Ryan377 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Welcome to the Football Manager 2014 thread for Borussia Dortmund... Nicknames - BVB (Ballspiel-Verein Borussia), Die Borussen (The Borussians), Die Schwarzgelben (The Black & Yellows) BVB – Background Borussia Dortmund are a German Bundesliga football team located in the 'Ruhr' district of Western Germany. They are one of the largest names in German and European football despite not having the same financial power as some of Europe's elite. Their biggest success came in 1997 when they won the UEFA Champions League and the last time the club tasted domestic league success was in the 2011/12 season. BVB - Foundation and Early Years Ballspielverein Borussia 09 e.V. Dortmund were founded on December 19th 1909. The club was created by a group of seventeen young men who became unhappy playing for Trinity Youth, a church sponsored team in the Dortmund area. The team adopted the name ‘Borussia’ as it was the name of the beer being produced in the local brewery. The club first started to play in their famous yellow and black kit from the year 1913. The club only had moderate success over the next few decades playing in local leagues in the Ruhr district. In 1929, only twenty years after the formation of the club, Borussia Dortmund nearly suffered bankruptcy only to be saved by a local supporter who generously saved the club with his own money. BVB – Third Reich Regime and World War II The 1930’s was a tough time for all sports clubs in Germany. The Third Reich restricted these organizations to suit the regimes goals. Borussia’s president was quickly replaced when he refused to join the Nazi party and some members were executed when it was found that they were using the clubs offices to produce anti-Nazi pamphlets. The club enjoyed an upturn in fortunes in the newly created 'Gauliga Westfalen' but it wasn’t until after World War II when the club started to achieve success on a larger scale. It was also around this era when the rivalry between Borussia Dortmund and FC Schalke 04 started to develop. The derby is arguably the most passionate in German football and is known as the ‘Revierderby’. Revier is the German word for Ruhr which is the district that both of these teams are located in. There was a short lived attempt to merge BVB with two other clubs, Werksportgemeinschaft Hoesch and Freier Sportverein 98, however, the joining of the three clubs never occurred. In the summer of 1949 Borussia Dortmund managed to reach their first national league final however they were beaten 3-2 on the day by VfR Mannheim. BVB – First National Success and Creation of the Bundesliga Between 1946 and 1963, Die Borussen competed in the Oberliga West division; A division which dominated National football in the late 1950’s. The club first achieved national success in the year 1956 when they defeated Karlsruher SC 4-2 to clinch the title. It didn’t not take long for BVB to taste success again as twelve months later they retained their title with a 4-1 win over Hamburger SV. After achieving another title win, the three Alfredo’s (Alfred Preißler, Alfred Kelbassa and Alfred Niepieklo) gained legendary status around the city of Dortmund. Der BVB wrapped up their third National title win in 1963 in which was to be the last year of the competition as the Bundesliga took over. After another poor showing by the National team in the 1962 World Cup the DFB (German Football Federation) voted to create a professional football league in Germany and it was to be called the Bundesliga. Dortmund were granted entry to this league because of their success in the Oberliga West Division the previous year. The league would contain sixteen teams, all made up from clubs that had been successful in their own divisions the previous year. Dortmund claimed a small part in Bundesliga history when Friedhelm Konietzka became the first player to score a goal in then newly created league, however, they did go on to lost the match 3-2. It was two seasons after the formation of the Bundesliga when Dortmund achieved their first piece of silverware as a professional club when they lifted the German Cup (now known as the DFB-Pokal). Die Schwarzgelben then achieved large scale success the year after defeating English club Liverpool 2-1 in the European Cup Winners Cup Final. This win did come at a cost though as Dortmund’s form in the league was affected and they ended up missing out on first place after losing four out of their last five games. 1966 would prove to be Dortmund’s last successful year for a while as they were relegated from the Bundesliga in 1972. The club did manage to achieve promotion back to the top league in 1976 however, it would not be until 1989 when they next won some silverware. A 4-1 victory over Werder Bremen meant that they would collect the DFB Pokal cup for a second time in their professional history and then a few months later they defeated Bayern Munich 4-3 to seal victory in the DFB-Supercup. BVB – European glory delivered by a Dortmund fan The 90’s were a hugely successful period for the Dortmund faithful. German Ottmar Hitzfeld was appointed manager in 1991 and in his first season in charge of the club he lead them to a 2nd place finish. As well as a 4th place finish in the next season, Hitzfeld led his club to the UEFA Cup Final however, they were thrashed by Juventus 6-1 over the two legs. With the prize money received from this the club then decided to spend big to finally bring success to the Westfalenstadion. Borussia Dortmund claimed their first two Bundesliga successes of the 90's decade winning the league in 1995 and 1996 under the guidance of captain Matthias Sammer who was currently European Footballer Of the Year. They also achieved Supercup success in both these seasons as well defeating Gladbach in 1995 and Kaiserslautern in 1996. European glory was achieved in the 1996/97 season when Borussia Dortmund lifted the UEFA Champions League trophy after a 3-1 victory over huge favourites Juventus. The win was sealed by local lad Lars Ricken who after only sixteen seconds after coming onto the pitch managed to chip Angelo Peruzzi in the Juventus goal to seal the biggest success in the clubs history to date. BVB – A new start for Die Schwarzgelben At the start of the 21st century Borussia Dortmund became the first – and currently to date only club – that is publicly traded on the German stock market. They recorded their third Bundesliga success in 2002 but ended up losing the UEFA Cup Final to Feyernoord 2-1 a few days later. The club then suffered a downturn in fortunes over the next few years with poor financial management almost plunging the club into bankruptcy. This resulted in the sale of their home stadium to the company Signal Iduna and they were also loaned €2 million by rivals Bayern Munich just to help pay their payroll. Players were also asked to take a 20% paycut just to help the club in these challenging times. Der BVB nearly suffered relegation from the Bundesliga in the 2006/07 season when they finished one point above the relegation zone. There was little for the Dortmund faithful to shout about in the next season either, an appearance in the DFB-Pokal one of the few high points although they were beaten by Bayern Munich 2-1. Manager Thomas Doll resigned from the club in May 2008 and was replaced by Jurgen Klopp who had previously been manager at Mainz. BVB – The Klopp Era The hiring of Jurgen Klopp turned out to be a masterstroke by the Dortmund board as he turned out to be an instant success. In his first season at the club they achieved a fifth place finish, narrowly missing out on qualification for the UEFA Champions League. The 2010/11 season proved even more fruitful for Klopp and Dortmund as they were crowned Bundesliga champions finishing seven points above second placed Bayer Leverkusen. Striker Lucas Barrios was imperative to the clubs success finishing the season with 16 goals while youngster Mario Gotze provided 11 assists, the second highest in the league. Borussia Dortmund retained their title twelve months later, comfortably finishing above rivals Bayern Munich. After the departure of Nuri Sahin in the summer many questioned the ambition of the clubs owners, however the twenty two goals from Polish striker Robert Lewandowski and nine assists from Japanese international Shinji Kagawa meant the Dortmund fans were once again celebrating. The club rounded of a terrific season with an excellent 5-2 win over Bayern Munich to clinch the DFB-Pokal Cup. Unfortunately, the club weren’t able to make it three Bundesliga wins in a row as Bayern Munich steamrollered their way to the title only losing one game throughout the whole season. Jurgen Klopp did lead his team to the UEFA Champions League Final at Wembley but their hopes of lifting the trophy for the second time in their history were squashed when a last minute Arjen Robben goal sealed a 2-1 win for Munich. The rivalry between these clubs is currently as intense as ever with Bayern Munich activating Mario Gotze’s release clause and announcing that the deal for the attacking midfielder was completed well before the end of the season. ________________________________________________ BVB – Infrastructure and Facilities The Stadium The Signal Iduna Park is the third largest club stadium in Europe. It holds a whopping 80,465 people and is home to the world famous ‘Yellow Wall’. The Yellow Wall is located in the Sudtribune (South Bank) part of the stadium and is the largest standing terrace for spectators of European football. This is where most of the atmosphere is generated from but the chants and cheers are echoed all around this fantastic stadium. Just like in real life, you will regularly fill the stadium at home games. As mentioned previously the name ‘Signal Iduna Park’ comes from when the naming rights of the Westfalenstadion were sold onto the financial company as another source of income when the club had hit challenging times. Many Dortmund fans still refer to the stadium as its original name though. The Borussia Dortmund II side play their home games at the Stadion Rote Erde which is located directly next to Signal Iduna Park. The stadium was built in the 1920’s and can hold an impressive 25,000 spectators. Training facilities As player development is one of the beliefs of the Borussia Dortmund philosophy it is unsurprising that the facilities are extremely good. The state of the art facility which is located just one hundred yards from the Signal Iduna Park is rated with four and a half stars on Football Manager 2014. It is also possible to get these facilities upgraded with a simple request to the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan377 Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 Borussia Dortmund on Football Manager 2014 BVB - Legends August Lenz (ex-player), Löthar Emmerich (ex-player), Aki Schmidt (ex-player) BVB - Icons Dedé (ex-player), Michael Zorc (ex-player), Lars Ricken (ex-player), Norbert Dickel (ex-player), Ottmar Hitzfeld (Champions League winning manager) BVB - Favoured Personnel Wolfgang de Beer (ex-player), Stefan Reuter (ex-player), Matthias Sammer (ex-player & manager), Jürgen Klopp (Current Manager) Derbies Revier Derby ("The mother of all German derbies") vs. FC Schalke 04, Borussen Derby vs. Borussia Mönchengladbach Fierce Rivalries FC Schalke 04 (Local rivals) Lesser Rivalries Bayern Munich (Competitive) BVB – Trophy Cabinet As you will be replacing one of Borussia Dortmund’s most successful managers the fans will be expecting more silverware sooner rather than later. Your most likely successes in the first season will be the Bundesliga and the DFB-Pokal Cup however, with the right tactics and a bit of luck you might be able to go one better than BVB did in the Champions League last year… BVB – Kits As has been the same for the past 100 years, Borussia Dortmund don the famous yellow and black for their home kit. Their away kit is a reversal of these two colours while the third kit is a white and grey effort from kitmakers Puma. BVB - Expectations The minimum expectation from the board is that the club should be challenging for the league title. They will offer you an extremely generous £17 million as well as a wage budget of £1.1million per week. This is an pretty good transfer budget seeing as Dortmund spent £42 million in the summer, although they did bring in £31.5 million through the sale of Mario Gotze to Bayern. If you feel that you can guarantee Bundesliga success the board will give you an extra £1.5 million for the transfer budget and an extra £100,000 onto the wage budget. In the first season the board request that they see a philosophy of fast flowing, attacking football. This is carrying on from the Jurgen Klopp era as he makes sure his players all work hard for each other but that they are always looking to attack and excite the BVB fans. As you will be inheriting his squad there should be no problem with you carrying on this philosophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan377 Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 Borussia Dortmund Senior Squad Analysis Goalkeepers Roman Weidenfeller | GK - Vice captain – Germany – 32 years old - £40,500 per week – 30/06/2014 Brought to the club in 2002, Weidenfeller will be your number one goalkeeper for the first season. His shot stopping is excellent and he has all the right attributes to keep goal for a top European side. His contract expires in summer 2014, I recommend offering him a one year deal so in the second season you can rotate between him and a younger goalkeeper. Mitchell Langerak |GK - Australia – 24 years old - £8,000 per week – 30/06/2016 Australian international Langerak is your second choice goalkeeper when you join the club. He will do the job for you when called up against lower opposition or in the DFB Pokal Cup but I would recommend moving him on in the future and he does become restless if not given opportunities. Defenders Lukasz Piszczek |FB - Poland – 28 years old - £65,000 per week – 30/06/2017 One part of the Polish trio at BVB, Lukasz Piszczek has been first choice right back at Borussia Dortmund since signing in 2010. Unfortunately, he is injured from the start of the game until around January 2014. He’ll still be a competent full back for you once he returns but you should be looking to bring in a right back as one of your first roles as Dortmund boss. Mats Hummels |CB - Germany – 24 years old - £49,000 per week – 30/06/2017 One of the highest rated centre backs in world football, Hummels joined Borussia Dortmund from rivals Bayern Munich for the paltry fee of €4 million. Excellent in the central defensive role as either a ball playing defender or central defender, you should be looking to keep Hummels at the club for as long as possible. Neven Subotic CB - Serbia – 24 years old - £32,500 per week – 30/06/2016 Brought in by Jurgen Klopp from his former club Mainz in 2008, Subotic has built up a brilliant partnership with fellow central defender Hummels. Works best as a limited or central defender, you might need to fend off early interest from Premier League clubs to keep Subotic at the Signal Iduna Park. Marcel Schmelzer |FB - Germany – 25 years old - £40,500 per week – 30/06/2017 German International Marcel Schmelzer has been at Dortmund his whole career and is currently the first choice left back at the club. Will do a good job for you in the first couple of seasons and is easily good enough for higher ranked European clubs but if you do have cash available there are better options out there. Sokratis Papastathopoulos | CB - Greece – 25 years old - £48,000 per week – 30/06/2018 Brought in by Jurgen Klopp in the summer, Sokratis is an excellent backup for your first choice centre back pairing of Hummels and Subotic. Previously at Werder Bremen, the Greek centre back has a wealth of Bundesliga experience and will do an excellent job for you when called upon. Erik Durm | FB - Germany – 21 years old - £7,250 per week – 30/06/2017 Promoted from the BVB II squad, Durm, who previously played as a striker, will offer decent cover for your first choice left back Schmelzer. At only 21 years old he does have the potential to grow but will need minutes and good tutoring. He is an expendable member of the squad though so it will be your decision if you want to let him go in the first season. Oliver Kirch | FB - Germany – 30 years old - £12,750 per week – 30/06/2014 Signed in the summer of 2012, Kirch has rarely featured for the Borussia Dortmund first team under Jurgen Klopp. At 30 years old there is little chance of him progressing as a footballer so I would advise to let him leave in your first summer as manager. His contract does expire in summer 2014 though so it is up to yourself whether you want to keep him for cover before letting him leave on a free in twelve months. Midfielders Sven Bender | DM – Germany – 24 years old - £48,000 per week – 30/06/2017 One half of the Bender twins both appearing in the Bundesliga, Sven is a defensive midfielder whose main role in the team is to break down attacks before passing the ball to one of the more creative players in the team. At only 24 he has the potential to grow and should be retained at all costs. Sebastian Kehl | DM – Captain – Germany – 33 years old - £49,000 per week – 30/06/2014 Club captain Sebastian Kehl has been at Borussia Dortmund for over a decade now after signing in 2001 from Freiburg. Another player very similar to Sven Bender, he offers good cover in the first season and is also a great option to tutor younger players. I feel the best option is to keep him for the season and then let him go for a free in the summer when his contract expires. Kevin Großkreutz | Anywhere – Germany – 24 years old - £32,500 per week – 30/06/2016 Kevin Großkreutz is Mr. Dortmund. A fan from the day he was born he used to have a season ticket in the Sudtribune before becoming a Dortmund player. An excellent utility man to have in the side with a brilliant work rate. He can play almost anywhere on the pitch and has even played in goal for Dortmund in real life! Nuri Sahin | MC – Turkey – 24 years old - £48,000 per week – Season long loan Currently in his second spell at Signal Iduna Park, Nuri Sahin is on a season long loan at Dortmund from Real Madrid. After an unhappy 2 years at Real Madrid and out on loan at Liverpool, Sahin returned to Dortmund in the summer. There is an option to buy him at the end of the season for around £5 million, a deal which could turn out to be an absolute bargain. Ilkay Gundogan | MC – Germany – 22 years old - £24,500 per week – 30/06/2015 One of the hottest properties in world football right now, Ilkay Gundogan was signed by Jurgen Klopp for a measly £3.5 million in 2011. An excellent deep lying playmaker in the game, you’ll need to fend off interest from Barcelona and Real Madrid to keep this star at the club. I’d suggest rejecting bids instantly that are under £30 million and offering him a new contract quite quickly. Jonas Hofmann | AMR – Germany – 20 years old - £32,000 per week – 30/06/2018 A player that signed in 2011 from 1899 Hoffenheim, Hofmann has enjoyed a successful couple of years playing for Dortmund II. Comfortable in any of the attacking midfield positions the youngster is a good option to bring off the bench in the latter stages of games with his high work rate and determination. Try to get a senior player tutoring him as soon as possible. Jakub Blaszczykowski | AMR – Poland – 27 years old - £48,000 per week – 30/06/2018 At 27 years old ‘Kuba’ is one of the more senior players in the Borussia Dortmund squad. With explosive acceleration and pace the Poland international should be your starter down the right hand side to provide excellent service to his fellow countryman Robert Lewandowski. His contract expires in 2018 so you’ll still get a few years of his blistering pace. Henrik Mkhitaryan | AMC – Armenia – 24 years old - £65,000 per week – 30/06/2017 Brought in by Jurgen Klopp in the summer to replace the departing Mario Gotze, Mkhitaryan will slot quite nicely into Dortmund’s formation and will easily be able to adopt to their fast flowing, attacking football. Making excellent off the ball runs and decisions, he works best as a trequartista playing just behind the striker. Marco Reus | AML – Germany – 24 years old - £65,000 per week – 30/06/2017 The jewel in the Dortmund crown, Reus was brought in from Monchengladbach for a fee of £13.75 million in the summer of 2012. This is already looking like yet another bargain for Dortmund as the boyhood Borussia fan is regularly contributing goals and assists. Comfortable anywhere in attacking midfield or as a striker, Reus is likely to be your star player for years to come. Strikers Robert Lewandowski | ST – Poland – 24 years old - £81,000 per week – 30/06/2014 A prolific goal scorer since signing for BVB in 2010 you are going to have a struggle on your hands keeping hold of Lewandowski. His contract is due to expire next summer and it seems that he has his heart set on a move away from Signal Iduna Park. His agent will speak to you but he has very excessive wage demands for his client. It’s up to you whether you want to let a 30+ goal a season striker leave for nothing at the end of the season. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang |ST – Gabon – 24 years old - £48,000 per week – 30/06/2018 Signed by Jurgen Klopp in the summer from French club Saint-Etienne, Aubameyang possesses a frightening amount of acceleration and in real life has even recorded faster sprinting times that Usain Bolt. Comfortable in the striker position or as an attacking midfielder on the wings, Aubameyang is a player who’ll get you goals but is unlikely to reach the heights Lewandowski will set. Julian Schieber | ST – Germany – 24 years old - £21,000 per week – 30/06/2016 A striker who has an excellent work rate and links up well with team mates but has a poor goal scoring record for the club. Schieber only managed three league goals last season in twenty three appearances and doesn’t have the quality to play for a top side like Dortmund. A player you should be looking to move on in the summer transfer window, will attract interest from the lower Bundesliga clubs. BVB - Prospects Analysis Koray Gunter | CB – Germany – 18 years old - £1,700 per week – 30/06/2014 Born in Germany to Turkish parents, Gunter is one of the hottest prospects currently in the Dortmund II squad. With some minutes and good tutoring from senior players, Gunter can easily develop into a first team regular for the club. I would advise on renewing his contract as it expires next summer. Marian Sarr | CB – Germany – 18 years old - £850 per week – 30/06/2014 Another centre back in the Dortmund second team who has the potential to step up into the first team. With good composure and passing, Sarr looks to suit the role of a ball playing defender. Again, his contract is up in the summer so it might be best to renew and give the player a couple more years at the club to see how he develops. Moritz Leitner | MC – Germany – 20 years old - £32,000 per week – 30/06/2017 Just starting his double season long loan at fellow Bundesliga club VfB Stuttgart it will be twenty four months before you can have Leitner back at your disposal. Likely to get regular game time at Stuttgart the young German midfielder looks like he could be a first teamer for Dortmund in a few years. Might even be able to jump into the first team once he returns. Marvin Ducksch | ST – Germany – 19 years old - £3,000 per week – 30/06/2018 A young striker in the Dortmund side with a decent potential rating, it looks like Ducksch will need regular minutes and quick if he is going to develop due to his low determination. He is contracted until 2018 and is on a low wage so you do have a good few years to judge the young forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan377 Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 BVB – Transfer Targets With a reasonable amount given to you to spend in the first transfer window, your main targets should probably be a right back to replace the long term injured Lukasz Piszczek and another striker to take the goalscoring burden off Robert Lewandowski. Here is a list of a few transfer targets you could bring in to help improve the squad. Marc-Andre ter Stegen | GK – Gladbach - Germany – 21 years old - £38,000 per week – 30/06/2015 An excellent goalkeeper who will only improve, ter Stegen has already been capped three times by the German national team. It may be a struggle to get Gladbach to part with their number one goalkeeper but with his contract running out in 2015 they may decide to cash in on their star player rather than risk losing him for nothing. Martin Montoya | RB – Barcelona – Spain – 22 years old - £47,000 per week – 30/06/2014 Second choice to Dani Alves at Barcelona, Martin Montoya is an excellent option to replace the injured Lukasz Piszczek. With his playing time at the Camp Nou limited, Montoya would be interested in a switch to the Bundesliga but is likely to ask for a payrise. At only twenty two years old, the full back has plenty of time to improve and may even be good enough to keep Piszczek on the bench once the Pole returns. Sebastian Jung | RB – Frankfurt – Germany – 23 years old - £32,000 per week – 30/06/2015 Another option to fill the right back position, Jung has been at Eintracht Frankfurt his whole career. He has been a regular in the Bundesliga over the past two seasons and looks good enough to be playing for one of the top sides in the league. Like the other two suggestions so far he also has plenty of time to grow as a player and has the potential to be good, if not better than Piszczek. Timo Werner | ST – Stuttgart – Germany – 17 years old - £625 per week – 30/06/2014 Currently one of the hottest prospects in German football, Werner looks like he could be the main striker for a European giant for years to come. He is yet to play in the Bundesliga with Stuttgart but with the right tutoring and regular run outs he could become one of the best strikers on the game. You’ll have to act quick if you want to bring Werner in though as Stuttgart usually offer him a new deal early on in the game. Kevin Volland | ST – Hoffenheim – Germany – 20 years old - £32,000 per week – 30/06/2017 Another top quality young German striker, Volland will be hard to prize away from fellow Bundesliga club Hoffenheim. Already a regular for the side he has just recently signed a new deal that will keep him at the club until 2017. However, with Hoffenheim regularly occupying the relegation places in the league they may end up having to sell their prized asset and they’ll no doubt have plenty of interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan377 Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 BVB – Tactical Advice Playing Style Under Jurgen Klopp, Borussia Dortmund playing a fast paced, high pressing and attacking brand of football. This makes them a joy to watch in real life as they are constantly closing down members of the opposition team and quickly turning defence into attack once they win the ball back. In Football Manager 2014 the board will expect you to play a brand of attacking football so I suggest implementing the tactics and philosophy that the current crop of players are already used to and carrying on the Jurgen Klopp way. To learn more on the way Borussia Dortmund play and how to implement this tactic in Football Manager, I suggest reading this thread by Luken33. Suggested Formations and best XI 4-2-3-1 Attacking This should be your main tactic going into your first season as Borussia Dortmund boss. Very similar to the formation that the club use in real life under Jurgen Klopp, this formation brings out the best in all of your players. With a strong back four also being helped sometimes by Sven Bender and Ilkay Gundogan it will be hard for the opposition to break you down. The forward line is the most impressive part of this set up though with Blaszczykowski constantly terrorising full backs, Henrik Mkhitaryan floating in and around behind the striker, Marco Reus regularly cutting inside and becoming a second striker and Robert Lewandowski pouncing on any half chances you should have no problems scoring goals whoever the opposition may be. I have also selected the players best roles in this tactic as well with Ilkay Gundogan your best option as a playmaker. He will mainly keep his position in the centre of the field and a lot of your play is likely to go through the German international. 4-2-3-1 Defensive A slight variation from the first tactic, this setup is more focused on the defensive side of the game. With Bender and Gundogan sitting much deeper in this formation it will make it extremely hard for the opposition to get through your defence although the gap in the centre of midfield means that your oppoents are likely to control this area of the pitch. With this formation you are relying on quick counter attacks and some individual brilliance from your attackers. This might be best to employ near the end of the game if you are trying to protect a lead. 4-2-2-2 Another option for you to have as Borussia Dortmund, this tactic employs two strikers. Similar to the first choice tactic you have a set back four with two players in the central midfield area of the pitch. With this formation though you have a second striker always alongside Robert Lewandowski. With Aubameyang working best as an advanced forward it might be best to give the Gabon International this role allowing Lewandowski to become more of a poacher in and around the box. A decent tactic to apply if you are struggling with the first choice tactic. ________________________________________________ Thank you for reading this thread on Borussia Dortmund in Football Manager 2014. It has been a joy to put together and being a keen follower of BVB I have used some of my personal knowledge of the club to help you get the best Football Manager experience. With this being my first team guide I would welcome any constructive criticism/feedback on how I can improve in the future. I would like to thank ‘SRL88’ for his excellent guide on creating a team thread, ‘Llew_Arshavin23’ for his sensational Borussia Dortmund 2013 guide which helped me greatly when playing as BVB on Football Manager 2013 and has aided me in creating this guide and also ‘Luken33’ for his brilliant guide on the tactical side of how BVB play. Good luck with your save! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark. Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Top thread mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Great thread was planning to make one a couple weeks back. I managed Dortmund for two seasons, won the CL in the second season with not that many transfers. The key for me was to keep hold of Lewandowski, He signed about 3 contracts in two years, the first was £60k a week with a 50% wage rise, as soon as he got the 50% rise, I got him to sign another contract for a couple grand more and that clause out of his contract. Wasn't the best plan! But he's worth it. The squad is pretty small, so I'd sign a defender and a RB as Lukasz Piszczek is out for awhile. Papadopulos can cover though and Großkreutz comes in handy whenever you need to fill a gap in the side. Also, you can keep negotiating loan deals with Real Madrid for Nuri Sahin quite easily, or just pay the £5m clause to sign him permanently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoobyBlah Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Great thread mate good job, been hanging out for a Dortmund thread even though I don't have FM14 yet ha. I think Aubameyang's finishing is a bit low for a guy that scored over 20 goals last season, but his crazy pace will no doubt create lots of chances. The Lewandowski issue is annoying, coz I usually like to have a wage limit of around 70k and he's already over it... But he's just so good. How much can you cash him in for at the start, has anyone tried? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 At last a thread about my standard fm team! lets have some fun here guys! welcome all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 so I'd sign a defender and a RB as Lukasz Piszczek is out for awhile. Papadopulos can cover though and Großkreutz comes in handy whenever you need to fill a gap in the side. Btw i think you meant Papastathopoulos mate, papadopoulos is a different greek player (DC too) playing currently for schalke heh.. I dont blame you though because if you arent greek as me its so tough to memorise them lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyyak Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 What tactics are people using? Anyone been able to replicate the super-hard pressing Dortmund employ in real life? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernGooner Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Great thread. I did the BVB thread for I think it was FM12. Will be having a save with them on FM14 at some point for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan377 Posted November 15, 2013 Author Share Posted November 15, 2013 Well this hurt a lot, 2-0 up and cruising in the 2015 Supercup final. In their own backyard as well. - Top thread mate Thank you Great thread was planning to make one a couple weeks back. I managed Dortmund for two seasons, won the CL in the second season with not that many transfers. The key for me was to keep hold of Lewandowski, He signed about 3 contracts in two years, the first was £60k a week with a 50% wage rise, as soon as he got the 50% rise, I got him to sign another contract for a couple grand more and that clause out of his contract. Wasn't the best plan! But he's worth it. The squad is pretty small, so I'd sign a defender and a RB as Lukasz Piszczek is out for awhile. Papadopulos can cover though and Großkreutz comes in handy whenever you need to fill a gap in the side. Also, you can keep negotiating loan deals with Real Madrid for Nuri Sahin quite easily, or just pay the £5m clause to sign him permanently. Thanks Unfortunately I started as Dortmund in the beta when the transfer of Lewandowski to Bayern was hard coded in the game. Would have probably offered him the wages he wanted if I had the chance. Great thread mate good job, been hanging out for a Dortmund thread even though I don't have FM14 yet ha.I think Aubameyang's finishing is a bit low for a guy that scored over 20 goals last season, but his crazy pace will no doubt create lots of chances. The Lewandowski issue is annoying, coz I usually like to have a wage limit of around 70k and he's already over it... But he's just so good. How much can you cash him in for at the start, has anyone tried? Thanks pal Great thread. I did the BVB thread for I think it was FM12. Will be having a save with them on FM14 at some point for sure. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batty1 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Fantastic thread pal, lots of detail! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brento Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Lewandowski is coded to join Bayern Munich on free transfer in the summer. Who do advise to replace him? first transfer window disabled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batty1 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Lewandowski is coded to join Bayern Munich on free transfer in the summer. Who do advise to replace him? first transfer window disabled. He's not on the latest patch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan377 Posted November 15, 2013 Author Share Posted November 15, 2013 Lewandowski is coded to join Bayern Munich on free transfer in the summer. Who do advise to replace him? first transfer window disabled. I don't think he is on the latest patch mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batty1 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I don't think he is on the latest patch mate. I've re-read what he said, maybe he started on the patch previous? so Brento, try Werner, Mame Diouf, Volland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brento Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Ok thanks guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babak G Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Does that make sense that Hoffman and Leitner are on more wages than Gundogan and similar to Grosskreutz? I assume Ilkay signed his contract earlier but the wages for the 2 youngsters are a bit high IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batty1 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Does that make sense that Hoffman and Leitner are on more wages than Gundogan and similar to Grosskreutz?I assume Ilkay signed his contract earlier but the wages for the 2 youngsters are a bit high IMO. Haven't looked myself yet, but I'd have though Ilkay would have been on higher wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryknow Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I agree with Babak, I don't think Leitner and Hofmann are anywhere near those figures quoted. Not sure who edited the BVB data but I'd hazard a guess and say its completely made up. I realise it's difficult to find out, but I'd say around the €10,000-15,000pw range would be closer. Gündogan hasn't signed a new deal since joining so I understand why his wages are low, just like Lewandowski's was pre-wage hike. They were quoted around the €25,000pw mark before his triple wage increase this season to make him 'happy'. That's crazy you get so much money at the start of the season. Pretty sure Watzke said there was only €50mil transfer kitty, with most of it being spent. Wasn't going to get this years version, but kind of keen now. Great work on the post and a huge thanks to including screenshots of the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan377 Posted November 16, 2013 Author Share Posted November 16, 2013 I agree with Babak, I don't think Leitner and Hofmann are anywhere near those figures quoted. Not sure who edited the BVB data but I'd hazard a guess and say its completely made up. I realise it's difficult to find out, but I'd say around the €10,000-15,000pw range would be closer. Gündogan hasn't signed a new deal since joining so I understand why his wages are low, just like Lewandowski's was pre-wage hike. They were quoted around the €25,000pw mark before his triple wage increase this season to make him 'happy'. That's crazy you get so much money at the start of the season. Pretty sure Watzke said there was only €50mil transfer kitty, with most of it being spent. Wasn't going to get this years version, but kind of keen now. Great work on the post and a huge thanks to including screenshots of the players. No problem mate, good luck with your save if you do get the game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Btw concerning Hofmann and Leitner wages you need to know this: Moritz Leitner PA: -9( that is somewhere between 160-180) , also from another site i checked Hoffman is somewhere near 160+ PA . So with proper guidance and many games they become top players for sure.. Ofc that doesn't justify their huge wages from early on, but still they are not garbage.. so some day they will deserve those wages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryknow Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Should probably put those figures in spoiler tags mate, most people don't want to know the potential. They would justify those wages when at that level, but they are far from it. I'm not sure why they were given such high wages. Is Stuttgart paying 100% of Leitner's wages though? In that case it's no big deal, but Hofmann wouldn't be on those wages imo. At the end of the day it's not big deal, just strange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Should probably put those figures in spoiler tags mate, most people don't want to know the potential.They would justify those wages when at that level, but they are far from it. I'm not sure why they were given such high wages. Is Stuttgart paying 100% of Leitner's wages though? In that case it's no big deal, but Hofmann wouldn't be on those wages imo. At the end of the day it's not big deal, just strange. I did put it in spoilers now sorry hehe.. Well leitner wage is being payed 100% by stuttgart so yeah. I agree with you for Hoffmann. Actually i have sold hoffmann because of that.. needed to relief my salary budget Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Good thread I enjoyed my Dortmund save immensely on FM13. Tempted to start with Dortmund on FM14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Hi again fellow dortmund managers.. i need a little advice.. I wonna know different opinions on where to play Januzaj and vitinho ...on my Dortmund save 2nd season.So i fit them all properly in team and get the max out of them. System classic 4-2-3-1. Already have Reus on the left and Brandt on free transfer behind him ..on the right side i have Iancu as starter this guy is beast as AMR IF(he had 23 goals , 14 assists in 30 games last season ) and still can trigger Gaitan clause and buy him for 8m ( had him on loan last season and did great 13 assists , 10 goals on 20 games, also now his value is 16m). On AMC position i got Mikitarian and Hughes so position there is full. So the question remains where to play vitinho and Januzaj ? and shall i buy gaitan too for resale value? or i will make my team heavy crowded? Helpful diagram lol: AML : Reus, Brandt , X AMR: Iancu, Gaitan(?), X Any opinions welcome. Help plz .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-zolla Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 out of interest what are the player restrictions for the Dortmund II? is it all under 23 and german only? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Why is this thread so dead? we need action !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I've decided to start as Dortmund, just setting the game up now. I will be sure to update once the first transfer window is done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I've decided to start as Dortmund, just setting the game up now. I will be sure to update once the first transfer window is done. Good luck mate! have fun! Btw i would still like some help in my post #28 if anyone has the experience to help me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Hi again fellow dortmund managers.. i need a little advice..I wonna know different opinions on where to play Januzaj and vitinho ...on my Dortmund save 2nd season.So i fit them all properly in team and get the max out of them. System classic 4-2-3-1. Already have Reus on the left and Brandt on free transfer behind him ..on the right side i have Iancu as starter this guy is beast as AMR IF(he had 23 goals , 14 assists in 30 games last season ) and still can trigger Gaitan clause and buy him for 8m ( had him on loan last season and did great 13 assists , 10 goals on 20 games, also now his value is 16m). On AMC position i got Mikitarian and Hughes so position there is full. So the question remains where to play vitinho and Januzaj ? and shall i buy gaitan too for resale value? or i will make my team heavy crowded? Helpful diagram lol: AML : Reus, Brandt , X AMR: Iancu, Gaitan(?), X Any opinions welcome. Help plz .. You'll have a lot of players! I usually keep two for each position with one back up youngster. Reus and Brandt will be fighting for that spot for a decade. so do you really need another player there?. Better to get one up from your youth team really.. on the right what happened to Kuba? Did you sell him? On my Inter save I converted Vitinho to an AM role and he's immense, constant goals and assists but he would be more suited to the left but he's got a lot of competition there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 You'll have a lot of players! I usually keep two for each position with one back up youngster. Reus and Brandt will be fighting for that spot for a decade. so do you really need another player there?. Better to get one up from your youth team really.. on the right what happened to Kuba? Did you sell him? On my Inter save I converted Vitinho to an AM role and he's immense, constant goals and assists but he would be more suited to the left but he's got a lot of competition there. Really thanks for replying mate! You really helped me! yes i have sold kuba 1rst season and made a great profit of him helping me strengthen other vital areas.. Think i wont buy gaitan.. keep Reus as first teamer on the left side with Vitinho as his substitute. On the right wing i think i am ok with Iancu as starter(already a beast for me in first season there) and Januzaj(in IF role) as back up. Maybe i keep Brandt to give him some games( around 20-25)on either wing in easy matches etc.. or just send him for loan! Guess thats the best thing i can do to keep them all happy and develop them to the max... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benchester Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Signed Seb Jung, Honda and Brandt in the first window and have started quite well. Joint top at the moment with Bayern, through to the 2nd round of the Champions League and through to the quarter finals of the German Cup. Recommend Jung as a part time replacement for Piszczeck and definitely Honda who you can swap with Henrik M. I'll be looking for a back up left back, a back up ball winner for Bender and definitely a new goalkeeper because Weidenfeller isn't good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benchester Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Also has anyone got Aubameyang firing? He's been terrible for me and I'm considering selling him at the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Also has anyone got Aubameyang firing? He's been terrible for me and I'm considering selling him at the end of the season. I sold him for 15m.. better sell him soon enough to get the most out of him.. he is ok as a winger due to his speed but not a good striker imo. There are better and cheaper options for sure! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I played him as a target man winger, he was lethal in away games when playing on the counter attack, didn't score many but got plenty of assists for Lewandowski. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I played him as a target man winger, he was lethal in away games when playing on the counter attack, didn't score many but got plenty of assists for Lewandowski. Yeah thats what i am saying he is only good at the wing but still you can get better players there... also reus is far better and definately starter there. My opinion is to sell him and get a nice profit of him then buy according to needs.. ask me if you want specific position recommendation players as i completely reorganised my team from season1 and won CL too... had to sell lewadowski though for 60m to strengthen all areas needed but i dont regret it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nampuk Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Currently looking for a potential world class ball winning midfielder around the age of 20-22, any ideas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Currently looking for a potential world class ball winning midfielder around the age of 20-22, any ideas? Wanyama is the best tested by myself. If you cant afford him( or shouthampton dont let him go early on the game) , check those people in this order: 2) Lucas Romero from Velez. 3)Papadopoulos from Schalke(With retrain at mid he is beast as BWM(D) but firstly check his scout reports to see if he is injury prone on your save, if not go on signing him without hesitation. 4) Diego Reyes from Porto. But for me you should definately try to sign Wanyama he is the best and a real TANK... (scores some goals in offense too from distance with his ~ 18 long shots )! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 There's also Gaston Gil Romero from Estudiantes, he's very similar to Lucas Romero. Wanyama is a beast, looking at him 3 seasons in at Man City on my save is scary. I think Pedro Obaing could be deployed as a ballwinner as well. @Vaggi - I sold Aubaymeng for £39m if i remember correctly! he needs a stat boost in my opinion..he's a better finisher than how he is portrayed on the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 There's also Gaston Gil Romero from Estudiantes, he's very similar to Lucas Romero. Yeah this guy too but from what i have read in net he is a slightly worse than Romero. But still great alternative. @Vaggi - I sold Aubaymeng for £39m if i remember correctly! he needs a stat boost in my opinion..he's a better finisher than how he is portrayed on the game. Wow Great deal there mate But i guess you sold him january 2014 or maybe next year.. I just needed the money from the start of season1 to buy my targets fast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryknow Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The fact that you guys are talking about Weidenfeller not being that good and Wanyama being a beast is worrying. Sounds like there wasn't much of an increase/decrease in either of the players. Weidenfeller, imo, needs to be the 2nd best keeper in the Bundesliga while Wanyama's quality should be lowered in the next transfer update. Wanyama has far too high attributes in key areas. Not hard to impress when playing at Celtic, now he's being shown up more so. Weidenfeller needs a better boost. As you guys did, I sold him after one season on FM13. Wasn't due to star rating or anything, he just made stupid mistakes. Another ball winner/box-to-box would be Sebastian Rode, if you want to go down the German road. I'm keen on starting a RB Leipzig save, focusing on German youth and mainly academy players. My Dortmund save got easy rather fast even though I out restrictions on it. @Ranquelme: £39mil for Aubameyang, what a fee! As much as I like him, I'd sell him too. I think Volland isn't far from his quality and much more room to improve, both IRL and FM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nampuk Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Thanks for the feedback guys, will sure look at Wanyama... unfortunately or not I missed Sebastian Rode on free transfer but he was looking for 90k p/w which was something I cannot afford. Lewandowski left the club for Barca and I replaced him with Luis Suarez who came rather cheap after L'pool were in some kind of crisis. So far I'm satisfied with Suarezs performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Does Anyone have Brandt in his team 2season? does it worth giving him some games as my 5th winger(planning giving him around 20 games)? or should i just loan him out? i really dont want to burn him but dunno if it would be a good idea for his development to loan him out too .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nampuk Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 I have him in my team as a second option to Aubameyang and I'm really satisfied. He is injury prone tho... for half a season he got 3 injuries that took him out for ~2 weeks each. Nevertheless, when he is alright and I give him a chance - he never disappoints. I say keep him in your team and rotate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaggi Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 I have him in my team as a second option to Aubameyang and I'm really satisfied. He is injury prone tho... for half a season he got 3 injuries that took him out for ~2 weeks each. Nevertheless, when he is alright and I give him a chance - he never disappoints. I say keep him in your team and rotate him. Cool that i was thinking to do! thanks mate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryknow Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Also keep in mind he might lose HG status if you loan him out, but I'm guessing he'd only get HG Nation if you signed him second season. I avoid that by loaning my German players to German clubs, so at least I get HG Nation, but mostly wait until they get HG club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervatron Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 In my second season with Dortmund,won the Bundesliga in first,also managed to beat off bids for Hummels,Subotic,Gundogan,Reus,Lewandowski,got Lewandowski to sign a new deal!! at the end of second season maybe will be hard to keep hold of them but will get top dollar to re-invest! signed Janmaat (dutch fullback) as cover for Piszczek but he's progressed that well he is now first choice & Inter Milan are now sniffing around,i've given Hoffman a reasonable amount of game time & he is progressing well too,Sahin was signed for 5 million,ter Stegen was my major purchase at the beginning of second season,Umtiti also signed as cover for centre back & left back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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