I'll toddle off to the champions thread now, wont get anywhere with you and your ignorant personna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankJJ Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Originally posted by Gary Toner:Rangers being all cryptic Apparently it'll look a little something like this In other news. Today see's us linked with a move for ex Jambo Andrius Velicka. I actually liked the guy at Hearts but it seems to me that he'd be another squad player when we are crying out for some genuine X1 difference makers. When are Rangers, or in this case, the media, going to pay attention to Uefa and FIFA rules. Velicka only made his debut for Viking in April and will not be allowed to join another club until at least the end of the Norwegian season in November. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerFurball Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Originally posted by Stan petrov:Fact of the matter is, Miller is an improvement on Cousin and Darcheville, who have shown flashes of competency and thats it. So wrong I don't know where to start with that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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