t_i_n_o2001 Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 The year is 2015. Scotland are ranked 2nd in the FIFA International rankings and Hearts have won the CL 3 seasons on the trot. Problem is, every SPL side has more Englishmen than Scotsmen in their squad. Out of the top 35 players on average rating - 17 are English and just 5 are Scottish. Is this another regen problem, where Scottish clubs are not producing even average players while the database is overflowing while Prem regens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_i_n_o2001 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 The year is 2015. Scotland are ranked 2nd in the FIFA International rankings and Hearts have won the CL 3 seasons on the trot. Problem is, every SPL side has more Englishmen than Scotsmen in their squad. Out of the top 35 players on average rating - 17 are English and just 5 are Scottish. Is this another regen problem, where Scottish clubs are not producing even average players while the database is overflowing while Prem regens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_i_n_o2001 Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 Also, this is throughout Divisions 1, 2 and 3 aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
endtime Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 The English regens have higher PA than Scottish regens, which is why clubs prefer to sign Englishmen, since they ask for the same wages. I think there need to be some sanity checks on that in the game, especially when it comes to part-time contrats. I think the same happens in Wales and Northern Ireland, incidentally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damienroden Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 all seems right, england will always be better than scotland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon07 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 This is very bizzare! To find that many englishmen prepared to travel to the dark side of the border... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullion1 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 anyone else seeing this as a potential race war? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
airdr1e Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 bit like real life in that england r always vastly overrated and fantasy that they will actually ever win anythin ever again lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-time Orange Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 It's because English players are better and are being lured to the now better clubs of Scotland (possibly what led to the rise of the Scottish clubs in the first place?). In terms of a realism, it's probably correct for the SPL (doubts about the lower leagues though). In reality though, the raising of the standard of the Scottish game should eventually lead to a rise in Scottish youth PA but a decline in top-flight opportunities. There would still be a huge increase in foreigners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattymcl Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I had a save game before the patch that had reached 2018. Joined Partick, and the first team squad (of about 24 players) had 3 Scottish nationals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damienroden Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 even if they dont ever win anything again, they will still be far better than scotland, they have two teams that detroy the league every season and they are about as good as a mid table premiership team. english league better english national team better just worth mentioning, scotland backed out of a potential friendly, pussys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullion1 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 English League: More money. English team: Very debatable. also, would you play your biggest rivals lacking a full first team? exactly. you're acting like a child. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
airdr1e Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 lol some1 takin it 2 heart diffrence is scotland dont go in2 everythin sayin or expecting 2 win england have better players fact but they are way short of being a better team or even a good team they do not pull together bunch of prima donnas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
airdr1e Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 also scotland took a group containing world champs runnrers up and quarter finalsts down to the wire england failed in a group of average teams would england take 6 points from france?????? 2 clean sheets doubt it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2hotty111 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 at least england have won something! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Doyle Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I get the Feeling that Damienroden is english and under the age of 10. He should maybe check the Fifa rankings in real life before he goes spouting rubbish. Scotland 14th England 11th Population of Scotland 5 million odd (with 1 million of that being English/polish etc) Population of England 50 million odd Now lets compare the leagues... Yes Scotland has two top teams that win everything... England has 4 teams that win everything so what exactly is his point? Seriously hes as bad as all the little scottish neds that watch braveheart and think its a historical documentary and start hating english people. I guess theres tossers on both sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullion1 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 in fact, i've just realised that that's pretty much the state of the english league, minus the english players. i've done some reading and out of the 4 english teams in the champions league now, there are 12 english players, whereas in scotland, with one team, there are 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 look, scotland 14th in fifa rankings. england 11th in fifa rankings. population of scotland, 5000000. population of england, 45000000. so in terms of producing talent scotland win. and the leagues, well england win hands down but only because england cannot produce decent players so clubs have to look else where. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawshiels Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t_i_n_o2001: The year is 2015. Scotland are ranked 2nd in the FIFA International rankings and Hearts have won the CL 3 seasons on the trot. Problem is, every SPL side has more Englishmen than Scotsmen in their squad. Out of the top 35 players on average rating - 17 are English and just 5 are Scottish. Is this another regen problem, where Scottish clubs are not producing even average players while the database is overflowing while Prem regens? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> What I'd like to see is a distinction between the reputation of the country's football team and the quality of youngsters in it. Here's why. The quality of FREDs for each nationality in the game is determined by the reputatation of the country. I can understand why SI did it this way but it makes long term games a bit frustrating for the smaller nations. If you increase the reputation of the national team, the quality of FREDs with that nationality will increase. So, if you don't mind staying out of international football (as Scotland's manager in this case), raise the reputation of the nation to a much higher number (9999 is the highest). Remember that if you raise this and DO take on the Scotland job, you will be expected to win everything because of your reputation so stay away from that national job. Hope this helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damienroden Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 havent scotland got the almost worst teenage pregnancy, lowest employment , worst alcohol problem and lowest life expectancy in europe LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Will the reputation of the country increase the more successful it is Hawsheils? I mean from within FM of course. This in turn would mean better youngsters in the future? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullion1 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 now i'm sure you're 10, and that has nothing to do with football, take it to the daily mail forums damien. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Oh, and can everyone please stop debating Scotland/England issues - footballing or otherwise - in this forum. We've got an Off Topic forum for that very reason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damienroden Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 hit you where it hurts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Doyle Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by damienroden: havent scotland got the almost worst teenage pregnancy, lowest employment , worst alcohol problem and lowest life expectancy in europe LOL </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I havent checked anything official so you may be right. However it seems as though England surpasses everybody else by having the biggest Dee Dee Dee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullion1 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 nope, i'm just for civility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
airdr1e Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 damien has obviously nothin 2 bac up his argument which is why he is resorting to child like insults Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearsy Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by damienroden: hit you where it hurts? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I think someone needs to grow up. My guess is 14, but i'm probably wrong. As for both footballing nations I don't think either have much to shout about. Neither qualified for the Euros, although Scotland were closest. As for the leagues, the English is better. No competition, although that is due largely to the foreigners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turn it upto 11 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 whats a dee dee dee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 agreein with u there airdr1e. nae proof whatsoever. grow up damien Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
megafan2005 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> damienroden </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Krancjar taking a potshot from 30 yards disaster for England some mug in goals spills it. Eduardo plays a lovely through ball to Olic he places his shot past the keeper 2-0 Croatia. English Commentator "its 2-2 were through 1966 1966 1966 we are the best" Petric miles out not really threatning he shoots oh Carson just cant save anything today 3-2 to the Croats Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawshiels Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Caleyjag: Will the reputation of the country increase the more successful it is Hawsheils? I mean from within FM of course. This in turn would mean better youngsters in the future? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, it does Caleyjag. Spot on. However, it is a catch 22 situation as far as this goes. The only way the nation can get better youngsters is if it does well and wins games, but of course it is hard to win much (if anything) with Scotland without these good players. This is why I'd like to see a seperation between them in the database. What the database reflects very well is the current situation within each of the countries but not the changes. For example, I am pretty sure that anyone within the game recognises that Scotland has been forced to develop its younger talent and that many more are coming through the youth systems. Equally, there are countries (not going to get into a battle by naming them here) that have very few youths coming through. So, currently there is no way of reflecting this growth in the game. The FREDs are linked with the reputation of the country at the moment so it is almost static - unless you get a great manager that can turn it around for Scotland (or any other lower reputation team) - which would then in turn generate better youths. Does that make sense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAStewart Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Toon07: This is very bizzare! To find that many englishmen prepared to travel to the dark side of the border... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Wales? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbrahimAliMaher Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Well the English players have to go somewhere seeing as the premiership is full of foreigners and being sold off abroad, and Scotland is the nearest country with a league of a reasonable standard, makes perfect sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleyjag Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hawshiels: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Caleyjag: Will the reputation of the country increase the more successful it is Hawsheils? I mean from within FM of course. This in turn would mean better youngsters in the future? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, it does Caleyjag. Spot on. However, it is a catch 22 situation as far as this goes. The only way the nation can get better youngsters is if it does well and wins games, but of course it is hard to win much (if anything) with Scotland without these good players. This is why I'd like to see a seperation between them in the database. What the database reflects very well is the current situation within each of the countries but not the changes. For example, I am pretty sure that anyone within the game recognises that Scotland has been forced to develop its younger talent and that many more are coming through the youth systems. Equally, there are countries (not going to get into a battle by naming them here) that have very few youths coming through. So, currently there is no way of reflecting this growth in the game. The FREDs are linked with the reputation of the country at the moment so it is almost static - unless you get a great manager that can turn it around for Scotland (or any other lower reputation team) - which would then in turn generate better youths. Does that make sense? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, that makes perfect sense. A simple way to look at it - as you say - is the Scotland situation. Scotland's youth helped propel the country to a higher standing in the world, it wasn't the fact that we were playing better that produced better youth players. In fact, it's down to clubs and the introduction of better training and youth facilities that did this - maybe that's the way to link PA for regens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esteban_J88 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 DamienRoden is a fool. Mental capacity of a bee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeekoHFC Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Look at the likes of Scott Brown Kevin Thomson Aiden McGeady Steven Whittaker Steven Fletcher ( wanted by REAL MADRID) compared to Englands: Theo Walcott...when was the last time he got a game? Wayne Rooney,Beckham etc are probably the best youngsters to come out england during the years but the fact is that recentley Scotland has produced the best. And DamienRod or whatever your name is..Why bring all taht into a football discussion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I always load up all the leagues from the British Isles and find that the lower leagues in England and Scotland become full of Irish players. I have wondered if it's because my nationality is Northern Irish but the game database is set up before you enter your manager info, so it must just be coincidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_i_n_o2001 Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 Wow, this kinda swayed off topic at times... BTTT, a couple of people have said they think this is realistic. I cannot think of any footballing nation that would NOT have most of its sides filled with players from their own country. Can anyone advise how to perhaps stop this in future? Maybe only loading the EPL and not all the English leagues would help? Would be good if anyone else has had this same problem and how/if they resolved it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-time Orange Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MeekoHFC: Look at the likes of Scott Brown Kevin Thomson Aiden McGeady Steven Whittaker Steven Fletcher ( wanted by REAL MADRID) compared to Englands: Theo Walcott...when was the last time he got a game? Wayne Rooney,Beckham etc are probably the best youngsters to come out england during the years but the fact is that recentley Scotland has produced the best. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Have you been asleep for the last decade? What about Rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole, Michael Carrick, Jermaine Defoe, Glen Johnson, Mark Noble, Anton Ferdinand - all from one club that hasn't even been consistently in the Premier League. I'm sure they'd all be top players in the SPL. Not to mention the current crop of up & coming talent such as Bentley, Osman, Richards, Onuhua [sp], Johnson and pretty much all the U-21 national team. John Terry not good enough for Scotland? Gerrard? Owen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
endtime Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t_i_n_o2001: Can anyone advise how to perhaps stop this in future? Maybe only loading the EPL and not all the English leagues would help? Would be good if anyone else has had this same problem and how/if they resolved it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Don't load the English leagues, or set them to view only. That's the only workaround I found, and even then it's not waterproof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamshankley Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MeekoHFC: Look at the likes of Scott Brown Kevin Thomson Aiden McGeady Steven Whittaker Steven Fletcher ( wanted by REAL MADRID) compared to Englands: Theo Walcott...when was the last time he got a game? Wayne Rooney,Beckham etc are probably the best youngsters to come out england during the years but the fact is that recentley Scotland has produced the best. And DamienRod or whatever your name is..Why bring all taht into a football discussion? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Refer to table Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 also we have had a year of rubbish results while Scotland have had their best qualifying in ages (and still watching the Finals on TV I may add along side us English), and yet we are still above them in the Fifa rankings. *laughs and points* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjb2376 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by damienroden: havent scotland got the almost worst teenage pregnancy, lowest employment , worst alcohol problem and lowest life expectancy in europe LOL </div></BLOCKQUOTE> what a pr*ck! don't say anything on internet forums that you wouldn't say in real life. and if you spat all that out to the average scot, they'd probably panel you properly son... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canabary Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 o.O wow... I'm experiencing something totally different xD English players are avrage, while my scottish players Callum Black (striker with pa 200), Roger McDerek (CM with PA 182), Daniel Johnson (GK Pa 179)(english + scot) are mostly a lot better than my english regens I LOVE when games are this random. Thats what makes them special^_^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettGTE16v Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you increase the reputation of the national team, the quality of FREDs with that nationality will increase. So, if you don't mind staying out of international football (as Scotland's manager in this case), raise the reputation of the nation to a much higher number (9999 is the highest). Remember that if you raise this and DO take on the Scotland job, you will be expected to win everything because of your reputation so stay away from that national job. Hope this helps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I did this to Scotland as i noticed this problem. Raised the reputation by 2000 (around 7500 now IIRC)points to see if that helped, and keep some degree of realisim. Seems to have worked, and I never bother with international managment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turn it upto 11 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tjb2376: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by damienroden: havent scotland got the almost worst teenage pregnancy, lowest employment , worst alcohol problem and lowest life expectancy in europe LOL </div></BLOCKQUOTE> what a pr*ck! don't say anything on internet forums that you wouldn't say in real life. and if you spat all that out to the average scot, they'd probably panel you properly son... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> arent you adding violence to his list in there?? but seriously i think hes gone after he realised that noone had his back. btw how big was the gap between scotland and england before the qualifying brought them closer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewey Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 In my game as Rangers, there are alot of english in the scotland teams but also alot of scottish players in the english teams. Note.. Scotland are 3rd in the rankings and england are 4th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Snellink Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Does this consistently happen in every game you play, or just the one? As far as things go, I can't think of very many leagues where the best players aren't mostly of foreign nationality. The Dutch league has always had a lot of up and coming foreigners. Hell, looking at Ajax's squad I struggled to find Dutch players. I think if you put to it you could find plenty of capable Scottish players who just need a chance to break through. Scout away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmfan08 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Look England have got world class players and popularity Wayne Rooney, John Terry, Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, David Beckham, Frank Lampard? Oh look, don't all our world class players play in the english leagues minus beckham? Who does scotland have? Your best striker is Kenny Miller who can't score for Derby County who are bottom of the league! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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