Lower Leagues Rule Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 The New Europe See it here So I have been developing on this idea slowly, it is taking time, I realised what my database error was I had no 'scottish' teams in "A Lower Division" so this was causing issues when it tried to make the scottish cup...so I believe I have fixed the problem. I am working on the idea slowly and building it out. The Leagues USSR - This will include all the former soviet republics UK - Scotland, N. Ireland, Wales and England United East Germany - Will take the longest seperating who is east and west West Germany - As above Yugoslavia - Joining these nations together as well Czechoslovakia - Recombining these two as well Basque/Catalunya - All the Basque & Catalunyan Spanish teams shall have their own league (About 60 odd teams) New Nations Transylvania - Extracted from Hungary & Romania (May get its own league) Vatican City - A National Team Created, plus a club in the Italian League Palestine - I don't believe they are in the game Corsica - Just its own nationality for now Cyprus - The split is a definite need Belgium - A split into Flanders & Walloon, almost straight North/South Split Basque - Lets rip Spain apart Catalunya - Seperatist gallore The Possibles Sardina - Italy Sicily - Italy Azores - Portugal Tibet - China China - A Full Provincial Split Quebec - We all know they wanna split Now this is leaving me with an issue that I have a large number of nations that now will not exist, but I am trying to figure out how it is best to fix this up. One of the ideas was to remove the nations from the database, but I think this might cause more problems. If anyone has an idea or can think of some more splits I could make this would be great, otherwise I will come up with something, it might just take a while longer to achieve it. The Teams Placement I was originally going to do this purely on team reputation, but for example in the UK this would mean the Premiership has 18 English teams and 2 Scottish Teams, and Wales top team is only in the BSP level. So I am going to do it on a population ratio as well as Reputation. EG. The Premiership would have 16 English Teams, 2 Scottish Teams, 1 Welsh Team & 1 N. Irish Team. And this ratio would continue down through the leagues. I will follow a similar basis when doing the USSR League as it will make the balance fairer and also sort it so that there are teams from all the nations within every level, even if within a few seasons this will change. Help I need 1. Research - West vs East Germany Clubs & towns. 2. More possible country split ups. eg Turkey? 3. How to split the German Players & Spanish players properly. 4. Any help at all in a way to make a mass edit, eg. Being able to change all players with Scottish Nationality to United Kingdom easily. 5. Advice on what to do with the now empty nations: Slovakia, Croatia, Belarus, Ukraine, Estonia, Scotland, Wales, N.Ireland, Latvia, Lithiuania, all the Stans etc. If anyone can think of anything else that would be a great help as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fairbairn Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 The now empty nations will need to be de-activated... but I don't think that would be wise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 That was what I thought too Dave, so interestingly how do I deactivate a nation. Cause I will just deactivate a couple and see what happens. If that doesn't work i am going to just go through and add in the separatist movements around Europe to make it more interesting with more nations and so that I have leagues to fill all the playable ones I will make Non-playable European Leagues into playable ones Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
curswine Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Top of my head maybe switch around a couple of the nations so they are more regional leagues for example switch Estonia so it could be a Sicilian league, and Latvia for maybe Corsica, but this means a lot more work researching where each team is from. Also just coming up with idea's for more leagues would be difficult since a lot is being unified rather than broken down. - Sicily - Corsica - Greenland - Gozo - Gibraltar - Northern Cyprus - Vatican City? (clutching at straws now) Are all I can presently come up with for Europe, but maybe a couple could be turned into the same format as the Liechtenstein league? As for Asia taking out all the former Soviet countries will make it become trickier for info too if you're going to take it on. Maybe North/South Vietnam, Tibet, Kurdistan, West Bank, Gaza, West Papua are possibilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 I was thinking with the Asian countries spliting China up into provinces and having each one with its own leagues following a shift in World Power as Europe comes together and China falls apart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fairbairn Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 To deactivate a nation you remove it's continent and untick FIFA membership. You could just try unticking FIFA membership if removing the continent causes issues, but I assume that this will also cause issues. It works for adding nations(giving CIS/USSR etc a continent and ticking FIFA membership for them), but I think the ones in game are hard coded to be there and them not being there could cause big problems. Usually in the form of a crash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 I will just test it out Removing a couple of unplayable nations from the database and run a test. Thanks Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Superstar Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 how about combining Scandinavia? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Already thinking bout that one as well Paddy. Now everybody does anyone have a clue what sort of Macro Program I need to do some serious Mass Editing, as this would be a huge bonus and lead me to be able to make this database in a couple of days instead of a month that it looks like taking right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryohh Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Already thinking bout that one as well Paddy.Now everybody does anyone have a clue what sort of Macro Program I need to do some serious Mass Editing, as this would be a huge bonus and lead me to be able to make this database in a couple of days instead of a month that it looks like taking right now. Spend your time on something more useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Like what harry? I am off work for two weeks, and then following that I will be at work, but I do have my evenings and being an insomniac helps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmacko Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 How about doing Catalunya away from Spain aswell if you are having to make more countries or Monaco if really desperate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 I love how the same ideas come up both here and in CSE Forum, okies I am going to make a Basque/Catalunya League, each will have their own country, but because they only have about 30 clubs each I will combine them in one league, for that added rivalry. I will update the opening post with the current idea list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmacko Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I hope this can help you for Catalonia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Catalan_football_teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fairbairn Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Another thought, why not combine Rep. Ireland and N.Ireland, rather than adding N.Ireland to the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 New United Kingdom Leagues - A sneak peek I have been working on organising these teams this morning and here is a sneak peek at the playable Leagues + Those that will be promoted if you holiday. UK Premier League Man Utd Chelsea Arsenal Liverpool Tottenham Everton Man City Newcastle Aston Villa West Ham Portsmouth Blackburn Middlesbrough Bolton Sunderland Fulham Rangers Celtic Linfield Llanelli UK Championship Wigan West Brom Stoke Birmingham Reading Charlton Hull Wolves Sheff Utd Crystal Palace Ipswich Derby Q.P.R. Watford Norwich Aberdeen Dundee Utd Hibernian Hearts Motherwell Falkirk Kilmarnock Glentoran TNS UK League 1 Leeds Cardiff Southampton St. Mirren Inverness CT Sheff Wed Nottm Forest Preston Bristol City Leicester Dundee Coventry Dunfermline Plymouth Hamilton St. Johnstone Swansea Barnsley Burnley Doncaster Blackpool Partick Thistle Cliftonville Rhyl UK League 2 Carlisle Queen of Sth Morton Huddersfield Livingston Luton Colchester Scunthorpe Millwall Brighton Tranmere Southend Oldham Walsall Crewe Airdrie Utd Swindon Clyde Gilingham Peterborough MK Dons Yeovil Portadown Bangor City Blue Square Prem Bristol Rovers Bradford Northampton Hartlepool Rotherham Ross County Port Vale Stirling Leyton Orient Bournemouth Brentford Stockport Raith Wycombe Cheltenham Chesterfield Rochdale Notss Co Lincoln Darlington Wrexham Grimsby Distillery Welshpool Blue Square South Brechin Shrewsbury Peterhead Oxford Mansfield Barnet East Fife Cambridge Ayr Berwick Cowdenbeath York Rushden Stevenage Dumbarton Annan Elgin Ebbsfleet Woking Stenhousemuir Grays Weymouth Ballymena Utd Aberystwyth Blue Square North Alloa Bury Queens Park Hereford Chester Nacckesfiekd Accrington Exeter Morecombe Dag & red Torquay Stranraer Aldershot Forfar Kidderminster Burton Forest Green East Stirlingshire Albion Rovers Crawley Northwich Histon Dungannon Carmarthen Ispwich Montrose Altrincham Linlithgow Rose Nuneaton Tayport Lewes Coleraine* Havant & W Salisbury Glenavon Lochee Utd Fraserburgh Arthurlie Chelmsford Bangor* Harrogate Institute* Newtown** Maidenhead Fleetwood Bath Wick Academy Northern Kettering Bathgate Thistle Southport Carnoustie Eastbourne Boro Crusaders* Girvan Spartans Lossiemouth Cutler Preston Athletic Rothes Whitburn Team Bath Bellshill Farsley Beith Eastleigh Hayes & Yeading Comnock Gateshead Connah's Quay** Southern Barrow Stafford Bonnyrigg Rose Ath Pollok Clydebank AFC Telford Drolsden Cove Rangers Newry* Buckie Thistle AFC Wimbledon Ketty Hearts Camelon Boston Utd Port Talbot** Stalybridge Auchinleck Bromley Hampton & Richmond Workington Fort William Glenafton The astericks are just my check to make sure every division had a team from N. Ireland and Wales. Hope you like the looks of them. I sorted completely by Reputation and also eg. Leeds was not allowed above their current level. From there I just worked down the list making sure every division had 2 Scottish Teams, 1 Northern Irish Team & 1 Welsh Team (This was based on population figures from last census) And hence here is what we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan8289 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 The main problem i see is that the Welsh and Northern Irish teams, aswell as a few Scottish teams, cannot compete at the same level so alot of the English clubs. If you based this on reputation, one of the highest reputations in Wales is TNS, and when you compare to the English league, it fit perfectly in the Blue Square Premier. I made a database (which I never released, as it was just a personal observation) of changing clubs to there own nations, rather than separate reasons why some clubs are in different Football Associations. I put Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham, Newport Country, Methyr Tydfil and Cowlyn Bay, in the Welsh leagues. TNS and Berwick in England (both with reputations similar to Blue Square Premier clubs)(TNS were put in the English leagues because they currently play in an English town.). I only did this as an experiment as I was interested on how these changes can affect football. after playing a holiday season of this set up results being: - Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham, dominating the Welsh league and cups, with Cardiff getting a 100% win ratio for the league. - TNS were a steady mid-table Blue Square Premier team - Berwick struggled against relegation from the Blue Square Premier - The Welsh coefficients improved massively, and ended up in the 4th season having 2 Welsh teams in the UEFA Champions League as Cardiff were constantly qualifying in the group stages even from the preliminary rounds. But i'm sure this would balance out once the lack of money from TV revenue and prizes affect on what players will be at the top Welsh clubs. - The Championship minus Cardiff and Swansea, made no difference considering Leeds and Leicester are strong enough to play in that league. This was a very interesting database to look at, this helps the Welsh league, but football is a business, therefore you wouldn't see the likes of Cardiff or Swansea, maybe the other Welsh clubs, in the Welsh League. Its about the money, and that is one of the reasons why they refused to play in the Welsh League. I like that fact that you have placed at least 1 or 2 sides from Northern Ireland and Wales in the top divisions, but when the game is played, then the clubs are going to be dropping down the leagues until some balance has been restored, which could take a quite a few seasons. I feel if the balance of the league was placed from the start then it wouldn't look like an embarrassment for the Welsh or Northern Irish clubs. On the other hand, if you were to balance this out from the start, then you are unlikely to see many Welsh or Northern Irish teams, I think the Scottish teams do start a chance within the English football pyramid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted December 31, 2008 Author Share Posted December 31, 2008 Scottish teams actually dominate about 4th level down. But yeah I realise these teams are going to drop down the leagues, but I thought it gives someone a chance to play as a Welsh team in the higher levels and it could be interesting to see how many years it is before they find their spot. I shall be doing the same when I process the USSR League and other leagues where I am combining the nations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 What could be a good idea is set it all up and run it on holiday mode for say 5 years. By that time the promotions and relegations might have found a natural level. You could then upload the save game and those people interested could take it from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightedManager Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Another thought, why not combine Rep. Ireland and N.Ireland, rather than adding N.Ireland to the UK. Please Do NOT do that. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, and should be included as such in any UK league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Cyprus should not be divided! No way! Scandinavia should also have a league of their own. Spliting Spain will cause a mess. (UEFA co-efficients, international cups etc) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmacko Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Maybe in the UK league you should actually treat Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham as Welsh teams so that Cardiff would be in the Premier League, Swansea in the Championship etc. This might even it out a bit more as these teams have the potential to actually survive in they divisions. Another thing you could do is maybe boost the fianaces of the N. Irish and Welsh teams slighty so they could get better players from the off and have a tiny bit more chance in the divisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fairbairn Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 In real life Berwick would probably not struggle against relegation from the Conference, but would be dead cert for the relegation zone. They survive the Conference North no problem IMO, but the Conference would just be too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Hey Yuko and LLR, Cyprus is already divided, the northern turkish side has its own league. So what is the actual proposal, dividing Greek Cyprus? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted December 31, 2008 Author Share Posted December 31, 2008 In FM Erol? If thats the case that is something I didn't know...I was proposing editing them into their own Nationality so they are no longer joined at all even in internationals are seperate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I dont know about any Turks playing in Greek Cyprus, it is very much separated. There probably are some players who are from turkish descent but it is very hard to separate them, because their names are greekified most of the time. For the German divide you could use Wikipedia and see which teams played in the DDR and which ones played in the BRD. With a map you could choose either to give every player from a club in of the former DDR the DDR pasport, or look up their place of birth and see if it is DDR or BRD and thus hand out pasports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 I will be doing the players based on City of birth, it will take a very very long time, but it is manageable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Can't you make the cities become part of that country and thus automatically the player would receive that nation's passport? Given also that Germany would no longer exist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmore2k1 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 As long as we're bringing back USSR, why not have circa 1900 British Empire. Add in Hong Kong, Ireland, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Nigeria, etc. With 10 leagues to work with, why not go all out and have some fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted January 3, 2009 Author Share Posted January 3, 2009 Ummm Yuko changing the City of birth does not change the nationality...I already moved all the Basque cities across and the people with these cities of birth are not of that nationality, mainly because nationality and city of birth in the database are completely independant. Well Will the main reason being that the UK by itself is 1200 odd clubs, the USSR is also 1200 odd clubs given that the biggest country currently in the game is Spain with 900 odd clubs this will not work. I am going to basicvally put the 900 highest rep USSR clubs into Spain, the 640 odd highest rep UK teams into England and then work from there redistrubuting the other clubs around the world. Chances are that the only actual playable leagues on this database will be the ones I have created by the time I make it work. But it should work at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeLikeFM Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 can we please have a united ireland and if you dont think that scottish ,N.I and welsh clubs will do anything in england well what about a celtic league like in rugby i think it works well in rugby and would be interesting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fairbairn Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 LLR, you do know that unplayable divisions do not have a maximum number of teams, right? This means that any division that is not playable has to have at least, say you're talking the Northern Premier, 22 teams, but it can have 24 or even 240 teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted January 3, 2009 Author Share Posted January 3, 2009 I did not know that Dave, but that will actually help a lot, but it must have a minimum correct? Which means that currently any league that has a set up in it needs to have at least that many teams, meaning with me just swapping teams as I am now I need to keep a balance of teams in coutnries, which I have no problem with, just means some of the leagues around the world will be a little bit messed up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I think you need to prop the attendances of the Welsh/N. Irish clubs up a little in the higher divisions, as realistically in that situation they would get much higher crowds, although I think with their reputations in those leagues the game automatically hits their highest possible attendance or thereabouts. The same will probably need to be done in the USSR, and perhaps a downwards revision of attendances for certain teams in a regionalised Spain, but an increase for others as travelling times would decrease and local derbies increase. On the subject of which, if Berwick were to play in the BSN, I wouldn't relish the trip there from Solihull, Redditch or King's Lynn on a tuesday night! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 I will be having a fiddle around with it all in the end anyway that up there is basically a draft set-up and will be changed as I work on it As for attendances etc they will probably stay set at the same as clubs are being sorted by reputation if they need/want a bigger crowd then they will need to improve up the leagues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 The idea of a UK nation and NT makes me drool I love playing in the English football leagues (it's pretty much the only country I play in), and it'd be so much fun seeing other clubs in there. I like your list, with the only exception of Transylvannia as it sounds like something out of a bad horror movie But i would try your DB just for the UK home nations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I was thinking with the Asian countries spliting China up into provinces and having each one with its own leagues following a shift in World Power as Europe comes together and China falls apart I think the easiest (and most likely scenario) to do this is to break it up into north and south, like the Korea's. The culture between Northern China and Southern China is a bit different, with different foods, language(accents), weather, etc. Beijing, Shanghai, Liaoning, Dalian etc would be in the north, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Fujian in the south. Much easier than multiple 'provinces' as this is just FM, not a Total War / Three Kingdoms game! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fairbairn Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Robot, nevermind Berwick, imagine Elgin, Peterhead? I made the Peterhead trip one time from Berwick and that was bad enough. All err... 12 of us were near enough dead by the time we got back and that was a Saturday. Makes me glad we're in a Scottish division. Except for Blyth and Gateshead we'd probably have 4 away fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Here's some ideas for other nations you could've had. You could have Cornwall splitting from England, they were originally independant at one point in their history and play Trinidad & Tobago sometimes. Also, the Isle of Man isn't part of the UK. Gibraltar isn't part of Spain and just about failed to get into UEFA. Yap has its own national team where the captain trialled for Hull in the summer. You could also look at the NF-Board on Wikipedia, they've got a fair few nations you could use. P.S. Vatican has the Clericus Cup. You could check the teams on Wikipedia as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 Ok just need a little bit of advice...If a league is not showing up when I load the database, it shows no errors what possible problems could it have? I found a couple of clubs with double-ups in position in the leagues, so I have swapped them, but it still doesn't work. It is the Spanish leagues with all the USSR clubs in it, but it does seem to want to work Anyone got any other tips, I am about to go through the lower leagues to check there are no position double ups there as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
curswine Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Usually when this occurs it is something to do with one of the leagues not having the same amount of teams as the original league which has been overwritten, so for example La Liga must have exactly 20 teams no more or less and this is the same with every league which is playable, I don't think it is a problem with the unplayable ones but I could be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 I found the problem, on top of the positions being wrong, there was a team in 2DB who had no nation selected, change that and problem disappears. So on an update here you can Check out USSR and others Here So far I have USSR, Basque, East & West Germany working and running on holiday... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
curswine Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Post up a few screenshots, I'd be quite interested to see them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 The post above yours has the playable leagues created so far Also a discussion thread is here in the Challenges Forum. And if anyone asks for particular Screenshots I can get them for them at anytime so long as I have a game with that shot available... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
curswine Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Yeah I was actually interested in seeing some screenshots of how the leagues actually panned out over the 5 years you've been testing them, seeing the league winners/promotions/cup winners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I'm disappointed my leagues weren't included, but then again I didn't notice the discussion thread in the CSE forum so it's my fault. The Lapland (aka Sapmi) idea was quite good, and another idea for someone (not myself, I can't be bothered) to do is an entirely NF-Board database, with the CENF etc continental associations thrown in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 Yeah I was actually interested in seeing some screenshots of how the leagues actually panned out over the 5 years you've been testing them, seeing the league winners/promotions/cup winners. Ok after I get back from going out this afternoon I will post some League Screenshots from the Holiday game I have running right now. It should be 5 years in by the time I get home. I'm disappointed my leagues weren't included, but then again I didn't notice the discussion thread in the CSE forum so it's my fault. The Lapland (aka Sapmi) idea was quite good, and another idea for someone (not myself, I can't be bothered) to do is an entirely NF-Board database, with the CENF etc continental associations thrown in. I still have not completed the league list it is still building I have tried to copy all ideas from here over to there as well. But generally it has come down to, if someone will research the clubs for me, I will sort out the Leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Well, in terms of the Vatican, you could've had a look at Wikipedia a few months ago. They had detailed pages about each of the Clericus Cup (similar to MLS you may want to know) teams on there, but they were all deleted and it's only team names and references to Father Ted on there now. Gibraltar has info on Wikipedia and the Falklands are getting their own league website soon (apparently). Cornwall, you could look on the Data Issues forum for stuff, or start a thread looking for info on the teams. I think Truro City has a bit of info in it, but that's FM08 and it wasn't an awful lot anyway, just some bloke who scored over 100 goals in a season iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted January 10, 2009 Author Share Posted January 10, 2009 I believe someone has tried to find info on the Vatican, but basically it has come down to the fact that on top of everything else creating teams just makes it so much extra work, so we are just going to play with the teams that are actually already in the data base as for the rest if someone gets me a list of clubs then I can look into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Well I can get the Vatican clubs if you want them, names at least, and you could just rely on regens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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