MUFC95 Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Hi Guys, I was using fm genie for the first time and found that a gk regen that I have had since the start of my save has a pa of 199!! he is now 23 and doesnt look great can I have any advice on how to help him reach his ability thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnlc Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Having him tutored to raise determination, work rate and other mental stats. At 23 it may be a it late though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 What's his CA? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 And a screenshot will help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC95 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 kk 2mins until screenshot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MUFC95 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 His CA is 150 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnlc Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Teamwork 1 and Work rate 4 probably hindered his development I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 He's pretty good already. Still chance to improve his CA. Since you are using an editor, what's his ambition and professionalism? Also include his tutor options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC95 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 yeh thats what I thought Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Teamwork 1 and Work rate 4 probably hindered his development I think. No they don't but not playing him does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Teamwork 1 and Work rate 4 probably hindered his development I think. Teamwork does not influence development while there is no conclusive evidence that workrate is important in GKs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC95 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 12 and 7.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC95 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 i do play him but it is only even a couple of games into season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 12 and 7.... And tutor options? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnlc Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 I'm sure I read that workrate plays a part in the development of youth players, are you certain it doesn't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC95 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 I'm sure I read that workrate plays a part in the development of youth players, are you certain it doesn't? just common sense says that it does Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Professionalism, ambition and workrate for outfield players. I'm not inclined to believe that workrate matters for GKs as it's not a crucial attribute for most GKs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC95 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 I'm sure I read that workrate plays a part in the development of youth players, are you certain it doesn't? just common sense says that it does Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC95 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 i used lloris and akinfeev as tutors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnlc Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Professionalism, ambition and workrate for outfield players. I'm not inclined to believe that workrate matters for GKs as it's not a crucial attribute for most GKs. Surely it affects how he applies himself in training? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemparowkenastoprocent Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 by the way, why you're managing Man City and you have nick "MUFC95"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 And tutor options? Pretty, please? You might still get some fast CA gains for a year or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC95 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 Pretty, please? You might still get some fast CA gains for a year or so. i said lloris and akinfeev Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hejh0pp Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 i do play him but it is only even a couple of games into season He's never going to fulfill his potential unless you play him for at least 10-15 games a season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Surely it affects how he applies himself in training? Workrate is how hard he works in a match isn't it? Can't see GKs running all over the field. i used lloris and akinfeev as tutors Both are good tutors. Get him tutored by Lloris, then Akinfeev. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afced7 Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Workrate is how hard he works in a match isn't it? And in training. It stands to reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBall Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 And in training. It stands to reason. In theory, but game-wise I think it just applies to matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancer890 Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 No they don't but not playing him does. This. If you play him a little more it will help him improve. Play him 2-3 times a month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Pretty sure it just applies to matches, lots of regen GK's seem to have poor workrate and teamwork or at least they do on most of my games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB68 Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 I'd think at 23 , he is too old to be tutored. But, remember, that GKs don't peak until around 28 to 33, much later than outfield players. So, I'd say he still has a good chance to come very close to his PA. As some others have mentioned, he will ned regular first team games to have any hope. A loan might be an option, but as he is an established international already, I would think it will be unlikely he will go anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedaye Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 seen a few with 200, though they always seam to be let down in one or two key attributes where ever they play. Like natural fitness being 6 or stamina being 7. While that does not effect your GK it totally ruins the rest of your players. Even on the GK I found with 200 he had awful mental stats and never got on with any GK I tried to coach him with, tbh I don't think I have ever had a successful GK tutoring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 23 yo is still young enough to be tutored. You can sometimes go up to 26 even. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 seen a few with 200, though they always seam to be let down in one or two key attributes where ever they play. Like natural fitness being 6 or stamina being 7. While that does not effect your GK it totally ruins the rest of your players. Even on the GK I found with 200 he had awful mental stats and never got on with any GK I tried to coach him with, tbh I don't think I have ever had a successful GK tutoring. National Fitness is an indication of how fast they recover in between matches so it's not a key attribute. Stamina 7 is bad for outfield players but doesn't matter to GKs as they don't run around the field. I personally think GKs are the easiest to tutor though, as long as you have a nice tutoring GK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Furia Roja Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 what training schedule are you using? You dont want just focus on tutoring him and not developing his physical stats too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 Doesn't his physical attributes look decent enough for a GK? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedaye Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 Like I said it wouldn't effect the GK in those areas. I really must be unlucky with GK's and tutoring, I can't remember one that had a positive effect. :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Furia Roja Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 Doesn't his physical attributes look decent enough for a GK? not with a PA of 199. They could all get 1 or 2 points more with the right training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 not with a PA of 199. They could all get 1 or 2 points more with the right training. The current attributes are good enough tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Furia Roja Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 your joking right? If i had a goal keeper with 199 PA i wouldnt be happy with 15 for command of area, 13 for communication and rushing out, surprised anyone would be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 your joking right? If i had a goal keeper with 199 PA i wouldnt be happy with 15 for command of area, 13 for communication and rushing out, surprised anyone would be? what training schedule are you using? You dont want just focus on tutoring him and not developing his physical stats too You were talking about physical attributes, which I think is decent enough already. Ofc I want key attributes like command of area, communication, rushing out to be higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Furia Roja Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 ok my bad, still a keeper with 9 for agility? Surely thats not what you would consider good? Remembering that 199 is near enough the highest rating a player can have? Still has the potential but i think too much focus is being thrown on the mental side rather than his actual ability Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 Aerial ability is what counts for GKs, not agility. His mental attributes need to be high for faster development. As it is currently, his further development is shunt by his relatively poor mental attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Furia Roja Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 agree to disagree mate, not worth going around in circles. I believe that his actual training is just as important as his mental, you dont and thats your opinion which you are more than welcome to, best of luck to you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 Actual training is important, yes. But if the mental attributes are not right, even the best training and best coaches may not improve him much. If you go into the tactics forum and read the many good articles like SFrazer's, you will find that mental attributes of professionalism, ambition, workrate and determination (in that order) are the most crucial, followed by game time amongst others. Training / coaches will just distribute points to the respective attributes. I had a IV striker, PA 189 and with the potential to be a next Drogba. Professionalism? 8. Ambition? 1. Even with the best coaches and tutors, he didn't improve and is in no-man's land now. Ambition 12 and Professionalism 7 isn't very good for the OP's player. Best of luck to you in whatever way you think too. It's your game and it doesn't affect me at all. I just feel the OP should be properly informed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elazulreal Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 My fav. is Barca's regens. Every year they get about 5 regens over 180 pa. Yes, 200 potential ability. A Spanish guy named Yeong Ci Chun is interesting either This one's attributes are more logical by the way. It is all about luck i think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 The name's a bug you get with Spanish, Brazilian players with Genie Scout. Nice starting attributes although I would have preferred anticipation to be higher. With the right tutor, he can become very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedaye Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 I am sure he has a 2nd nationality much like my Portugal U21 newgen I had called Takeshi Yamashita. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 The screenshot only shows him as having Spanish nationality though. It's a known bug anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedaye Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 mine show him only having Portugal nationality. The other only shows up on the personal screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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