RTHerringbone Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 He did this a while ago, as did Cleveley as part of their Nike sponsorship. Would anyone care if he went for a suitable fee? Rooney didn't cover himself in glory when he wanted to leave a couple of seasons ago and he hasn't exactly set the world on fire since. EDIT - I see that Everton have confirmed that Moyes is off at the end of the season. Presumably not long until an announcement from United now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Rooney can do one. We've stuck with him through thick and thin, and twice he has now repayed us by asking to leave. Absolute knob who no longer deserves to wear the shirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 So Moyes to leave at the end of the season. Looking ever increasingly like he is the man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I don't think United would miss Rooney much anyway. Yes he's a good player. But he seems to lack consistency to do it week in week out. Obviously it doesn't help if you aren't starting every game. But my point still stands. I could see Rooney going off to PSG or Real in the summer for £20-£35m. Whoever's the daftest to pay the most. I could then see, if Moyes is appointed, Fellaini moving to United. It would make United a much stronger team imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Moyes on a 6 year deal. That's a good move tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Rooney out and Falcao in? RVP and Falcao would be the best partnership the Prem has ever seen tbh. I guess I can dream though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 The ones who where already on the fringes anyway? He's not known for investing in youth though and giving them a real chance. He's not at a club long enough to do that even if he wanted ffs In an ideal world, who would be your choice Tom? Klopp? Whether they're on the fringes or not, he still gave them a chance. Morata, Cheryshev, Alex, Jose Rodriguez, Casemiro, and Fabinho have all managed to appear in the first team this campaign. (And before you point it out, I'm well aware that four of them have only made one appearance each. However, it still indicates that in the right circumstances he is willing to give younger players a chance). But no matter, the man I wanted out of the percieved first choice candidates has been appointed. All three had their pluses and their minuses, but for the best chance of continuity the only option for me was David Moyes. Klopp is showing signs of a very good manager, but his success has only been in the last 3-4 years and no one knows whether he would be able to transform that to a whole new country, despite the similarities. If that success is sustained over a longer period, then someone is going to get a very good manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Whether they're on the fringes or not, he still gave them a chance. Morata, Cheryshev, Alex, Jose Rodriguez, Casemiro, and Fabinho have all managed to appear in the first team this campaign. (And before you point it out, I'm well aware that four of them have only made one appearance each. However, it still indicates that in the right circumstances he is willing to give younger players a chance).But no matter, the man I wanted out of the percieved first choice candidates has been appointed. All three had their pluses and their minuses, but for the best chance of continuity the only option for me was David Moyes. Klopp is showing signs of a very good manager, but his success has only been in the last 3-4 years and no one knows whether he would be able to transform that to a whole new country, despite the similarities. If that success is sustained over a longer period, then someone is going to get a very good manager. Do you think the 6 year contract is a statement of intent? To show that they are going to be patient and give time? Loads of morons already overreacting saying its a **** appointment and you'll struggle to win games. Also seen some say Moyes is tactically inept. Obviously people who have read Inverting the Pyramid and now think they understand how football works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Do you think the 6 year contract is a statement of intent? To show that they are going to be patient and give time?Loads of morons already overreacting saying its a **** appointment and you'll struggle to win games. Also seen some say Moyes is tactically inept. Obviously people who have read Inverting the Pyramid and now think they understand how football works. The six year contract is exactly that. Of course I would assume there will be get out clauses on both sides incase things go wrong, but it shows that we, (and him), are in this for the long haul. As for fans saying it's a poor appointment, they are literally stupid, and are blinded by the unrivalled success we've had under Sir Alex. They have to come to terms with the fact that that is unlikely to carry on in quite the same vain, no matter who is incharge. Moyes has done very well with a solid club, and now has better players and better staff around him, and (hopefully) the funds available to invest in the team. He'll be able to play a more vibrant style of football than he ever was at Everton as he'll have the players to be able to do that. I'm hugely optimistic about this, and I'm disgusted by some of the fan reaction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 The six year contract is exactly that. Of course I would assume there will be get out clauses on both sides incase things go wrong, but it shows that we, (and him), are in this for the long haul.As for fans saying it's a poor appointment, they are literally stupid, and are blinded by the unrivalled success we've had under Sir Alex. They have to come to terms with the fact that that is unlikely to carry on in quite the same vain, no matter who is incharge. Moyes has done very well with a solid club, and now has better players and better staff around him, and (hopefully) the funds available to invest in the team. He'll be able to play a more vibrant style of football than he ever was at Everton as he'll have the players to be able to do that. I'm hugely optimistic about this, and I'm disgusted by some of the fan reaction. Lots of fans seem to think Mourinho was a better choice but I don't agree. He gets bored easily and is always looking for the next job. That doesn't suit utd imo. I'm glad they've gone with someone like Moyes who proves he is comitted long term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Lots of fans seem to think Mourinho was a better choice but I don't agree. He gets bored easily and is always looking for the next job. That doesn't suit utd imo. I'm glad they've gone with someone like Moyes who proves he is comitted long term. Mourinho is a fantastic manager, but I'm puzzled as to why people seem to think he would "guarantee success"? He wouldn't have £150million to go and spend like at the other clubs he joins. Also I couldn't see him being happy working with Sir Alex as a director - he'd have wanted to put his own stamp ont things without have him there watching over his every move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Falcao is off the Monaco then, didn't see that in all honesty. To be fair, I'd go too for £10 million a year tax free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Falcao is off the Monaco then, didn't see that in all honesty. To be fair, I'd go too for £10 million a year tax free. Were've you got that from?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Really? They'll only just be newly promoted to Ligue 1 and play in that weird, nasty little stadium. He's clearly motivated by the sporting challenge if that's true... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 They're backed by a fairly rich owner so it could be money . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGougan33 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Has moyes also been appointed due to the glaziers debt as he is a proven manager when given very little to spend? Just another point to think off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Won't United's debt be gone in the next few years anyway? Their revenue is massive and they've been making large profits for the past few seasons at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Has moyes also been appointed due to the glaziers debt as he is a proven manager when given very little to spend? Just another point to think off Snore. Heard this theory so many times recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Has moyes also been appointed due to the glaziers debt as he is a proven manager when given very little to spend? Just another point to think off You're looking for trouble with that comment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Won't United's debt be gone in the next few years anyway? Their revenue is massive and they've been making large profits for the past few seasons at least. Yeah, I think they've cleared the worst of the debt (the bit attracting the most interest) and it's reducing year on year quite rapidly. Not sure if loan debt in football is similar to a mortgage in real life where you see the scale of the debt reduce more rapidly towards the end of its term due to the interest being cleared and just the capital being repaid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 RT, what was that transfer website that you use please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 RT, what was that transfer website that you use please? Which transfer website? Cleon mentioned the Falcao transfer and I couldn't find anything about it after a quick look myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 The one with previous transfers over the season. Ins and outs with the fees. I'm sure it was you who mentioned it a few weeks ago when we were talking about who has spent what. Martinez to be precise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 The one with previous transfers over the season. Ins and outs with the fees. I'm sure it was you who mentioned it a few weeks ago when we were talking about who has spent what. Martinez to be precise. Pretty sure it wasn't me, I can't remember the topic either.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I can't seem to find it. Surely we didn't talk about it that long ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I can't seem to find it. Surely we didn't talk about it that long ago. transfermarkt And the thing about Falcao is from Spanish media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmFutbolManager Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 United 'fans' slagging off Rooney because a newspaper said he wanted to leave. They've even gone as far to call his wife into this and send her some rather sickening stuff. Disgusting behaviour. RT, what was that transfer website that you use please? Was it me? http://transferleague.co.uk/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 United 'fans' slagging off Rooney because a newspaper said he wanted to leave. They've even gone as far to call his wife into this and send her some rather sickening stuff. Disgusting behaviour.Was it me? http://transferleague.co.uk/ I thought SKY confirmed that he did want to leave? Calling his wife names and giving her abuse isn't on though. Rooney got no loyalty though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Don't worry Cle, OneUnited is just one of those Rooney apologists. Old Trafford is full of the cretins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I've always thought Rooney was overrated in some ways. No doubt he is a good player but I dunno, there is something about him that I really dislike. He isn't someone I'd class as consistent though, his form seems to come in monthly installements. 4 good games then 5 poor games. If he does leave Utd I can't see many big clubs lining up for him. Barca? No. Bayern? No chance. Madrid? Doubt it. Juve? Nah couldn't afford him. I reckon he'd have to go PSG or to City. I believe he would go to City though to think he got 1 up on the club, he seems that kind of person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Excellent player, but just not consistent enough. Much like many players, especially those suposed 'world class' English ones we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I've always thought Rooney was overrated in some ways. No doubt he is a good player but I dunno, there is something about him that I really dislike. He isn't someone I'd class as consistent though, his form seems to come in monthly installements. 4 good games then 5 poor games. He's a good player. Was a great young player but maybe got too much too soon, or started reading all the hype and believing it. His work ethic helps to mask the fact that actually, he's inconsistent and not technically very refined. If United can recoup the £30m he was reputed to have cost, they'd be mental not to take it. Agreed that it will be the likes of City or P-SG only who'd take him, doesn't strike me as a Guardiola player so no idea where the Bayern talk comes from. Usual paper talk already about Moyes bringing Fellaini and Baines with him - arguably United's two weakest areas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Hardly comes as a surprise and really wouldn't be if United did sign them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmFutbolManager Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I thought SKY confirmed that he did want to leave? Calling his wife names and giving her abuse isn't on though. Rooney got no loyalty though. Sky were just picking up the newspaper reports, were they not? I've not seen anything from the player or the club like the last time he handed in a transfer request. If it's official, sure give him stick if that makes you feel better, but I don't know why these morons think it's acceptable to abuse his wife, especially as it's nothing official yet. As for loyalty, he's played at the top level for 11 years or so for only two clubs. He asked to leave once, but so did Ronaldo and the same people calling Rooney a fat **** are the same people that want Ronaldo back, despite him desperately pushing a move away from the club for two years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Sky were just picking up the newspaper reports, were they not? I've not seen anything from the player or the club like the last time he handed in a transfer request. If it's official, sure give him stick if that makes you feel better, but I don't know why these morons think it's acceptable to abuse his wife, especially as it's nothing official yet.As for loyalty, he's played at the top level for 11 years or so for only two clubs. He asked to leave once, but so did Ronaldo and the same people calling Rooney a fat **** are the same people that want Ronaldo back, despite him desperately pushing a move away from the club for two years. Pretty sure if SKY say it happened then it did, they are normally spot on with their reports for football tbh. They weren't reporting what happened in the paper, I think SKY broke the story first. Abusing his wife, I agree isn't on though. He doesn't have loyalty at all, he demanded a transfer from Everton after rejecting their offer, tried it again at Utd and if the reports are correct this is the 2nd time in 3 years that he's asked for a transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 He's a good player. Was a great young player but maybe got too much too soon, or started reading all the hype and believing it.His work ethic helps to mask the fact that actually, he's inconsistent and not technically very refined. If United can recoup the £30m he was reputed to have cost, they'd be mental not to take it. Agreed that it will be the likes of City or P-SG only who'd take him, doesn't strike me as a Guardiola player so no idea where the Bayern talk comes from. Usual paper talk already about Moyes bringing Fellaini and Baines with him - arguably United's two weakest areas? Fellaini I think is possible, not sure about Baines though. Do Utd need another leftback? Already have 3 don't they? I'm hoping they buy Jagielka though, we have a 15% sell on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Fellaini I think is possible, not sure about Baines though. Do Utd need another leftback? Already have 3 don't they? Evra, Buttner, and? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 No to Fellaini. Don't want someone who constantly gives fouls away in and around the box and realies on high balls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Evra, Buttner, and? The other twin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmFutbolManager Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Pretty sure if SKY say it happened then it did, they are normally spot on with their reports for football tbh. They weren't reporting what happened in the paper, I think SKY broke the story first. Abusing his wife, I agree isn't on though.He doesn't have loyalty at all, he demanded a transfer from Everton after rejecting their offer, tried it again at Utd and if the reports are correct this is the 2nd time in 3 years that he's asked for a transfer. And that's the problem with the internet. I've heard it was the papers that ran with it before Sky, other people heard Sky said it first. Either way I try not to overact to stories but rather go on official statements during silly season. If it's true and he wants to go them get him out as quick as possible for as much as possible and get someone else in that is dedicated to the cause. If he goes I'm sure we can replace him, but he has scored 200 goals in 400 appearances and directly contributed to a third of all goals in the last 5 years. Latest rumours are that Gill was in a meeting with Mendes yesterday. Stories ranging from Nani and Anderson being outed to Ronaldo coming back. Make of that what you will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Evra, Buttner, and? Fabio. And of course Tyler Blackett. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 No to Fellaini. Don't want someone who constantly gives fouls away in and around the box and realies on high balls. How he didn't get pulled up at the week-end for his constant elbowing against us I will never know. The other twin. Fabio. And of course Tyler Blackett. Danke. Forgot about Fabio. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Do Utd need another leftback? Already have 3 don't they? I think it's fair to say that Evra's star is fading. Baines has been linked with United for some time, and he is bloody brilliant to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmFutbolManager Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Baines has been linked with United for some time, and he is bloody brilliant to be fair. He's not bad... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 He's not bad... Imagine the conversion of that supply by a more potent forward line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 It was you OneUnited. Apologies RT. Personally I can see Fabio being sold. Not had the same impact at United like his brother. Which is understandable considering United have Evra and Buttner now. Evra's 30+ now so I could possibly see Moyes letting him go if the 'right offer' came in for him. I can't see Buttner going anywhere, although from what I've seen of him, I'm not sure whether he has 'United Class'. Obviously someone like Tom would be able to have a better judgement on him. Isn't Ferdinand out of contract this summer? Or is it next? If it's next, then I can't see Jagielka moving as he's nearly 30 isn't he? I suppose it's how fragile Ferdinand and Vidic will be next season and whether Moyes will use Jones as a centre half or a midfielder. What's happening with Wootton? Seems fairly decent on FM but has been loaned out for the past few seasons. Will he make it at Old Trafford? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 He's not bad... He only has 5 assists though and takes every single set piece that Everton have. The others on that list don't. And 2 of those came in his first 2 games. Not taking anything away from him because I think he is a good player. Baines is the best player in Europe for creating chances based on stats with 97 while 2nd place is MATHIEU VALBUENA with 93. He's had a poor 2nd half of the season though because 50 of his EPL chances created all came in the first half of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Who do we think Everton will appoint as their new manager? Personally for me, if Wigan go down. Then I can see Martinez going there. I know Whelan doesn't like letting people go unless it's to a top 4 club. But unfortunately I don't think he has a choice if Wigan go down. If they don't then I could see Martinez staying for at least one more season if he can keep his better players and add a few to his squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Apparently Neil Lennon is the odds on favourite. Otherwise you have to be looking at Martinez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 No to Fellaini. Don't want someone who constantly gives fouls away in and around the box and realies on high balls. Agree about the fouling, but I think he'd be performing a different role at United. The long ball issue would also recede, as Moyes just uses him as a focal point in the absence of any technical alternatives at Everton. I think he could do a cracking job alongside Carrick, and apparently he does have a £23m buyout clause, which makes me wonder how on earth Everton have kept hold of him for so long. Thinking of starting yet another save tonight, Man U again, with edited database to set Fergie as a Director. I'm also going to have a bash at creating a flat 3-4-3 - no Libero, and three strikers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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